• Sweden -- Yes, Sweden -- Leads Anti-Immigration Shift
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[quote] Europe's far-right parties, once a distant threat to the political establishment, may be becoming an immediate danger. On [URL="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-03/swedish-politics-descend-into-chaos-and-traders-say-who-cares-.html"]Wednesday[/URL], the anti-immigrant Sweden Democrats forced the government to hold the first snap elections in 50 years by backing the opposition's version of the budget and toppling the governing center-left coalition. The upheaval in Sweden is the latest illustration of the growing power of anti-immigration parties across Europe. The U.K. Independence Party recently was able to capture two seats in the House of Commons, and in France, the National Front's leader, Marine Le Pen, leads in the polls for the 2017 presidential election. The Swedish party, however, is already strong enough to swing a hammer. [/quote] [url=http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-12-04/sweden-yes-sweden-leads-antiimmigration-shift]SOURCE[/url]
This surge in far-right European parties is frightening to say the least.
This is exactly what Sweden needs, All the Muslims should stay in their shithole countries. It's really frighting what Sweden is turning into, female genital mutilation sharia shit, violence etc. Sweden doesn't need this shit. Don't listen to Swebonny. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Gimmick" - Orkel))[/highlight]
Uhh, immigration debate is nothing new in Sweden. It's been debated since the 90s when yugoslavians fled the yugoslavian civil war and immigrated to Sweden. Since 2010 however, when SD got into the Swedish Riksdag (equal to the British UKIP) the question has just been debated more.
[QUOTE=Explosions;46648589]This surge in far-right European parties is frightening to say the least.[/QUOTE] I was about to say the SD couldn't be that bad, and then I went to look them up and some of their people. Yeah I regret even thinking that. I do feel Sweden is far too left, but the SDs are not the solution
The fact that we have to turn to these far right fucks to have our concerns adressed at all is fucking tragic.
[QUOTE=Toudrou;46648635]This is exactly what Sweden needs, All the Muslims should stay in their shithole countries. It's really frighting what Sweden is turning into, female genital mutilation sharia shit, violence etc. Sweden doesn't need this shit. Don't listen to Swebonny.[/QUOTE] You are a moron. It doesn't matter one but what the immigrants believe rule the world, it's what they cost for Sweden to house. Sweden takes in more then they can handle and anyone who want to put a limit on how many we can take in are labeled racist and fascist by the political left. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("flaming - report and ignore" - Orkel))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=gastyne;46648743]You are a moron. It doesn't matter one but what the immigrants believe rule the world, it's what they cost for Sweden to house. Sweden takes in more then they can handle and anyone who want to put a limit on how many we can take in are labeled racist and fascist by the political left.[/QUOTE] No shit that's the bigger picture, Muslim immigration to your country can only be a bad thing.
It's a bit late to turn anti-immigration when you've got half of the middle east already in Sweden and the other half in Britain!
[QUOTE=Toudrou;46648758]No shit that's the bigger picture, Muslim immigration to your country can only be a bad thing.[/QUOTE] You are totally clueless. There are two muslims where a I work and they are both two of the nicest and most helpful people I know.
[QUOTE=gastyne;46648743][B]You are a moron.[/B] It doesn't matter one but what the immigrants believe rule the world, it's what they cost for Sweden to house. Sweden takes in more then they can handle and anyone who want to put a limit on how many we can take in are labeled racist and fascist by the political left.[/QUOTE] Well that was mean :c
Well we've swung to full retard with all the liberalness, it was just a matter of time before we swung the other way around.
[QUOTE=Da Vinci3;46649263]Well we've swung to full retard with all the liberalness, it was just a matter of time before we swung the other way around.[/QUOTE] I'd rather be led by retarded liberals than retarded conservatives.
