Google Is Working on a Wireless Home Internet Service
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[url]http://finance.yahoo.com/news/google-working-wireless-home-internet-141732200.html[/url]
[quote]In 2011, Google jumped into the broadband space by launching Google Fiber, providing high-speed Internet and cable services in some U.S. cities. The reasonably priced, super-fast service has proved to be incredibly popular in the few cities where it’s available, thanks at least partly because Fiber offers a much-welcome alternative to Comcast, Time Warner Cable, and other despised providers.
Now Google has announced even grander plans: It wants to beam wireless broadband directly into homes all over America.
While Google hasn’t yet figured out how to make the technology work, a solution would represent a big boon to the broadband industry, Re/code reported. It would solve what’s called the “last mile problem,” which is typically addressed by the slow, expensive process of stringing a web of wires directly into homes.[/quote]
Aside from the awesome technological achievement it would be, this would [I]finally[/I] allow Google to be a nationwide competitor to the current ISP giants (who are twats). I would give my left nut to be rid of Charter Communications for the rest of my life. I am [I]praying[/I] for the day that Google comes to save me from their unscrupulous bullshit. Naturally, these companies will try to block it legislatively through political lobbying, because somehow cutting edge competitors are a threat to "healthy competition."
it will be interesting to see how they figure out the technical side of things
Imagine if they can put this onto a robot.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50140954]I am [I]praying[/I] for the day that Google comes to save me from their unscrupulous bullshit. Naturally, these companies will try to block it legislatively through political lobbying, because somehow cutting edge competitors are a threat to "healthy competition."[/QUOTE]
Google being a second or third provider is only a stopgap solution, places should be investing in the internet as the infrastructure it is. Municipal fiber is truly the way forward.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;50141020]Google being a second or third provider is only a stopgap solution, places should be investing in the internet as the infrastructure it is. Municipal fiber is truly the way forward.[/QUOTE]
yes but if Google could match shite local wire speeds wirelessly and for less money, cable would have to actually upgrade our infrastructure to compete
[QUOTE=bitches;50141033]yes but if Google could match shite local wire speeds wirelessly and for less money, cable would have to actually upgrade our infrastructure to compete[/QUOTE]
This is actually already happening. While I do not have Google Fiber yet, the fact that Google has expressed interest in my area led to Time Warner Cable upgrading our local infrastructure by 6x the internet speed with no increase in price. This crazy deal is also being followed by Cox who has already finished implemented gigabit internet.
When I went to research why Time Warner was increasing our speeds by 6x without increasing the price out of the courtesy of their heart (which their press release/blog makes it appears), I discovered that Time Warner is only doing this in select-cities that Google Fiber has already either begun developing in or plan to develop-in in the future. This was also when I discovered that Google listed my city as a 'potential' Fiber candidate.
Every one of the cities below is getting amazing treatment from Time Warner and AT&T
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/1rhFfLi.png[/IMG]
What makes this so outrageous is that they could have done it any time, but instead only choose to "flip the switch" the moment Google eyes the city. Fuck any other city that Google hasn't eyed though. They are not getting "Time Warner's generosity"
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[URL="http://bgr.com/2015/04/13/time-warner-cable-vs-google-fiber/"]Time Warner Cable can dramatically boost your Internet speed at no cost… but only if Google Fiber’s is looking at your city[/URL]
[quote]All the same, there’s something about this that’s actually grating. It seems that TWC can very quickly boost its Internet speeds when it faces actual competition. When it doesn’t face such competition, it proudly drags its feet. Just think about how much better U.S. wireline Internet service would be if we had this kind of competition in every market.[/quote]
Please make it some obscure band. Don't need to clusterfuck everything more than it is.
[QUOTE=bitches;50141033]yes but if Google could match shite local wire speeds wirelessly and for less money, cable would have to actually upgrade our infrastructure to compete[/QUOTE]
Wireless isn't going to be beating wired any time soon in bandwidth, latency, or reliability.
The future is municipally owned fiber.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;50141321]Wireless isn't going to be beating wired any time soon in bandwidth, latency, or reliability.
