US self-defence expert 'too violent' - banned from Britain - Polidicks

[B]An American expert in violent self-defence has been excluded from entering the UK by the Home Office. [/B]Tim Larkin tried to board a plane from his home in Las Vegas on Tuesday, but was given a UK Border Agency letter saying [B]"his presence here was not conducive to the public good". [/B]Mr Larkin, who was due to host seminars, told the BBC the move was a "gross over-reaction" The Home Office said he was subject to an exclusion order. A spokeswoman said: [B]"The home secretary will seek to exclude an individual if she considers that his or her presence in the UK is not conducive to the public good." Mr Larkin - who trained as a US Navy Seal - runs a company teaching combat to military and law enforcement clients in the United States. [/B]He teaches self-defence techniques, which according to his own website, are [B]designed to inflict "crippling pain" to an attacker, and claims violence is "your ultimate survival tool". [/B] [B]Mr Larkin had been invited to be a keynote speaker[/B] at The Martial Arts Show conference in Birmingham on 12 and 13 May, and to hold a seminar in Tottenham. Mr Larkin told BBC Radio 4 he believed he was being excluded for[B] criticising Britain's self-defence laws[/B]. "I am not advocating that the UK should be like the US. [B]What I'm advocating is that the UK should go back to laws it had, prior to 1920.[/B]" But Mr Larkin insisted there was "nothing outrageous" about his views, and his intention in visiting the UK, was not to incite "violence". "This is not being a vigilante. You are sitting in your house and you're being attacked, or you're attacked out in the street... There's an awful lot of martial arts and self defence being taught there right now that gives no instruction on [how to hurt] the human body. He continued: "[B]There are those rare, rare black swan occasions - like the riots - where law-abiding citizens are put in situations where they are facing grievous bodily harm and they hesitate because they are afraid of being prosecuted.[/B] That is a very real thing." Mr Larkin claims he has a lot of support in the UK, and he says he may appeal to MPs. A visit in 2009 to Slough, in Berkshire, where Mr Larkin held a class intended to teach how to[B] "maim and kill in self-defence"[/B], provoked widespread condemnation from the community. "The more you know about lethal applications to the body, the less violent you are. You don't go out seeking it, and you certainly wouldn't misuse the tool." [URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18002220[/URL]

Causing harm in the name of self defense should only go so far to stop the attacker. Once the threat is gone, causing harm is unneeded. This guy just seems blood-thirsty.

people confuse self defense with beating the shit out of someone, they believe once someone hits you or is about to attack you then you have a right to completely destroy them which is not the case in UK law here.

Self defense should only be to incapacitate your attacker, else it's not really self defense, just letting someone else start a brutal fight.

[quote]He teaches self-defence techniques, which according to his own website, are designed to inflict "crippling pain" to an attacker[/quote] Wouldn't be ten times easier just to pin the guy, knock him on his ass or taze him or something? The point of defence isn't to make sure the other guy's screaming like a little girl, it's to make sure people don't get hurt.

[QUOTE=Rents;35888943]Wouldn't be ten times easier just to pin the guy, knock him on his ass or taze him or something? The point of defence isn't to make sure the other guy's screaming like a little girl, it's to make sure people don't get hurt.[/QUOTE] I can flee while the guy is crying like a girl.

[QUOTE=Rents;35888943]Wouldn't be ten times easier just to pin the guy, knock him on his ass or taze him or something? The point of defence isn't to make sure the other guy's screaming like a little girl, it's to make sure people don't get hurt.[/QUOTE] Yeah but in the UK you can't get a taser, and those must be fun fights you have across the pond if getting pinned or knocked down stops the fight. Where I live you can get stabbed and fucking maimed, for wearing a blue or green t shirt in some parts of town.

[QUOTE=Rents;35888943]Wouldn't be ten times easier just to pin the guy, knock him on his ass or taze him or something? The point of defence isn't to make sure the other guy's screaming like a little girl, it's to make sure people don't get hurt.[/QUOTE] I think he meant if the person attacking you seemed like they wanted to inflict serious harm on you or kill you, I mean pinning and subduing someone without causing minimal injury should be your first thought. But you can't really tell what someones intentions are before you get stabbed or they beat you to death.

Also normally it will be more than one guy who attacks you if it is a random attack

Preemptively banning him from the UK seems a bit unnecessary, since all he was going to do is speak at a conference. If he starts beating up people on the street then they would just arrest him. I feel if he was fighting as a sport, the UK wouldn't have an issue.

I dont see when you would need to kill them, if you're in a situation that you can kill them then you can also incapcitate them. Killing someone in a hand to hand fight takes intent (unless they bash their head and mysteriously die, happens a lot) and thats murder, shooting a guy whos attacking you and they happen to die after getting shot is a different matter. Still its a bit weird that they wouldn't even let him in but people who preach about death to the countries soldiers are allowed is a bit baffling.

