Texas Governor Signs Campus Carry Law, Goes In Effect August 1st
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A new Texas law allowing people to carry guns on state college campuses is already putting a big chill on fiery academic debate.
The law does not go into effect until Aug. 1, but professors at the University of Houston have started preparing guidelines for dealing with gun-toting students that include warning faculty to steer clear of "sensitive topics" and dropping hot button issues from their curricula, according to a UH Faculty Senate.
The proposed guidelines also advise faculty to not "'go there' if you sense anger" and "limit student access off hours."
"Only meet 'that student' in controlled circumstances," the guidelines state.
"It's not official policy," Faculty Senate President Jonathan Snow told NBC News on Wednesday. "The faculty is waking up now and saying, 'Oh my. Come August I will be teaching classes with students who could be carrying guns."
UH is expected to release it's own "draft policy" on guns in classrooms next week, a university spokeswoman said.
"The University of Houston takes issues surrounding campus safety and guns on campus very seriously and will strive to create policies that comply with the new Campus Carry law, protect the rights of citizens, and address the safety and security of the entire campus," a UH statement reads.
The Texas campus carry law signed by Republican Gov. Greg Abbott allows licensed gun owners 21 and older to carry their weapons on university grounds if they're fully concealed. It was bitterly opposed by most academics across the state and sparked student protests.[/quote]
[url]http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-campus-carry-law-putting-damper-academic-debate-n525096[/url]
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This is messed up. Professors shouldn't have to feel threatened to discuss topics they deem valid in the classroom. Way to make the education system a joke.
Way to totally stigmatize gun owners.
No one will be able to tell a difference.
[QUOTE=GarbageCan;49822982]This is messed up. Professors shouldn't have to feel threatened to discuss topics they deem valid in the classroom. Way to make the education system a joke.[/QUOTE]
If they feel that way because of this law, then that's on them. Any student who wanted to bring a gun on campus could have anyway and no one would have known.
Sweet. Gun fight! *throws gun*
A dean has already quit as a result.
[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35673426[/url]
[quote]"I grew up believing there was an appropriate place for guns and it was not in a place of higher education and higher learning,"[/quote]
[QUOTE=GarbageCan;49822982]
This is messed up. Professors shouldn't have to feel threatened to discuss topics they deem valid in the classroom. Way to make the education system a joke.[/QUOTE]
It's fearmongering. No one will notice a difference.
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;49823037]Good for them. They can go find a job somewhere where they will support their baseless ideology.[/QUOTE]
Baseless? It's dumb. Why the fuck do you need a gun in any educational institution unless Administration is fucking up that badly?
[QUOTE=pentium;49823045]Baseless? It's dumb. Why the fuck do you need a gun in any educational institution unless Administration is fucking up that badly?[/QUOTE]
Why should they be banned given if someone's going to shoot up the place they'll just ignore the rules?
[QUOTE=pentium;49823045]Baseless? It's dumb. Why the fuck do you need a gun in any educational institution unless Administration is fucking up that badly?[/QUOTE]
"America has a shooting problem!"
*allows civilians to carry guns*
"Why the fuck do you need a gun?"
[QUOTE=download;49823048]Why should they be banned given if someone's going to shoot up the place they'll just ignore the rules?[/QUOTE]
The fact someone wants to shoot a place up is more an indication of other more serious failings such as deteriorated mental health or the extreme pressure brought on by a failing education or high-pressure environment.
Giving them a gun, concealed or not, is such a dangerous band-aid fix.
Professors do not need to feel intimidated or threatened by their own students. You may think nothing may change, but what about how professors teach their classes? How comfortable they feel in their class rooms where they can't tell students to not bring a gun in?
[QUOTE=pentium;49823045]Baseless? It's dumb. Why the fuck do you need a gun in any educational institution unless Administration is fucking up that badly?[/QUOTE]
Why should I have to drive across town, drop my gun off at my house, then drive back across town to go to college if I have class after work? Or before work, requiring me to get out of school, drive across town, pick [I]up[/I] my gun from my house, then go to work?
It's not that a CHL holder "needs a gun" at college (although it doesn't hurt to have responsibly armed individuals in and around places that are frequently targeted by crazies), but that a college campus isn't just a place for 18-20 somethings who are there all day and then just go home. Many adults work college into crannies in their schedules and also happen to be CHL holders who don't want to have to pick between wasting time or getting arrested.
