MH17 crash site: Freelance journalist Filip Warwick reveals grim first views - Polidicks

[url]http://www.smh.com.au/world/mh17-crash-site-freelance-journalist-filip-warwick-reveals-grim-first-views-20140719-zurxu.html[/url] [IMG]http://images.theage.com.au/2014/07/19/5608539/1405749367295.jpg-620x349.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]Walking around the crash site of the ill-fated MH17, freelance photojournalist Filip Warwick witnessed the lives of nearly 300 victims frozen in time. "I saw one or two passengers still strapped into their seats," he told Fairfax Media from Donetsk province, the epicentre of the pro-Russian movement and the region in which the Malaysia Airlines flight fell. "In terms of the area itself there are a number of checkpoints. Even to get here from Donetsk itself you have to go through six or seven checkpoints." [B]Warwick's arrival at the scene came in the first few hours before there was any security presence, and he believes he saw strong evidence that looting was already well underway. "I noticed that I hadn't come across a single wallet with money, or a mobile phone or a camera. They've all mysteriously gone missing."[/B] Among the shocks for Warwick was the almost complete lack of official presence or signs of investigation, noting: "The place hadn’t yet been roped off." When he arrived he said villagers, locals and journalists were walking around stepping on wings and over the wreckage. Speaking with Fairfax Media more than 24 hours after a surface-to-air-missile struck flight MH17, he noted the absence of organised disaster recovery procedures, such as a "grid". "The grid is to make sure you have nothing left uncovered. You would use a grid to make marks of the location and you would also mark the various pieces of evidence on the ground," he said. "So a body would be marked in a particular colour, personal items given a particular colour and plane parts a particular colour. This is standard procedure for any crime scene and this is missing as we speak." Dr Geoff Dell, an air crash investigation expert from Central Queensland University, also emphasised the importance of proper investigation protocols such as the setting up of a grid when he spoke with Fairfax Media. Warwick said he believed the absence of such protocols suggested that those on the ground lacked "the know-how" in dealing with such circumstances. He reported that a group of 10 separatist soldiers were situated slightly off from the crash site, but "they weren't interacting with anyone and there wasn't anyone interacting with them. "The only people you could talk to are the emergency services, who are looking for bodies and they won't comment," he said. Local miners, firemen, fathers and sons have all been seen in the crash area, where bodies are being marked by sticks with white ribbons. [B]The bodies are reportedly "starting to decompose in the fields", yet Warwick said there was no indication as to when a recovery operation for the victims would take place.[/B] [/QUOTE] so... people have looted everything and the the bodies are just being left to rot.

Well, one of my professors did say that Malaysia liked to live to slow life over the fast one. Guess that applies to work and international incidents too. Actually, I'm not sure if Malaysia has the legal standing to go in there and get the bodies. I guess it's up to Ukraine or some mediating group or some shit then.

[QUOTE=Doneeh;45437493]Well, one of my professors did say that Malaysia liked to live to slow life over the fast one. Guess that applies to work and international incidents too.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/malaysia-access-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh17-crash-site-article-1.1872880[/url] Malaysians are basically begging to get to the crash-site, you inconsiderate spanner

Are there seriously [U]no[/U] survivors of the crash? Not even one? Shit that's depressing.

[QUOTE=ironman17;45437553]Are there seriously [U]no[/U] survivors of the crash? Not even one? Shit that's depressing.[/QUOTE] Well they got hit by a missile and basically dived into the ground. It'd be a miracle if anyone survived.

[QUOTE=ironman17;45437553]Are there seriously [U]no[/U] survivors of the crash? Not even one? Shit that's depressing.[/QUOTE] The plane exploded in mid air. No one could survive that ninja'd

[QUOTE=booster;45437570]Well they got hit by a missile and basically dived into the ground. It'd be a miracle if anyone survived.[/QUOTE] Didn't so much dive into the ground as fragment over a 50km area Same end result though

I can't even image what kind of a prick you have to be too take dead peoples money and wallets

[QUOTE=demotech;45437752]I can't even image what kind of a prick you have to be too take dead peoples money and wallets[/QUOTE] Being part of the same group that shoots down planes without checking if it is an enemy combatant or a civilian aircraft is my guess.

[QUOTE=demotech;45437752]I can't even image what kind of a prick you have to be too take dead peoples money and wallets[/QUOTE] You'd have to understand them. Eastern Ukraine is a shithole, it's probably one of the poorest places in Europe. Looting is a dick move, but they have to feed their families somehow, especially since there's a war going on

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;45437903]You'd have to understand them. Eastern Ukraine is a shithole, it's probably one of the poorest places in Europe. Looting is a dick move, but they have to feed their families somehow, especially since there's a war going on[/QUOTE] Still though, no matter how desperate you are, how could you loot a decaying body of a person that died and not think "I'm going to hell for this".

