• Where have we heard this argument before? FBI did not steal Megaupload evidence because it was digit
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Sauce: [url]http://torrentfreak.com/fbi-did-not-steal-megaupload-evidence-because-its-digital-120607/[/url] [quote]In New Zealand Dotcom’s legal team continues the battle over data that was seized from his home. Dotcom’s lawyer Mr. Akel argues that the FBI illegally copied data from his computers, to send it to the U.S. “The first [copies] were sent without the New Zealand Police having any say in it whatsoever,” he said quoted by Stuff. “If [they] went offshore without the consent of the attorney-general, it was an illegal act.” However, according to Crown’s lawyer, no harm was done because the evidence in question is “not physical” and therefore not covered by the relevant legislation. “[Information] may be the most valuable thing we have, but it is not scooped up by the act,” he said. “Nothing of the physical items have gone overseas and that was our undertaking.” A strange but interesting argument, since the entire case against Megaupload is built on evidence that’s not physical. Whether Judge Winkelmann will agree with this argument has yet to be seen.[/quote] So basically the FBI is using the EXACT same argument that shitty pirates use to justify illegal downloads to justify their warrantless, completely illegal theft of data from Megaupload. Pirate - "It's not theft because we made a copy, nothing physical was taken." Copyright Enforcement Squad kicks in door at 3am, pirate is never seen again. FBI - "We didn't steal the evidence, we made a copy, nothing physical was taken." Riotous applause from the American public, FBI hailed as defenders of freedom. Remember kids, it's okay for the law to break the law because they are the law!
As if that was the most rotten thing in the entire case. [editline]7th April 2013[/editline] Still classy.
[QUOTE=Winner;40191818]What the fuck do they think data is? Magic?[/QUOTE] My hard drive isn't just a portal to the magical world of stored data? My life is a lie.
So we can take data from FBI databases and it wouldn't be illegal?
[QUOTE=DeandreT;40191837]My hard drive isn't just a portal to the magical world of stored data? My life is a lie.[/QUOTE] There also aren't little digital people who joust in lightcycles and play gladitorial frisbee in your computer. I'm sorry.
[QUOTE=Novangel;40191845]So we can take data from FBI databases and it wouldn't be illegal?[/QUOTE] Yeah, they just set themselves a shitty precedent, and I really really hope someone steals some of their data and uses this defence then walks away with nothing happen to them.
[QUOTE=Novangel;40191845]So we can take data from FBI databases and it wouldn't be illegal?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;40191869]Yeah, they just set themselves a shitty precedent, and I really really hope someone steals some of their data and uses this defence then walks away with nothing happen to them.[/QUOTE] No, you don't get how the legal system works. If a citizen breaks the law, they get the book shoved so far up their ass they can recite laws by heart. That or thrown in one of the many for-profit prisons that offer better housing and healthcare than homeless people can get. If the government or law enforcement breaks the law, it's a-okay because the legal checks and balances we designed to stop them from doing just that are a hindrance to protecting freedom and fighting 'terrorism'. If they're lucky (or the NSA) they even get a law passed to make their act of breaking the law and disregarding the constitution legal.
I love how in those anti-piracy ads, the motto is "Piracy is STEALING" Yet, the FBI in this case, did the same thing, they COPIED, the evidence.
Pretty fucking ridiculous if they actually get away with this, although I wouldn't be surprised if they did.
Going directly opposite to how every piracy law works A+ policing
[QUOTE=Kuro.;40191857]There also aren't little digital people who joust in lightcycles and play gladitorial frisbee in your computer. I'm sorry.[/QUOTE] as far as you know... [editline]7th April 2013[/editline] seriously though fuck this. this is hideous.
[QUOTE=blerb;40191927]Pretty fucking ridiculous if they actually get away with this, although I wouldn't be surprised if they did.[/QUOTE] I would be surprised if they didn't
Where have we heard this argument before? I dunno Op, how about in the last thread posted about this, last year? [B]June 7, 2012 [/B][url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1189036[/url]
This is sad
It'd be comical if this judgement was accepted, and the FBI's rationale for taking data from MegaUpload is used in a pirate's argument as a previously set precedent. It could also elevate to the Supreme Court, if two different court systems have conflicting judgements on the issue.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;40191869]Yeah, they just set themselves a shitty precedent, and I really really hope someone steals some of their data and uses this defence then walks away with nothing happen to them.[/QUOTE] I'll call this one the FBI defence
[QUOTE=Winner;40191818]What the fuck do they think data is? Magic?[/QUOTE] Considering the intelligence agencies are probably a bunch of electronic old men, they probably do think that as they go back to their Amish hovels and sit down to a plate of boiled hay. Also, the hypocrisy is DISGUSTING.
[QUOTE=Kuro.;40191880]No, you don't get how the legal system works. If a citizen breaks the law, they get the book shoved so far up their ass they can recite laws by heart. That or thrown in one of the many for-profit prisons that offer better housing and healthcare than homeless people can get. If the government or law enforcement breaks the law, it's a-okay because the legal checks and balances we designed to stop them from doing just that are a hindrance to protecting freedom and fighting 'terrorism'. If they're lucky (or the NSA) they even get a law passed to make their act of breaking the law and disregarding the constitution legal.[/QUOTE] Only if you live in a shithole or the USA in a proper Rechtsstaat, the law defends the citizen, you know.
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