Juncker will find me 'bloody difficult woman' in Brexit talks, says May - Polidicks

[url]https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/02/may-juncker-will-find-me-bloody-difficult-woman-in-brexit-talks[/url] [quote]Despite May trumpeting her “bloody difficult” credentials as a negotiator, the EU has long insisted that the talks would be run by the European commission acting on behalf of 27 member states. ... In addition, while [b]May reportedly told Juncker at the dinner that she would be the UK’s chief Brexit negotiator[/b], senior Brussels officials regard the prospect as completely unrealistic. [b]The EU expects to hold intense week-long negotiating sessions in Brussels every month for the 15-month duration of the main Brexit negotiations – an impossible commitment for a sitting prime minister.[/b] ... The prime minister was said to tell the group that Britain was not legally obliged to pay a penny, infuriating Juncker, who said he was “10 times more sceptical” about getting a deal done by the end of the session. The commission president was said to have called the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, afterwards to say he believed May’s approach to the negotiations was from a “different galaxy”. A cabinet source told the Guardian that they believed the decision to reveal the details of the dinner, which was also attended by the Brexit secretary, David Davis, was a “miscalculation” that would outrage British voters.[/quote] its like a comedy show cept instead of being in the audience I'm one of the extras who has to go along with some loony slap stick plot

Fuck Off

It's so adorable that Britain still thinks it'll be able to leave the EU on its terms and its terms only.

The whole rational world thinks you're bloody difficult and wish you would go away instead of shitting in our well.

Bloody difficult indeed.

I wonder if she'll complain about the EU being 'bloody difficult' back.

Get this: the gal seriously wants to compete with 27 other countries.

Man, she a silly bitch. 1v27 is not a situation where you wanna be difficult.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;52180448]It's so adorable that Britain still thinks it'll be able to leave the EU on its terms and its terms only.[/QUOTE] Adorable? Try fucking insane. Our government has apparently become divorced from reality, and that is not a healthy state for any government to be in.

christ it's like she's peddling the shtick of being this tough and hardy british stiff-upper-lip stereotype so that the fucks back in blighty are thinking "that's OUR THERESA!!!!!" anyone who falls for this garbage should be dumped in the sea

[QUOTE=Craigewan;52180834]Adorable? Try fucking insane. Our government has apparently become divorced from reality, and that is not a healthy state for any government to be in.[/QUOTE] What if rather than being divorced from reality they are from a different reality, specifically the star wars canon. Actually as Junker eloquently observed our government is [quote]from a “different galaxy”.[/quote] I would posit that refugees who colluded with darth sideous made their way to our galaxy and formed a cantonment/dispora in west minster. Perhaps we are seeing spandrils of this alien culture manifest themselves. This would also explain May's being out of touch with Humans and her obsession with all things totalitarian (idolising the ideal of Imperial hegemony). This also explains her desire to surround herself with comical looking/acting creatures like Boris Johnson - it reminds her of the lifeforms encountered in her home galaxy.

I can't believe this evil bitch is running around freely fucking our lives and our country. How can people not see what's going on or not protest her? People are so wrapped up in stupid other things like protesting pronouns that these fucks in government are turning our country into a giant money printing slave camp that also happens to be sinking into the ocean. Fucks sake.

[QUOTE=orcywoo6;52181139]I can't believe this evil bitch is running around freely fucking our lives and our country. How can people not see what's going on or not protest her? People are so wrapped up in stupid other things like protesting pronouns that these fucks in government are turning our country into a giant money printing slave camp that also happens to be sinking into the ocean. Fucks sake.[/QUOTE] I was on a coach to the netherlands 2 years ago. I got chatting with some girl and she seemed pretty political with lots of opinions about how stuff should be done. I then asked her who she was going to vote for in the general election. She wasn't even registered, she didn't even know when it was. People have opinions about stuff but they don't act on them not sure if its through ignorance, laziness, apathy, cynicism or the frustrating belief that voting will change nothing. Kinda sad and annoying. I believe if students did vote politics would be different. I also believe that the government purposefully makes it awkward for students to vote or at least don't do enough to encourage students/young people to vote.

By "difficult" she mean's she's going to repeat "brexit means brexit" and "strong and stable" endlessly.

