Dad visits kid’s school, doesn’t hear ‘liberty’ in Pledge of Allegiance, threatens he has “spilled b
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[quote]I’m not certain that liberty means what this father of a student thinks it does. In reaction to his protest of how kids were saying the Pledge of Allegiance a County Sheriff deputy had to be stationed at Mill Creek Elementary School near Geneva, Illinois. Colin McGroarty didn’t hear the word ‘liberty’ clear enough, so he sent what the school deemed as threatening emails.
The father stated that he is not a threat to the kids and that,”America, God and children are what is important to me.” So, after he [I]wasn’t[/I]threatening the kids, he spoke in front of them then told them to go home and ask their parents about Hitler – which should scare the crap out of their parents.
The Daily Herald [URL="http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20130111/news/701119803/"][B]reports:[/B][/URL]
Wednesday evening, they said, the parent emailed the school board, administrators and some Mill Creek school parents, and posted a message on social media, charging that the school did not recite the Pledge of Allegiance correctly, leaving out the word “liberty.”He said Wednesday was the first time he was there to hear the kindergartners say the Pledge of Allegiance.
He thought he heard the word “liberty” removed. But more importantly, he said, was that the pledge was immediately followed by students’ recitation of the school creed. In it, students are asked to treat others with respect, follow school and classroom rules and “to try their best.” He said he was upset they pledged this while still holding their hands over their hearts and facing the U.S. flag.
There should be a break between the pledges, he said, and students should not be facing the flag. He called it “conditioning a child” to blindly obey authority without knowing what is in the rules they are promising to obey. “In the beginning of the Hitler Youth movement, people made similar promises,” McGroarty said.
So then McGroarty tried to speak with the principal but he could not get in, so he returned to the library, but then asked a librarian to call the principal. The librarian refused, so he said he told the children: “Children, do not blindly follow to swear allegiance and to follow rules without knowing what they are,” and that’s when he told the children to ask their parents about Nazis. (It’s for “liberty” so don’t let this disturb you.)
McGroarty said the district is reacting out of fear in light of the recent school shootings in Connecticut. But he says he is “hypersensitive” to the safety of children, due to his own background (on his [URL="https://www.facebook.com/cmmcgroarty"]Facebook[/URL] page, he says he was abused as a child.) “For anybody to do that kind of stuff (shooting) to kids just tears me to the bone,” he said.
On his Facebook page [URL="https://www.facebook.com/cmmcgroarty"][B]it reads:[/B][/URL]
“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.”
On spilling blood:
[B]When he emailed school officials that he had “spilled blood before” and would do so again to defend freedom,[/B]McGroarty said, he was not threatening violence; he was speaking as a military veteran who had sworn to protect the U.S. and defend its Constitution. Veterans, he said, will understand that.
(my bold)
Mr. Man has been banned from school premises. Golly, I can’t imagine why. I thought the Republican and libertarian mindset believed that schools were indoctrinating America’s children. It seems to me that if he did not hear a word correctly during the Pledge, there are far better ways to go about it, like, oh, I don’t know….asking if anyone else heard it correctly first. Or, take your kid out and homeschool ‘em. Yeah, that’s the ticket. Being on lockdown with Dad 24/7 would be a great childhood.
Except for this:
He then took his children home with him to Rockford. (Their mother has primary custody, but they were supposed to stay with him that night, McGroarty said.) The mother has since obtained an order of protection against McGroarty, and the children were returned to her.
I’m certain it was an oversight on the school’s part or he can’t hear worth a fuck unless…the kids are all in it too. Those sneaky kids!
In all sincerity, I hope the father gets the help he needs. Sooner, rather than later.[/quote]
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THEY'RE STEALIN' AH LIBERTY
DAMN OBONGO AND HIS NAZI YOUTHS
If Obama pressed the button which fixes the economy I would forgive him.
Why do people get so offended over trivial things like come the fuck on calm down.
[QUOTE=Eluveitie;39214327]Why do people get so offended over trivial things like come the fuck on calm down.[/QUOTE]I've always viewed Americans as being over dramatic to everything. Heck, look at their presidential election campaigns.