[QUOTE=Duskin;45437988]Still though, no matter how desperate you are, how could you loot a decaying body of a person that died and not think "I'm going to hell for this".[/QUOTE] [thumb]http://i.imgur.com/ORV6L.jpg[/thumb]

[QUOTE=Duskin;45437988]Still though, no matter how desperate you are, how could you loot a decaying body of a person that died and not think "I'm going to hell for this".[/QUOTE] Because they're not going to hell? lmao

Doesn't matter how poor you are. Stealing money, phones and cameras from adults and even children who died in a plane crash is pretty fucking low.

[QUOTE=Holt!;45438013]Doesn't matter how poor you are. Stealing money, phones and cameras from adults and even children who died in a plane crash is pretty fucking low.[/QUOTE] what if its not on a body

[QUOTE=Duskin;45437988]Still though, no matter how desperate you are, how could you loot a decaying body of a person that died and not think "I'm going to hell for this".[/QUOTE] I have the feeling you don't have a good idea about what actual desperation is.

[QUOTE=Gentry;45438020]what if its not on a body[/QUOTE] Then I don't blame them

[QUOTE=Duskin;45437988]Still though, no matter how desperate you are, how could you loot a decaying body of a person that died and not think "I'm going to hell for this".[/QUOTE] better to be alive and going to hell than starve to death

[QUOTE=Holt!;45438107]Then it's fair game[/QUOTE] I'm almost certain all the loot at this crash site won't physically be attached to a corpse.

[QUOTE=Gentry;45438122]I'm almost certain all the loot at this crash site won't physically be attached to a corpse.[/QUOTE] I'm talking about going through people's pockets and jackets.

[QUOTE=Holt!;45438144]I'm talking about going through people's pockets and jackets.[/QUOTE] It seems rather arbitrary considering everything.

[QUOTE=Gentry;45438187]It seems rather arbitrary considering everything.[/QUOTE] True that, since you're still looting the possessions of the dead.

[QUOTE=Holt!;45438013]Doesn't matter how poor you are. Stealing money, phones and cameras from adults and even children who died in a plane crash is pretty fucking low.[/QUOTE] if you're in a situation in which stealing from a bunch of dead bodies is an actual action you can take then you probably already have a justification for it. it might be pretty low but it's a pretty low situation [editline]19th July[/editline] i mean thinking of all the scenarios in which you're likely to find a lot of dead guys, you probably have your reasons to loot them. reasons like being both poor [I]and[/I] in the midst of a civil war brutal enough to involve shooting down entirely unrelated civilian airliners

War is going on and all the spoiled kids are going " DEI BE STEELING WALLITS AND PHONS!!!!" I think the possessions of the dead are one of the last things on the list you should actually be looking at and voicing your opinion about when you're looking at Ukraine.

Why is everyone assuming that the looters are trying to feed their families or whatever There are plenty of well off people who do bad things. People are just dicks

[QUOTE=pkhzor;45438350]War is going on and all the spoiled kids are going " DEI BE STEELING WALLITS AND PHONS!!!!" I think the possessions of the dead are one of the last things on the list you should actually be looking at and voicing your opinion about when you're looking at Ukraine.[/QUOTE] wallets most likely have forms of ID in them can help identify dead bodies you fucking idiot

[QUOTE=pkhzor;45438350]War is going on and all the spoiled kids are going " DEI BE STEELING WALLITS AND PHONS!!!!" I think the possessions of the dead are one of the last things on the list you should actually be looking at and voicing your opinion about when you're looking at Ukraine.[/QUOTE] Wallets and phones can be used to identify the dead, seeing as they've most likely been burnt beyond recognition during the explosion and subsequent crash. Because the wallets and phones can be stolen, these people may never be truly identified, and will either be buried in an unmarked grave, or a mass grave.

Like, why do a huge number of people living in a first world country with access to some of the finest education in the world riot over a sports game, loot stores, and set fire to other people's possessions? Because others are doing it, and because they can Jingoists tend to be devoid of any moral values in the first place anyway

[quote]max seddon @maxseddon · 2h One of the rebels casually threatens to kneecap reporters every five minutes. [b]Another is wearing a beekeeping suit and reeks of alcohol.[/b][/quote] [img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/398px-The_Pain.jpg[/img]

Also the rebels/looters may have taken the Black Box. That's extremely distressing.