[QUOTE=The cheese;52181401]By "difficult" she mean's she's going to repeat "brexit means brexit" and "strong and stable" endlessly.[/QUOTE] Yeah, May really demonstrates that knowing what kind of person you have to be to get elected is not the same as actually being it. She tries really hard to get this idea out that she's this no-nonsense british bulldog who's going to churchill out a good deal for us, but in practice her personality shrinks away from the values that would make that person. She doesn't have charisma, she's not particularly witty and in every TV appearance I've seen of her she's either really awkwardly and uncomfortably trying to engage with real people, or she's spouting buzzwords at cameras with absolutely nothing to back them up. It's embarrassing really.

Strong and stable like a three-legged table. [editline]3rd May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Menien Goneld;52181854]she's not particularly witty and in every TV appearance I've seen of her she's either really awkwardly and uncomfortably trying to engage with real people, or she's spouting buzzwords at cameras with absolutely nothing to back them up. It's embarrassing really.[/QUOTE] I'd love to see her PMQ appearances with the rehearsed jeering and laughter from the Tories replaced with uncomfortable silence, you know, the reaction that kind of performance would get you in a room full of real people. Everything Ive seen from her has either been, as you have said, awkward and insincere- Or spiteful and disturbing. I'm surprised the Tories still think they are able to market her as anything other than the last possible choice for PM after everyone else fled from the mess they had created.

I see [URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/02/revealed-jean-claude-junckers-monster-plotting-punish-britain/#comments"]Martin 'monster' Selmayr[/URL] is up to his usual tricks, among Juncker being the ever awkward man in the room.

Seriously, what does the UK have to put on the negotiation table? How does she think she can twist the EU's arm?

[QUOTE=Ager O'Eggers;52182030]Seriously, what does the UK have to put on the negotiation table? How does she think she can twist the EU's arm?[/QUOTE] Exports such as ores, machinery, mineral fuels and oil, vehicles, pharmaceutical, electronics, chemicals, apparatus, aircraft / spacecraft, plastics etc. This isn't something the EU can shrug it shoulders at and vice versa, ultimately we [URL="https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/"]export more[/URL] to the EU than they sell to us. Spain and Italy are very much interested in free-trade with Europe as they have a big trade surplus with us, among Germany which exports around €50 billion to the UK (cars, chemicals, machinery). These countries are at risk if the UK simply copies tariffs the EU puts on the nation. The French government has strong investments in nuclear and transport here too, French farmers and wine makers likewise export a significant produce and are willing to lobby hard to keep that free-trade going. Dutch don't want their key hub port Rotterdam to suddenly have tariffs - wrecking maritime trade with the United Kingdom (this is where most of our exports go to). Poland is a odd one, as many of it's workers oversea's send a nice pretty pay-packet home; now coming under concern with Brexit. Estonia doesn't want to upset a nation that has recently posted troops to ease their nerves on Russia, and would like to see the UK still part of European Security. The myth that the UK is a shadow that has no influence and nothing to bargain with is an angry thought perpetrated on Facepunch. Both unions are more than aware all are interested in good relations with open trade, but the bottom line is Europe needs growth and neither side can afford to throw away huge volumes of trade over childish remarks such as "The EU is evil we'll float alone" or "boo-hoo, you divorced us so we'll punish you." The problem with Brussels right now is they think they can throw their weight around like they did with Greece and Switzerland.

