"Iceman" mummy's attire has identified what kind of animals he hunted - Polidicks

[quote]Among his kit were a hat of brown bear skin and a quiver made from roe deer. Despite being well preserved and studied, the 5,300-year-old mummy's various leather items had not all been identified at the species level. These findings, published in Scientific Reports, reveal a mix of wild-hunted animals with sheep, goat and cattle related to modern domestic breeds. The researchers say this points to Copper Age people choosing carefully between different wild and domesticated animals when looking for materials to make their clothes. But Oetzi's motley wardrobe, including a coat made from at least four separate goat and sheep hides, could also suggest a more haphazard and desperate approach - stitching together whatever scraps of skin were available. The Iceman's belongings that the team pinpointed were: --leggings made from goat skin --a shoelace of cow leather --a sheep leather loincloth --a quiver made of roe deer --a fur hat, with straps, made from brown bear --a coat of many fragments, incorporating both sheep and goat skin [img]http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/11C63/production/_90830827_c0068387.jpg[/img] [img]http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/16853/production/_90834229_clothes.png[/img][/quote] [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37094141[/url] :neat:

Sounds like he hunted anything furry

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;50907987]Sounds like he hunted anything furry[/QUOTE] Most animals hunted for clothing tend to have fur :v:

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50907991]Most animals hunted for clothing tend to have fur :v:[/QUOTE] You are right I don't think I was trying to make any sort of point

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;50908002]You are right I don't think I was trying to make any sort of point[/QUOTE] I think the two most interesting things they found were the semi-domesticated animals which could really help understand man's evolution of technology in this period. And the fact that he killed a bear because that's pretty badass. But I'm sure he killed lots of non-furry animals as well, it's just that the ones with fur where used to clothe him and those are the ones left on him when he died. We know he probably ate fish because that was a human diet long before a major migration into Europe happened.

I feel like he was murdered and left for dead based on them leaving him in his clothes.

[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;50908133]I feel like he was murdered and left for dead based on them leaving him in his clothes.[/QUOTE] It's one of the possible theories, but the more widely accepted is that he was ritually sacrificed. Mind you, the murder theory rests on unpublished DNA analyses, so it can't rightly be confirmed unless these were released.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;50908154]It's one of the possible theories, but the more widely accepted is that he was ritually sacrificed. Mind you, the murder theory rests on unpublished DNA analyses, so it can't rightly be confirmed unless these were released.[/QUOTE] Firing an arrow into the back is rather odd ritual when you could just not waste and arrow by bludgeoning him. [editline]18th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Alxnotorious;50908133]I feel like he was murdered and left for dead based on them leaving him in his clothes.[/QUOTE] Well it could be that he was carrying something else more valuable that was stolen making his clothes less important to take.

It could have been a hunting accident, maybe too far from anyone to help him so they just left him.

This dude wore a hat made out of [I]bear.[/I] That means that humans actually hunted the Panzers of the animal world for clothing. That's amazing to me. It's different hearing about mammoths, since they're dead and it's hard to imagine a big elephant being super dangerous, but hunting [I]bears[/I] just surprises me.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;50908270]This dude wore a hat made out of [I]bear.[/I] That means that humans actually hunted the Panzers of the animal world for clothing. That's amazing to me. It's different hearing about mammoths, since they're dead and it's hard to imagine a big elephant being super dangerous, but hunting [I]bears[/I] just surprises me.[/QUOTE] humans were, and still are, apex predators. not only was our ability to use cognitive intelligence and strategy far superior to most animals that were hunted, but our endurance was top notch as well. given that and that sapiens were the first animals to properly evolve the ability to throw objects, and you had a nightmare on your hands for any prey. just have 3-4 guys sneak up on an unsuspecting bear, toss a few spears at it, and chase it around for a few hours. it'll get tired while the hunters are still at their 100%, and they can finish it off real easy.