[editline]27th February 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=GarbageCan;49823069]Professors do not need to feel intimidated or threatened by their own students. You may think nothing may change, but what about how professors teach their classes? How comfortable they feel in their class rooms where they can't tell students to not bring a gun in?[/QUOTE]
If you feel "threatened" by a responsible adult with a legally acquired permit to carry a weapon (which in Texas requires a gun safety & handling course) then you are paranoid.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;49823056]"America has a shooting problem!"
*allows civilians to carry guns*
"Why the fuck do you need a gun?"[/QUOTE]
I'm not really on either side of this whole thing but this is a dumb argument to make
Anyone who says that America has a gun problem wouldnt want campus or open carry
[QUOTE=pentium;49823045]Baseless? It's dumb. Why the fuck do you need a gun in any educational institution unless Administration is fucking up that badly?[/QUOTE]
People can carry concealed weapons in pretty much any location they want as long as it's not government property, a hospital, school, or the owner explicitly says they can't. I don't see why not allow it on a college campus.
Also, the lack of weapons in a college or school makes them prime targets for fuckheads like Adam Lanza to get their 15 minutes of infamy by blowing away a bunch of people that can't shoot back. Just adding the risk of a few people being able to shoot back means those fuckers will think twice about it. Also due to the way how applications are handled in most states, people with a history of violence or anger management issues will likely be denied when the CLEO runs a check on their history.
[QUOTE=pentium;49823024]A dean has already quit as a result.
[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35673426[/url][/QUOTE]
Has a friend who goes to UT. Says that most people there -- at least most he knows (engineering majors) don't really care and the dean quitting was really weird for the whole campus. TCU and SMU are really the only campuses that freaked out over the law and immediately vetoed against it since they're private.
Honestly, SJWs are way more of a threat to expression on campus than CHL holders.
There have been so many Title IX cases against professors and other students for having a different opinion than the SJW.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Kipnis#Controversy[/url]
Edit: Hard time finding unbiased reports due to the secretive nature of Title IX cases.
[url]http://www.mindingthecampus.org/2016/01/how-title-nine-became-a-policy-bully/[/url]
So professors may be wary about going into sensitive topics that are related to their course because they now have to be afraid some kid can't handle discussing the topic and pulls a gun on them? Sheesh, why would they even think this is a good idea.
[QUOTE=GarbageCan;49823069]Professors do not need to feel intimidated or threatened by their own students. You may think nothing may change, but what about how professors teach their classes? How comfortable they feel in their class rooms where they can't tell students to not bring a gun in?[/QUOTE]
It's concealed carry. Literally nothing will change. There will be no noticeable change in the amount of guns on campus. Only now it's legal to do it. It's one of those things where you'll never notice until you need to. In which case I'll be glad I'm surrounded by a bunch of armed students. (I voted for this)
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I honestly think that even in the bastion of conservative public college that is A&M that anyone will bother to do it, and the ones that will probably already do.
[editline]27th February 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ricenchicken;49823138]So professors may be wary about going into sensitive topics that are related to their course because they now have to be afraid some kid can't handle discussing the topic and pulls a gun on them? Sheesh, why would they even think this is a good idea.[/QUOTE]
That's not at all a realistic scenario.
[QUOTE=OvB;49823170]It's concealed carry. Literally nothing will change. There will be no noticeable change in the amount of guns on campus. Only now it's legal to do it. It's one of those things where you'll never notice until you need to. In which case I'll be glad I'm surrounded by a bunch of armed students. (I voted for this)
[editline]27th February 2016[/editline]
I honestly think that even in the bastion of conservative public college that is A&M that anyone will bother to do it, and the ones that will probably already do.
[editline]27th February 2016[/editline]
That's not at all a realistic scenario.[/QUOTE]
Are you sure? There have been yelling matches on college campuses. Also people have shot others because they disagree with them in the past.
Give it time and a scenario like that could happen.
[QUOTE=Ricenchicken;49823200]Are you sure? There have been yelling matches on college campuses. Also people have shot others because they disagree with them in the past.