[QUOTE=Vasili;52183114]Exports such as ores, machinery, mineral fuels and oil, vehicles, pharmaceutical, electronics, chemicals, apparatus, aircraft / spacecraft, plastics etc. This isn't something the EU can shrug it shoulders at and vice versa, ultimately we [URL="https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/"]export more[/URL] to the EU than they sell to us. Spain and Italy are very much interested in free-trade with Europe as they have a big trade surplus with us, among Germany which exports around €50 billion to the UK (cars, chemicals, machinery). These countries are at risk if the UK simply copies tariffs the EU puts on the nation. The French government has strong investments in nuclear and transport here too, French farmers and wine makers likewise export a significant produce and are willing to lobby hard to keep that free-trade going. Dutch don't want their key hub port Rotterdam to suddenly have tariffs - wrecking maritime trade with the United Kingdom (this is where most of our exports go to). Poland is a odd one, as many of it's workers oversea's send a nice pretty pay-packet home; now coming under concern with Brexit. Estonia doesn't want to upset a nation that has recently posted troops to ease their nerves on Russia, and would like to see the UK still part of European Security. The myth that the UK is a shadow that has no influence and nothing to bargain with is an angry thought perpetrated on Facepunch. Both unions are more than aware all are interested in good relations with open trade, but the bottom line is Europe needs growth and neither side can afford to throw away huge volumes of trade over childish remarks such as "The EU is evil we'll float alone" or "boo-hoo, you divorced us so we'll punish you." The problem with Brussels right now is they think they can throw their weight around like they did with Greece and Switzerland.[/QUOTE] As an outsider though, I do have to ask - if the UK acts the way they do now, what is to stop other countries switching suppliers if the UK tries to fight for a better deal and tank their homegrown industries on a pricepoint basis? I mean, look at steel, for instance - the UK got hammered to oblivion when cheap Chinese steel flooded the market, which led to a loss of jobs. France is dead set on building a customer base outside of the EU for both their military and nuclear offerings, with constant talks with countries like India, etc. With regards to other EU countries and their exports; they have other markets to choose from and the logistical advantage of getting goods there via their own ports. Shipping stuff out from the UK is do-able, but you need to be able to secure trade agreements first and offer better terms to a third country than any of the other EU countries. Something May tried to do when she visited India. I would think that behaving this way in full visibility of the rest of the world is kind of dangerous. It's also rather scary for the local population to have their figurehead speak in such dire, threatening terms whether they have leverage or not; it's not exactly building a lot of trust.

[QUOTE=snookypookums;52183770]As an outsider though, I do have to ask - if the UK acts the way they do now, what is to stop other countries switching suppliers if the UK tries to fight for a better deal and tank their homegrown industries on a pricepoint basis? With regards to other EU countries and their exports; they have other markets to choose from and the logistical advantage of getting goods there via their own ports. Shipping stuff out from the UK is do-able, but you need to be able to secure trade agreements first and offer better terms to a third country than any of the other EU countries. Something May tried to do when she visited India. I would think that behaving this way in full visibility of the rest of the world is kind of dangerous. It's also rather scary for the local population to have their figurehead speak in such dire, threatening terms whether they have leverage or not; it's not exactly building a lot of trust.[/QUOTE] Not as simple as you make it out to be, which is why the EU wants to negotiate in the first place; neither were trading as a formality. Germany is the largest exporter to the UK, Ireland is shitting itself over a no-deal, Spain, Italy, Netherlands, France etc -- they all want free trade and want to lobby for it. Each are driven by their own national, political and economic interests and will fight for them as hard as the UK will for it's own while pressure from Germany and other big traders (Ireland included) will heavily dissuade nations such as Croatia or Hungry vetoing a good deal. "They'll just go elsewhere, we'll make other industries" is fantasy talk right now IMO and is just as bad as me saying the exact same thing. The EU relies a lot on Britain's budget inputs and free movement rights, Eastern Europe are pushing heavily for that to continue. So I can only repeat myself: the European Union relies on the United Kingdom and vice-versa for associated jobs and trade flow, something the Dutch and Germans want to continue. What people should be concerned about are other EU members blocking these deals, not us. Neither want to seriously upset the other with Russia breathing down the EU's neck, they want our help with the significant military support & intelligence the United Kingdom gives to Europe: NATO, 5th highest military budget, perm UN security council seat, operations in Estonia, Balkans, Med etc. No it's not great May said that, but this was leaked from the Brussels lot themselves -- and they're very keen to throw their weight around; in turn getting the same response.

This just in, 7 year old tells dad she doesn't wanna go to the time out corner for taking a shit in the living room. This holds about as much weight as Trump trying to appear all manly and alpha when he goes "don't do it Putin >:("

It must be difficult negotiating with someone as corrupt as Juncker though. [url]https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/01/jean-claude-juncker-blocked-eu-curbs-on-tax-avoidance-cables-show[/url]

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;52185987]It must be difficult negotiating with someone as corrupt as Juncker though. [url]https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/01/jean-claude-juncker-blocked-eu-curbs-on-tax-avoidance-cables-show[/url][/QUOTE] Easier negotiating with someone corrupt than someone retarded and corrupt.

[QUOTE=EcksDee;52186539]Easier negotiating with someone corrupt than someone retarded and corrupt.[/QUOTE] You might not like her or what she stands for but she isn't corrupt in the true sense, unlike Juncker.