[QUOTE=borisvdb;35889321]Preemptively banning him from the UK seems a bit unnecessary, since all he was going to do is speak at a conference. If he starts beating up people on the street then they would just arrest him. [B]I feel if he was fighting as a sport, the UK wouldn't have an issue[/B].[/QUOTE] Well yeah, but he's not.

I imagine him to be like this: [img]http://plutoniumblond.files.wordpress.com/2006/09/rkd5.jpg[/img]

Something tells me this guy wasn't accepted by any of the self-defense communities here, so he's trying another country.

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;35888999]Yeah but in the UK you can't get a taser, and those must be fun fights you have across the pond if getting pinned or knocked down stops the fight. Where I live you can get stabbed and fucking maimed, for wearing a blue or green t shirt in some parts of town.[/QUOTE] I wanna say South London...

There's self defence moves and then there's combat moves. Edit: Kind of reminds me of a (purposefully) corny poster advertising (iirc) Pekiti-Tirsia Kali. "Are you prepared for post nuclear holocaust gang violence? Prepare while you still have time! Pekiti-Tirsia Kali." Edit2: Haha wow, he has that tidy but volatile psychopath look.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;35888773]Causing harm in the name of self defense should only go so far to stop the attacker. Once the threat is gone, causing harm is unneeded. This guy just seems blood-thirsty.[/QUOTE] Or make the attacker ever think twice about attacking him or anybody else again for fear of similar retaliation

Wait, was this the guy that was in those banner ads from a while back that said something to the effect of, "WARNING: Do not watch if you are afraid to defend you and your family!" and then showed like a tiny two second gif of him shaking somebody's hand or something?

He sounds a bit weird but hes right about people hesitating the defend themselves with fear of being prosecuted, it seems pretty likely here.

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;35888999]Yeah but in the UK you can't get a taser, and those must be fun fights you have across the pond if getting pinned or knocked down stops the fight. Where I live you can get stabbed and fucking maimed, for wearing a blue or green t shirt in some parts of town.[/QUOTE] Northern Ireland?

[QUOTE=slamex;35890363]I wanna say South London...[/QUOTE] Glasgow.

why are people saying it's easier to incapacitate someone than kill them it takes extra effort because you have to deliberately suppress the part of your mind saying "FUCKING KILL IT". that extra drain on your mental resources might cost you your life. EDIT it's outrageous that this guy isn't being let into the country. that should only be reserved for people that are actually going around inciting unprovoked violence, like that WBC guy they banned about a year ago.

[quote]"Disengaging the brain from the body is what we're trying to do – you have to stop the brain's ability to control the body." [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/how-this-man-taught-me-to-kill-in-four-moves-1790034.html[/url] [/quote] I know he means to use techniques to take control of someone else to get the upper hand, but based on earlier stuff I've read about him, it makes it sound like his goal in self defense is to rip the attacker's head off.

Britain over reacting to someone taking personal responsibility? Whaaaaaat?

-snip- Most of you won't be willing to read it, i gotta stop talking about my family online.

[QUOTE=Vasili;35888784]people confuse self defense with beating the shit out of someone, they believe once someone hits you or is about to attack you then you have a right to completely destroy them which is not the case in UK law here.[/QUOTE] Well, I believe if you're putting your hands on someone for no good reason you should get the shit kicked out of you. I find this whole situation dumb as hell.

Personally I find it disgusting that they ban people from ever coming into their country just because they don't like them.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;35891800]why are people saying it's easier to incapacitate someone than kill them it takes extra effort because you have to deliberately suppress the part of your mind saying "FUCKING KILL IT". that extra drain on your mental resources might cost you your life.[/QUOTE] There's also the fact that the most effective methods of stopping a man non-lethally use "crippling pain". Nothing takes the fight out of a man like a ruptured testicle and broken short ribs, and that's a two blow affair. Sure, the guy you did it to is now going to make the most sickening noise you've ever heard in your life, but you're fucking alive.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;35891800]why are people saying it's easier to incapacitate someone than kill them it takes extra effort because you have to deliberately suppress the part of your mind saying "FUCKING KILL IT". that extra drain on your mental resources might cost you your life. EDIT it's outrageous that this guy isn't being let into the country. that should only be reserved for people that are actually going around inciting unprovoked violence, like that WBC guy they banned about a year ago.[/QUOTE] Not everyone shares the mentality that the best first self defence conduct is "Fucking kill it" or "Fucking shoot it". If you get enraged in a fight you will become more predictable and forget all the fancy techniques you know. If an attacker has skill or experience in using his weapon or fists (or even worse, in countering wild attacks), then you might be just as fucked at that point as you would be with some extra "mental strain" caused by suppressing bloodthirst.

[QUOTE=Falchion;35897646]If you get enraged in a fight you will become more predictable and forget all the fancy techniques you know.[/QUOTE] Wait, you seriously think fighting is the shit you do in Street Fighter? "Fancy techniques" aren't a thing outside sports.