Ontario schools will offer gender studies, thanks to five young women - Polidicks

[QUOTE]How might Rehtaeh Parsons’ life been different had her school offered a gender studies course? “Instead of talking about what the girl did and how ‘she had this coming to her,’ the focus might have been on ‘how these guys go through life not knowing about consent?’ ” says Lara Shkordoff. “It would have provided a safe space for students to talk about these things,” says Sarah Ghabrial. Parsons is the Nova Scotia teenager who killed herself earlier this month, 1½ years after she was allegedly raped by three or four guys at a party who snapped a photo of their act and sent it around to her classmates as a trophy.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/04/26/ontario_schools_will_offer_gender_studies_thanks_to_five_young_women_porter.html"]Source[/URL]

[quote] stargazertwo I don't want my sons going to your indoctrination. Where do I sign to get them out?[/quote] Stay classy.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;40453371]Stay classy.[/QUOTE] that's some fedora-level classiness

[QUOTE=MisterMooth;40453487]that's some fedora-level classiness[/QUOTE] Don't forget the neckbeard, greasy skin and trench coat.

[quote]They launched their campaign while studying the University of Western Ontario, where for the first time they were exposed to women’s history, and feminist theory and the concept of gender as something that’s built, not born. They were taking women’s studies classes.[/quote] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKcAYMb5uk4[/media] [editline]28th April 2013[/editline] I think this is a good idea though, the value of doing a varied range of subjects in high school is that you can do things that have very little value and not have it really affect your life once you leave. So you can do gender studies, take what little value information it offers and then you can realise it's worthless to go and study it in university so you don't end up wasting a lot of time and money

I really don't think this is going to work. Color me pessimistic but I doubt this class is going to have any difference on sleazy guys that do that kind of shit anyway. If you think raping someone, taking pictures of the act, and sending them to all of your friends is A-OK, then a feel-good class where people talk about their "feelings" (in high school? yeah okay) isn't going to do a damn thing. I'm betting it'll have a success rate equivalent to abstinence-only sex ed.

[QUOTE=Snowmew;40454720]I really don't think this is going to work. Color me pessimistic but I doubt this class is going to have any difference on sleazy guys that do that kind of shit anyway. If you think raping someone, taking pictures of the act, and sending them to all of your friends is A-OK, then a feel-good class where people talk about their "feelings" (in high school? yeah okay) isn't going to do a damn thing. I'm betting it'll have a success rate equivalent to abstinence-only sex ed.[/QUOTE] It might have an effect on the non-sleazy people though, who will be more likely to not stand for that kind of shit

"‘how these guys go through life not knowing about consent?" Oh shut the fuck up.

[QUOTE=Persecution;40454830]"‘how these guys go through life not knowing about consent?" Oh shut the fuck up.[/QUOTE] I don't get it, do they think rapists are completely unaware that people are supposed to consent to intercourse?

[QUOTE=Persecution;40454830]"‘how these guys go through life not knowing about consent?" Oh shut the fuck up.[/QUOTE] It's not like you're the reason they are pushing for this, not at all. Also, consent is an issue plenty of guys genuinely know nothing about. 6% of college age guys in one study admitted to raping girls if it wasn't called rape. A few of them were repeated offenders, doing most of the abuse.

but muh mra

[QUOTE=Rellow;40454901]I don't get it, do they think rapists are completely unaware that people are supposed to consent to intercourse?[/QUOTE] Teaching consent is not only to avoid cases where guys abuse girls without knowing they are, but also to teach everyone else to take rape claims and threats seriously. Remember all those girls who got bullied for being raped while the perpetrators were defended? It's about stuff like that.

[QUOTE=Rellow;40454901]I don't get it, do they think rapists are completely unaware that people are supposed to consent to intercourse?[/QUOTE] Have a look at this South Australian study: [url]http://www.shinesa.org.au/download.cfm?downloadfile=222BD59D-AE6A-448E-CC98CEFA3B3CC641&typename=dmFile&fieldname=filename[/url] It found that around a third (31%) of the young men who completed the survey (aged between 14-26) agreed that it was OK for a male to force a female to have sex in one or more of the scenarios listed. This is a depressing statistic, and can probably be helped by teaching consent better to youth.

[QUOTE=Rellow;40454901]I don't get it, do they think rapists are completely unaware that people are supposed to consent to intercourse?[/QUOTE] Most rape happens because the guy felt 'entitled'. mostly in relationships.

[QUOTE=MisterMooth;40454958]Have a look at this South Australian study: [url]http://www.shinesa.org.au/download.cfm?downloadfile=222BD59D-AE6A-448E-CC98CEFA3B3CC641&typename=dmFile&fieldname=filename[/url] It found that around a third (31%) of the young men who completed the survey (aged between 14-26) agreed that it was OK for a male to force a female to have sex in one or more of the scenarios listed. This is a depressing statistic, and can probably be helped by teaching consent better to youth.[/QUOTE] I am glad the Prime Minister of Australia agrees with me. My school requires at least one Women's Studies course, which is great.