[QUOTE=Eluveitie;39214327]Why do people get so offended over trivial things like come the fuck on calm down.[/QUOTE]
Because FREEDOM and LIBERTY and PEOPLE ARE STUPID.
This man is a true american hero
[quote]He called it “conditioning a child” to blindly obey authority without knowing what is in the rules they are promising to obey.[/quote]
This almost sounds like a reasonable point until you realise it's coming out of someone arguing for the pledge of allegiance in schools.
I don't get why schools still have the pledge of allegiance every morning. They basically have kids pledge loyalty to a flag every single day.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;39214437]I don't get why schools still have the pledge of allegiance every morning. They basically have kids pledge loyalty to a flag every single day.[/QUOTE]
Because 'murrica
"What the hell is wrong with this school? Where is the brainwashing?"
A true patriot god bles.
"Obama's a communist!"
Amorika is de bes contry in de worlld
"Ask your parents about Hitler. I don't know what relevance it has to this topic, but it would sure stir some shit."
[QUOTE=dogmachines;39214437]I don't get why schools still have the pledge of allegiance every morning. They basically have kids pledge loyalty to a flag every single day.[/QUOTE]
Not everywhere. Out of experience I can tell you right now that it is not done in many Californian schools. Out college outright removed the thing after some atheist complained. For the schools that do have it in any way it's completely optional.
So how does that pledge bullshit go anyway, you have to stand up and repeat the words and blah blah?
Anyway, that's fucking stupid and doesn't belong anywhere, it's like in some god damn dictatorship.
[QUOTE=galenmarek;39214859]Not everywhere. Out of experience I can tell you right now that it is not done in many Californian schools. Out college outright removed the thing after some atheist complained. For the schools that do have it in any way it's completely optional.[/QUOTE]
If you're atheist you might as well just not spoil it for everyone and just not say it because you're offended of the little tidbit that says god.
(that's what I do)
[QUOTE=Badballer;39214358]I've always viewed Americans as being over dramatic to everything. Heck, look at their presidential election campaigns.[/QUOTE]
Funny that you mention that actually, because at least in my opinion it seemed like after the debates and the election was over, most people didn't give half a fuck about what was going on.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;39214437]I don't get why schools still have the pledge of allegiance every morning. They basically have kids pledge loyalty to a flag every single day.[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;Q2BfqDUPL1I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2BfqDUPL1I[/video]
Very related.
TvTropes calls this one
Disproportionate Retribution.
Like guarding a speed limit sign on a rocket chopper.
people like them getting prominence is why people find americans a hilarious curiousity
This is the kind of guy who's already got an overly patriotic bloodlust going. He's just looking for a reason to satiate it.
[quote]Mr. Man has been banned from school premises. Golly, I can’t imagine why.[/quote]
[quote]Mr. Man has been banned from school premises.[/quote]
[quote]Mr. Man[/quote]
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[QUOTE=Disgruntled;39215552]This is the kind of guy who's already got an overly patriotic bloodlust going. He's just looking for a reason to satiate it.[/QUOTE]
Or he's just being an attention whore and an idiot craving for any attention he can get.
If I ran the school my response would be to just not have the pledge at all. I'm sure most of the kids are annoyed at having to say it every morning anyway. I know I was.
[QUOTE=Badballer;39214358]I've always viewed Americans as being over dramatic to everything. Heck, look at their presidential election campaigns.[/QUOTE]
Who the FUCK do you think you're calling dramatic!?!?? We aren't DRAMATIC, we EARNED the RIGHT to be PROUD, ANGRY, and PATRIOTIC FREEDOM LOVING AMERICANS. SO HELP ME GOD IF YOU WERE TEN FEET CLOSER TO MY HAND AND I COULD GET UP RIGHT NOW.
The Pledge is a brilliant way to find out who the spies and agitators are in our society. When a kid doesn't say the Pledge correctly we have caught another one, haha! Our enemies have no idea how clever we are!
What's with parents and threatening schools with violence lately?
[QUOTE=The First 11'er;39215229]If you're atheist you might as well just not spoil it for everyone and just not say it because you're offended of the little tidbit that says god.
(that's what I do)[/QUOTE]
I was able to do this later in my schooling, but when I was in elementary school they told me if I didn't say the pledge I'd be sent to the office and possibly suspended. :v:
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