The future is municipally owned fiber.[/QUOTE]
I mean I can push 50/50+ over a reasonably long distance using sub $200 radios in a WDS bridge with 60ms or less ping to speed test servers. That's better than most people have.
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But muni fiber really is the best case scenario. My parents old city has it and its capless 30/30 for $30, 60/60 for $60, or 1000/1000 for $100.
Why did they have to announce this at such an early stage?
Now not only do I have to deal with a Comcast monopoly, but now I get the daily tease of "Google Internet maybe coming" to go with it.
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But muni fiber really is the best case scenario. My parents old city has it and its capless 30/30 for $30, 60/60 for $60, or 1000/1000 for $100.[/QUOTE]
To be honest Chicago could really use google to come in. But the problems behind its a lot of new infrastructure. Its also not a really cheap city to get permits out of, and the suburbs are equally greedy.
Kansas City won because there was a lot of dark fiber that the power company put out. So a lot of infrastructure was just sitting dark. $70 for 1G FDX is pretty damn nice. You most of your pipe, and very nice pings. They also forced all the other ISPs to establish faster speeds to stay relevant.
[QUOTE=1/4 Life;50141438]Why did they have to announce this at such an early stage?
Now not only do I have to deal with a Comcast monopoly, but now I get the daily tease of "Google Internet maybe coming" to go with it.[/QUOTE]
It's pretty bad in my area (SLC), Google announced the deal a year or so ago now, and nobody is hooked up yet.
It's very much a case of "Google Fiber came to Salt Lake City, and all I got was [URL="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CITU9SjUEAATEcO.jpg"]this lousy t-shirt[/URL]".
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[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;50141460]Kansas City won because there was a lot of dark fiber that the power company put out. So a lot of infrastructure was just sitting dark. $70 for 1G FDX is pretty damn nice. You most of your pipe, and very nice pings. They also forced all the other ISPs to establish faster speeds to stay relevant.[/QUOTE]
More or less same reason they did Provo, they bought their failed "iProvo" fiber network for [URL="https://xmission.com/blog/2013/04/18/the-1-fiber-optic-network"]$1[/URL].
well they were doing something similiar with loon but i guess loon is scrapped
Google should announce that he will come into all cities in America just to fuck with competition.
Maybe the best way to do it would be the same way that SpaceX is probably going to do it? A massive LEO satellite constellation.
I already get 105mbps down and 25mbps up via T-Mobile's LTE, all they need to do is secure some quality lines into some areas basically in the same exact way that Comcast, ect. already does with their Fiber networks with the local hub boxes you see around in neighborhoods and instead just jam a tower into it. Rural expansion would also be far cheaper to do since you won't have to run as much infrastructure.
This gets rid of the entire issue with installers and the independent contractor techs which are usually bottom barrel quality too. Installers would just have to scout around for a good signal and hook up the wireless router in that location at most.
[QUOTE=slayer3032;50142009]I already get 105mbps down and 25mbps up via T-Mobile's LTE, all they need to do is secure some quality lines into some areas basically in the same exact way that Comcast, ect. already does with their Fiber networks with the local hub boxes you see around in neighborhoods and instead just jam a tower into it. Rural expansion would also be far cheaper to do since you won't have to run as much infrastructure.
This gets rid of the entire issue with installers and the independent contractor techs which are usually bottom barrel quality too. Installers would just have to scout around for a good signal and hook up the wireless router in that location at most.[/QUOTE]
Google should come to Australia so my internet stops being >15x slower than mobile internet in other countries that constantly complain about their internet being slow.
Google Fiber should come to Canada so Rogers, Bell and others stop being dicks
[QUOTE=slayer3032;50142009]I already get 105mbps down and 25mbps up via T-Mobile's LTE, all they need to do is secure some quality lines into some areas basically in the same exact way that Comcast, ect. already does with their Fiber networks with the local hub boxes you see around in neighborhoods and instead just jam a tower into it. Rural expansion would also be far cheaper to do since you won't have to run as much infrastructure.