what if he was the first one to wear animal skins and the others thought he was crazy for wearing dead animals

[QUOTE=.Isak.;50908270]This dude wore a hat made out of [I]bear.[/I] That means that humans actually hunted the Panzers of the animal world for clothing. [/QUOTE] Well, no, it just means either he, or his group killed a bear for whatever reason (hunting or self protection or whatever) and then used the fur to make a hat. I mean, you'd probably be more on point if his entire outfit was bear fur, but even then, kinda hard to work out whether it was a cause or effect. But I highly doubt any animal would be hunted, just for the fur, for food, fur, utility stuff like tendons and stuff, it's highly improbable the guy just went "I need a new hat, lets hunt a bear" Plus, I imagine hunting bear is mostly like hunting any other animal, there's a video going around of a guy hunting and killing a (admittedly a black not brown) bear with just a spear, and he killed it pretty damn quickly. (The bear got about 70 yards before dying) [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSUYJ1AdQ8Q[/media]

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50908160]Firing an arrow into the back is rather odd ritual when you could just not waste and arrow by bludgeoning him. [editline]18th August 2016[/editline] Well it could be that he was carrying something else more valuable that was stolen making his clothes less important to take.[/QUOTE] To be fair, consider that Otzi had many illnesses, including whipworm and osteoporosis, which had no cures at the time. Also, remember that his copper axe and many of his tools were left behind with him, which is a point in favor that he was sacrificed and then buried with his equipment as grave goods (mind you, weapons were extremely valuable in that time period.) Evidence we've got points to the fact that he died a violent death; in addition to the arrow wound, there was trauma to the skull that resulted in a brain bleed, as well as a large unhealed wound on one of his hands, which indicates that he had been involved in fighting before his death, which could be, as you said, because he was ambushed and killed, but this begs the question; why did his murderers not strip him of his gear and tools? did they simply kill him over a dispute, or was he in fact ambushed for another reason? One theory says that Otzi could have died as a result of trespassing into the territory of another local tribe, following which he was attacked and perished. They haven't stated if they found animal blood on any of his tools or weapons, but they did say that they found four separate DNA signatures' worth of bloodstains on him and his gear. Consider the religious angle to this story, which is part of the ritual sacrifice theory; historically mountaintops were considered to have special religious significance in many ancient cultures, being as whoever stood on them was considered close to the gods. It's argued that he was buried along with his tools as grave goods for the afterlife, or the tools themselves could be part of the sacrifice, which included, of course, Otzi himself. What proof we have doesn't rule out either theory completely, with the evidence we do have.

what a noob still got leather shoes

[QUOTE=.Isak.;50908270]This dude wore a hat made out of [I]bear.[/I] That means that humans actually hunted the Panzers of the animal world for clothing. That's amazing to me. It's different hearing about mammoths, since they're dead and it's hard to imagine a big elephant being super dangerous, but hunting [I]bears[/I] just surprises me.[/QUOTE] Humans have always hunted apex predators. Hell, from what we know our ancestors hunted fucking [i]dinosaurs[/i]

[QUOTE=Citrus705;50908378]Humans have always hunted apex predators. Hell, from what we know our ancestors hunted fucking [i]dinosaurs[/i][/QUOTE] we're so alpha now we're hunting our planet :')

[QUOTE=Citrus705;50908378]Humans have always hunted apex predators. Hell, from what we know our ancestors hunted fucking [i]dinosaurs[/i][/QUOTE] Dinosaurs were extinct several tens of millions of years before humans evolved. Unless you're talking about birds.

[QUOTE=Citrus705;50908378]Humans have always hunted apex predators. Hell, from what we know our ancestors hunted fucking [i]dinosaurs[/i][/QUOTE] :speechless: Do you mean terrorbirds? Or what we would normally consider dinosaurs?