[QUOTE=Snowmew;40454720]I really don't think this is going to work. Color me pessimistic but I doubt this class is going to have any difference on sleazy guys that do that kind of shit anyway. If you think raping someone, taking pictures of the act, and sending them to all of your friends is A-OK, then a feel-good class where people talk about their "feelings" (in high school? yeah okay) isn't going to do a damn thing. I'm betting it'll have a success rate equivalent to abstinence-only sex ed.[/QUOTE] I feel like if this course was going to actually be good for anything, then why don't we have some sort of classes supporting racial and cultural integration, freedom of religion, and that sort of thing. I am afraid that neither of these will do anything. People who would actually need them will never ever go there, unless it's compulsory. If you made these compulsory, you would be on the best way to civil war. [editline]28th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=person11;40455046]I am glad the Prime Minister of Australia agrees with me. My school requires at least one Women's Studies course, which is great.[/QUOTE] Okay civil war in USA at least.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;40455084]If you made these compulsory, you would be on the best way to civil war.[/QUOTE] Civil war over some classes? Haha what

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;40455084]I feel like if this course was going to actually be good for anything, then why don't we have some sort of classes supporting racial and cultural integration, freedom of religion, and that sort of thing. I am afraid that neither of these will do anything. People who would actually need them will never ever go there, unless it's compulsory. If you made these compulsory, you would be on the best way to civil war. [editline]28th April 2013[/editline] Okay civil war in USA at least.[/QUOTE] If I was in one of those classes my mind would be completely numb and dull from how bored I'd be. I'm all for having these classes in high school and keeping them optional for people who want to do it though.

Most of this gender studies seems a bit too on the side of women, coming from someone who only hears about it through here and such. What exactly does gender studies offer other than telling fellers what rape is and isn't?

It's such a shame that our youngest men are going to be indoctrinated with misandristic concepts like consent and equality

[QUOTE=Nightsure;40455464]coming from someone who only hears about it through here and such.[/QUOTE] maybe that's the problem huh

Good, gender studies are some of the most important and interesting classes I have ever taken. I see only good things from them being taught as a mandatory class in school, it's stuff kids need to know

[QUOTE=Zeke129;40455719]It's such a shame that our youngest men are going to be indoctrinated with misandristic concepts like consent and equality[/QUOTE] right in my men's rights

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;40455373]If I was in one of those classes my mind would be completely numb and dull from how bored I'd be. I'm all for having these classes in high school and keeping them optional for people who want to do it though.[/QUOTE] Important classes must be taught. Nobody is going to make Math optional cause it may be boring to some.

[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;40455835]right in my men's rights[/QUOTE] it's not like we have any rights left anyway

[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;40455753]maybe that's the problem huh[/QUOTE] Yes, instead of telling him why a gender studies class would be helpful let's just chastise him like a toddler. I have the exact same problem; every mention of a gender studies class that I've ever heard from the media or anywhere else has always included the stereotypical ultra female lezbo radical strawman that either talks about how much men aren't needed or explaining rape. I have no idea what is even taught in these classes.

[QUOTE=willer;40455865]Yes, instead of telling him why a gender studies class would be helpful let's just chastise him like a toddler. I have the exact same problem; every mention of a gender studies class that I've ever heard from the media or anywhere else has always included the stereotypical ultra female lezbo radical strawman that either talks about how much men aren't needed or explaining rape. I have no idea what is even taught in these classes.[/QUOTE] You learn about the social construction of gender, and how we arbitrarily define things as masculine or feminine. Basically from birth how your gender identity is reinforced through the social world (blue for boys, pink for girls, stuff like that). It's not at all some feminazi thing, feminism just happens to analyze both men and women. There's nothing crazy or unusual about the classes, they are really informative.

[QUOTE=Trogdon;40455939]You learn about the social construction of gender, and how we arbitrarily define things as masculine or feminine. Basically from birth how your gender identity is reinforced through the social world (blue for boys, pink for girls, stuff like that). It's not at all some feminazi thing, feminism just happens to analyze both men and women. There's nothing crazy or unusual about the classes, they are really informative.[/QUOTE] So it's a kind of anthropology? I'm not saying that that's what I think those classes are, but to someone who doesn't specifically look into it or go to one of the classes the media and outside world generally stereotypes them.

[QUOTE=willer;40456008]So it's a kind of anthropology? I'm not saying that that's what I think those classes are, but to someone who doesn't specifically look into it or go to one of the classes the media and outside world generally stereotypes them.[/QUOTE] Well I wouldn't say exactly like anthropology as it only covers more recent years. In my classes we read a lot of case studies about people who were victimized by the construction of gender. Like we read things about how Latina women are stereotyped as sexual because of their race solely, men who weren't taken seriously as victims of spousal abuse and found it near impossible to receive assistance, and stuff like that. Just deconstructs a lot of stereotypes about people and tries to make everyone more understood and confident in who they are. But yeah they are really misconstrued in the public, I thought they would be weird and now they are some of my favorite courses I've ever taken. There were a big turn around for me

[QUOTE=Trogdon;40456099]Well I wouldn't say exactly like anthropology as it only covers more recent years. In my classes we read a lot of case studies about people who were victimized by the construction of gender. Like we read things about how Latina women are stereotyped as sexual because of their race solely, men who weren't taken seriously as victims of spousal abuse and found it near impossible to receive assistance, and stuff like that. Just deconstructs a lot of stereotypes about people and tries to make everyone more understood and confident in who they are. But yeah they are really misconstrued in the public, I thought they would be weird and now they are some of my favorite courses I've ever taken. There were a big turn around for me[/QUOTE] It would really depend on who was teaching it as well though, in highschool there is a fair likelyness it would get one of those spare teachers that they throw on random classes who wouldn't teach it very well, and most of those I know in my school at least would have gone all femi-nazi on it and made the class crap.