This gets rid of the entire issue with installers and the independent contractor techs which are usually bottom barrel quality too. Installers would just have to scout around for a good signal and hook up the wireless router in that location at most.[/QUOTE]
Problem with LTE is that it will slow down significantly with more users.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;50141112]What makes this so outrageous is that they could have done it any time, but instead only choose to "flip the switch" the moment Google eyes the city. Fuck any other city that Google hasn't eyed though. They are not getting "Time Warner's generosity"
[editline]15th April 2016[/editline]
[URL="http://bgr.com/2015/04/13/time-warner-cable-vs-google-fiber/"]Time Warner Cable can dramatically boost your Internet speed at no cost… but only if Google Fiber’s is looking at your city[/URL][/QUOTE]
It's not surprising at all. It's business. There's no money to be made by upgrading infrastructure if there's no competition. Now that there is, they upgrade to keep their customers.
[QUOTE=Levelog;50141284]Please make it some obscure band. Don't need to clusterfuck everything more than it is.[/QUOTE]
Being Google, I assume they could buy up whatever licensed frequencies they want. If they use 5.8GHz or something, I would be surprised.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;50141463]It's pretty bad in my area (SLC), Google announced the deal a year or so ago now, and nobody is hooked up yet.
It's very much a case of "Google Fiber came to Salt Lake City, and all I got was [URL="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CITU9SjUEAATEcO.jpg"]this lousy t-shirt[/URL]".
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More or less same reason they did Provo, they bought their failed "iProvo" fiber network for [URL="https://xmission.com/blog/2013/04/18/the-1-fiber-optic-network"]$1[/URL].[/QUOTE]
Yes they are, believe me they're getting hooked up as we speak.
Switch isn't going to be thrown for at least another year.
Be thankful iprovo sold their infrastructure to them, cut down install time tremendously.
I've been working daily on this stuff in Atlanta.
This stuff takes time, considering every single property has to be surveyed, drawn, planned, priced, built, tested, and approved by Google. They have to splice fiber from box on the corner all the way to a brand new box on the house/building and then run it all the way into the living room or telecom closet.
I hope there is a way to do easy fiber to more rural areas in the future, I'm paying $100 for satellite internet with a shitty bitcap just because cable is literally a block away, and the cable companies apparently don't find it good enough to set up shop for just a few hundred feet.
[QUOTE=Phycosymo;50143590]I hope there is a way to do easy fiber to more rural areas in the future, I'm paying $100 for satellite internet with a shitty bitcap just because cable is literally a block away, and the cable companies apparently don't find it good enough to set up shop for just a few hundred feet.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, it's not that it isn't easy, its doable. It's just not fruitful. There's little profit that far out for the amount of work that has to be done.
[QUOTE=benjgvps;50142962]Being Google, I assume they could buy up whatever licensed frequencies they want. If they use 5.8GHz or something, I would be surprised.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but it's not like anyone gives a fuck now. We've got Wifi encroaching on GSM, LTE encroaching on 900mhz moto equipment, 2.4ghz is dead and 5ghz is next. Even our 18ghz and 24ghz is being effected.
[QUOTE=Levelog;50144402]Yeah but it's not like anyone gives a fuck now. We've got Wifi encroaching on GSM, LTE encroaching on 900mhz moto equipment, 2.4ghz is dead and 5ghz is next. Even our 18ghz and 24ghz is being effected.[/QUOTE]
SpaceX has been trying to get a licence to launch two test satellites that transmit on the Ku-band for ages, obviously someone cares.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;50143299]Yes they are, believe me they're getting hooked up as we speak.
Switch isn't going to be thrown for at least another year.
Be thankful iprovo sold their infrastructure to them, cut down install time tremendously.
I've been working daily on this stuff in Atlanta.
This stuff takes time, considering every single property has to be surveyed, drawn, planned, priced, built, tested, and approved by Google. They have to splice fiber from box on the corner all the way to a brand new box on the house/building and then run it all the way into the living room or telecom closet.[/QUOTE]
I've certainly seen Google doing work lower in the valley, but nobody aside from Comcast has been doing anything up higher in the avenues or above 13th east. I'm sure it'll eventually happen, but it's painfully slow, especially when Comcast is offering speeds that are nearing 1GiBit/s.
And I'm not at all thankful Google came in and bought up local infrastructure for a significant loss on the local government. All the arguments I could make are in the post I linked to.
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