[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;50908133]I feel like he was murdered and left for dead based on them leaving him in his clothes.[/QUOTE] i hope they bring his killer to justice

Sorry I was being really broad, I mean the birds that evolved from a group of dinosaurs called maniraptoran theropods

Isn't it just a little mind boggling crazy to think back of where and the state we humans were 5300 years ago til where we are now. I can't get over this, everything our race has been through, especially the discovery of fire.

[QUOTE=smfE;50908749]Isn't it just a little mind boggling crazy to think back of where and the state we humans were 5300 years ago til where we are now. I can't get over this, everything our race has been through, especially the discovery of fire.[/QUOTE] We discovered fire way before the age of Ötzi.

[QUOTE=aznz888;50908294]humans were, and still are, apex predators. not only was our ability to use cognitive intelligence and strategy far superior to most animals that were hunted, but our endurance was top notch as well. given that and that sapiens were the first animals to properly evolve the ability to throw objects, and you had a nightmare on your hands for any prey. just have 3-4 guys sneak up on an unsuspecting bear, toss a few spears at it, and chase it around for a few hours. it'll get tired while the hunters are still at their 100%, and they can finish it off real easy.[/QUOTE] It's all about them thumbs. Other predators may be faster, stronger and much larger but the moment you incorporate weapons and tools and most importantly, the ability to wield them, the playing field begins to tip in our favor. Human history and development is always so fascinating to read about.

[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;50912343]It's all about them thumbs. Other predators may be faster, stronger and much larger but the moment you incorporate weapons and tools and most importantly, the ability to wield them, the playing field begins to tip in our favor. Human history and development is always so fascinating to read about.[/QUOTE] If you think of it, we must be nightmarish creatures to other animals outside our sphere of domestication. Too slow to outrun them, but we can follow their tracks for days or even weeks on end until they're exhausted and just collapse. Too weak or too small to overpower them, but we work in groups and/or use tools to weaken them bit by bit, until again they're too exhausted to fight back. We can sneak up on our prey by using camouflage, or set traps for them. We cover ourselves in the skins of our dead prey and craft tools from their bones. We can master other creatures and bend them to our will, allowing us to outrun or track our prey with ease, or otherwise we butcher them without any resistance. And god help you if an animal kills us, as we'll probably hunt them down and kill them. Yeah, if I were a wild animal, I'd steer clear away from humans.

Just because he has the clothing doesn't necessarily mean that he killed the animals. It could have been manufactured by somebody else (and either traded or stolen), or he could have sourced the individual furs from animals that were already dead or from people who traded in the furs. The fact he had a copper axe heavily implies he had access to some form of wealth that would let him trade for it.

i find it amazing that man managed to hunt fierce beasts like bears with primitive weapons.

[QUOTE=aznz888;50908392]we're so alpha now we're hunting our planet :')[/QUOTE] meta as fuck

[QUOTE=GordonZombie;50912734]If you think of it, we must be nightmarish creatures to other animals outside our sphere of domestication. Too slow to outrun them, but we can follow their tracks for days or even weeks on end until they're exhausted and just collapse. Too weak or too small to overpower them, but we work in groups and/or use tools to weaken them bit by bit, until again they're too exhausted to fight back. We can sneak up on our prey by using camouflage, or set traps for them. We cover ourselves in the skins of our dead prey and craft tools from their bones. We can master other creatures and bend them to our will, allowing us to outrun or track our prey with ease, or otherwise we butcher them without any resistance. And god help you if an animal kills us, as we'll probably hunt them down and kill them. Yeah, if I were a wild animal, I'd steer clear away from humans.[/QUOTE] Just imagine a tall, skinny, hairless creature covered in chopped-up human skin attacking you and then trailing you for days. They live in homes built out of the butchered skins of humans, drape that skin over their bodies, and burn human corpses over fires. That predator would be to us what we used to be to animals. Humans are fucking terrifying.

I remember reading about the iceman in a text book back in middle school. Its cool that they continue to learn from him to this day.