So what is their stance on immigration? I tried googling for it but all I see are newssites saying how they are far right and anti immigration, but not exactly why they are considered far right and anti immigration. I think this information is very important, if you remember back when switzerland voted on curbing the immigration to their country, which very loud left parties in whole europe defined as anti immigration. It is not about stopping immigration, it is about keeping immigration at a tolerable level for the country. If you have too many immigrants in a year, where do you think do all the housings come from? They dont appear out of nowhere. Where does all the food come from? And most importantly who pays for all of this? The consequence of this is obviously higher taxes, which leads to people in the lower class not being able to pay for their family. The middle class becomes the new lower class, and the people with the most money just leave the country because they can. Just opening the gates and letting everyone in isnt the solution.
Fuck, this is gonna make getting a job over there harder for me :(
[QUOTE=ImperialGuard;46649592]I'd rather be led by retarded liberals than retarded conservatives.[/QUOTE]I'd rather be led by competent politicians
[QUOTE=Jzzb;46651649]I'd rather be led by competent politicians[/QUOTE] I'd rather just everyone else take over because at this rate there won't be anyone competent showing up for a while.
We all know what happened the last time there was a far-right movement in Europe.
[QUOTE=kaine123;46651679]We all know what happened the last time there was a far-right movement in Europe.[/QUOTE] yeah stalin rose to power
finally swedistan got the balls to do this, i mean political correctness was destroying sweden
For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. It's Newton's third law in politics. You see it everywhere. The more extreme one side gets, the more extreme the opposite side gets.
[QUOTE=Jzzb;46651649]I'd rather be led by competent politicians[/QUOTE] I'd rather live in the fantasy world you live in where competent politicians exist.
[QUOTE=semper solus;46651738]finally swedistan got the balls to do this, i mean political correctness was destroying sweden[/QUOTE] legit question how was it destroying sweden [editline]6th December 2014[/editline] like did they take your jobs, made you scared that they were going to turn into a terrorist on the spot, steal your gf...
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;46651829] like did they take your jobs, made you scared that they were going to turn into a terrorist on the spot, steal your gf...[/QUOTE] I'm pretty no one thinks like that when they are supporting stuff like this.
[QUOTE=kaine123;46651679]We all know what happened the last time there was a far-right movement in Europe.[/QUOTE] Hundreds of thousands civilians were vaporized in an instant by nuclear bombs? [editline]6th December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=V12US;46651820]For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. It's Newton's third law in politics. You see it everywhere. The more extreme one side gets, the more extreme the opposite side gets.[/QUOTE] Which is why the only good political alignment is the center, combining the benefits of both, right and left, while leaving out the downsides. But being on the tip of the political pyramid, it takes a lot of energy and intelligents to stay up there, and not slipping to the left or right side. [editline]6th December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;46651829]legit question how was it destroying sweden [editline]6th December 2014[/editline] like did they take your jobs, made you scared that they were going to turn into a terrorist on the spot, steal your gf...[/QUOTE] Putting words into peoples mouth while not listening to them what they are really saying and also push them into the corner with Adolf Hitler is the worst kind of argument one can have
[QUOTE=Impact1986;46649921]So what is their stance on immigration? I tried googling for it but all I see are newssites saying how they are far right and anti immigration, but not exactly why they are considered far right and anti immigration. I think this information is very important, if you remember back when switzerland voted on curbing the immigration to their country, which very loud left parties in whole europe defined as anti immigration. It is not about stopping immigration, it is about keeping immigration at a tolerable level for the country. If you have too many immigrants in a year, where do you think do all the housings come from? They dont appear out of nowhere. Where does all the food come from? And most importantly who pays for all of this? The consequence of this is obviously higher taxes, which leads to people in the lower class not being able to pay for their family. The middle class becomes the new lower class, and the people with the most money just leave the country because they can. Just opening the gates and letting everyone in isnt the solution.[/QUOTE] most of the stuff is on wikipedia [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_Democrats[/url] [quote] The Sweden Democrats believe that the current Swedish immigration and integration policies have been a failure.[69][70]. SD is the only party in the Swedish Parliament without an integration policy.[71][72] They oppose integration because they believe that integration involves "meeting in the middle" and do not think that the indigenous Swedish people should have to bear the burden of what they see as a reckless immigration policy.