Give it time and a scenario like that could happen.[/QUOTE]
You need a permit to carry. Anyone can't just go out, buy a gun, and bring it to a rally. I'm not sure about gun crime rates by permit holders but I'm willing to guess it's a whole lot less.
[Quote]Texas Government Code Chapter 411, Subchapter H sets out the eligibility criteria that must be met. Applicants must be at least 21 years of age (unless active duty military) and must meet Federal qualifications to purchase a handgun. A number of factors may make individuals ineligible to obtain a license, such as: felony convictions, some misdemeanor convictions, including charges that resulted in probation or deferred adjudication; certain pending criminal charges; chemical or alcohol dependency; certain types of psychological diagnoses, and protective or restraining orders. The state eligibility requirements can be found in GC §411.172. The federal firearms disqualifiers can be found in 18 USC 44 §922.
You must also submit a completed application, pay the required fees, complete all required training and submit required supplemental forms and materials.[/Quote]
Someone that's gone through that much bullshit to obtain a license is not going to pull it on a SJW rally.
[QUOTE=Ricenchicken;49823200]Are you sure? There have been yelling matches on college campuses. Also people have shot others because they disagree with them in the past.
Give it time and a scenario like that could happen.[/QUOTE]
Give it time and someone could get stabbed or beat to death too. Hell on a long enough time line you're bound to have someone die at the hands of a dinner fork.
Keep in mind all that law did was keep the honest people honest, if folks wanted to bring a gun on campus in disregard of the law they've been able to without any physical barriers for a long time.
Hell the whole point of conceal carry IS to keep the honest people honest. There is quite literally nothing that can physically stop someone from carrying a gun.
[editline]27th February 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=OvB;49823213]You need a permit to carry. Anyone can't just go out, buy a gun, and bring it to a rally. I'm not sure about gun crime rates by permit holders but I'm willing to guess it's a whole lot less.
Someone that's gone through that much bullshit to obtain a license is not going to pull it on a SJW rally.[/QUOTE]
Well to be frank those /k/ guys who fired their gun at the Minneapolis BLM protest did all have carry permits. Granted they didn't walk in shooting up the place, and there has yet to be any convictions.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;49823214]Give it time and someone could get stabbed or beat to death too. Hell on a long enough time line you're bound to have someone die at the hands of a dinner fork.
Keep in mind all that law did was keep the honest people honest, if folks wanted to bring a gun on campus in disregard of the law they've been able to without any physical barriers for a long time.
Hell the whole point of conceal carry IS to keep the honest people honest. There is quite literally nothing that can physically stop someone from carrying a gun.[/QUOTE]
Ooh I should have been more specific. I don't think this will make more people kill, I just mean that a person having a bad day, and hears/being told the wrong thing, they could do something they normally wouldn't do. There have been instances in the past that have been on the news where when people were having heated moments have a gun pulled out.
It could be an average person that passes all the requirements, but there is a risk of them having a really bad day and having access to a weapon, the thought could cross their mind.
I'm probably exaggerating the risks in my head, but I could see problems with this law being passed. I guess time will tell.
why would you need to carry a gun on campus
[QUOTE=Kommodore;49823257]why would you need to carry a gun on campus[/QUOTE]
Because your campus is in a high crime metropolitan neighborhood? Because whackjobs tend to target schools and other soft targets?
I go to the University of Minnesota, and people get mugged leaving class in the evenings a few times a week. There's been plenty of violent beatings and rapes to boot, so you tell me why I would want to carry a gun on my campus.
whackjobs and muggers carrying guns?
[QUOTE=Kommodore;49823272]whackjobs and muggers carrying guns?[/QUOTE]
Yes, yes they do. Most of the robberies happen at gun point.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;49823214]Give it time and someone could get stabbed or beat to death too. Hell on a long enough time line you're bound to have someone die at the hands of a dinner fork.
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This is such a stupid argument, it is FAR easier to kill someone with a gun than by killing them with a knife, by beating them to death with your bare hands, or by a dinner fork (seriously?)
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;49823274]Yes, yes they do. Most of the robberies happen at gun point.[/QUOTE]
HMMMMM
I don't think you need to carry guns in public at all but I'm fine with those that are willing to take the legal routes to do it doing it.
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