[73][third-party source needed] SD feels that the current situation with a large number of immigrants living in cultural enclaves is not beneficial for the country. They argue that the immigrants themselves are rootless, that there have been rising antagonistic tensions between various population groups (socially, ethnically, religiously and culturally), and the immigration in itself, SD says, has caused social and economic strains on the country.[citation needed] As the party considers Sweden to have had too much immigration in later years, which it claims have seriously threatened national identity and societal cohesion, SD wants to reinstate a common Swedish national identity which in turn would mean a stronger inner solidarity. SD rejects the policy of multiculturalism, but accepts a multiethnic society where cultural assimilation is promoted. SD wishes to strongly restrict immigration, and give generous support for immigrants who instead of wanting to assimilate in Sweden voluntarily prefer to emigrate back to their country of origin. [/quote]
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;46651829]legit question how was it destroying sweden [editline]6th December 2014[/editline] like did they take your jobs, made you scared that they were going to turn into a terrorist on the spot, steal your gf...[/QUOTE] No not really but its making tensions between the native population and the immigrant population. and because alot immigrants dont know the native language or simply dont want to that they all start living next to each other instead of togheter with the swedish. because most immigrants are arabic they understand each other and so start like arabic neighborhoods like Malmo. and because they dont communicate with the native's they only communicate with their own kind and then its like small arabia. then the immigrant youth (children of the immigrants) feel like they dont belong and are not welcomed in the country and quickly turn to criminality because of the culture differences, so the immigrants still act the same as if they would be in pakistan or morroco for example. and thats why in malmo some times blonde women get raped and homosexuels get threatend and yews discriminated. its not the fault of the immigrants but of the weak politics who dindt pay attention to this and if you dont solve a problem it only get bigger.
[QUOTE=Cuel;46651989]most of the stuff is on wikipedia [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_Democrats[/url][/QUOTE] All that I read is that they want to limit immigration to their country, not outright banning it. For me this isn't an Anti-Immigration policy. And it is not a far right policy at all. Otherwise every country would be far right, including the USA, Germany, Switzerland etc etc etc... It is all just bashing people who have different opnions than the far left by labeling them racist and Nazis, immediately bringing people who are undecided to not listen to them because they don't want to be labeled racist or Nazis themselves. It is a big mockery of democracy, where one side silents the other passively.
[QUOTE=semper solus;46652031]and because they dont communicate with the native's they only communicate with their own kind and then its like small arabia. then the immigrant youth (children of the immigrants) feel like they dont belong and are not welcomed in the country and quickly turn to criminality because of the culture differences, so the immigrants still act the same as if they would be in pakistan or morroco for example.[/QUOTE] Not necessarily commenting on "immigration limits," which is not necessarily unreasonable, but the scenario you concocted here is crap and is a major generalization This is demonstrably untrue in almost every living example you can find in north america, especially in western areas where chinese, japanese and korean communities have done [I]exceedingly[/I] well in recent times economically and socially, and most second generation immigrants having the capacity to both speak english and their mandarin/cantonese/japenese/etc mother tongues bilingually. Immigrants are easily capable of integrating into and helping form mixed communities, any examples you provide or purport to provide are likely stem (at least partly) from them meeting coldness, intolerance or outright hostility from natives and sticking to "their own" communities because everywhere else is conceitedly or openly intolerant of their cultural nuances.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;46652252]Not necessarily commenting on "immigration limits," which is not necessarily unreasonable, but the scenario you concocted here is crap and is a major generalization This is demonstrably untrue in almost every living example you can find in north america, especially in western areas where chinese, japanese and korean communities have done [I]exceedingly[/I] well in recent times economically and socially, and most second generation immigrants having the capacity to both speak english and their mandarin/cantonese/japenese/etc mother tongues bilingually. Immigrants are easily capable of integrating into and helping form mixed communities, any examples you provide or purport to provide are likely stem (at least partly) from them meeting coldness, intolerance or outright hostility from natives and sticking to "their own" communities because everywhere else is conceitedly or openly intolerant of their cultural nuances.[/QUOTE] Arab people are not Asian people. Not all people are the same. Different cultures behave differently.
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