[quote]A 63-year-old woman has died after an attack by four pit bull terriers as she was jogging in Los Angeles County, police in California say.[/quote] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22478913[/url]
And people say it's the owner not the dog. Well, why the hell is it always Pit Bull's or Rot Rottweiler's?
[editline]10th May 2013[/editline]
You don't see stories about Labs ripping someone to pieces and killing them.
I don't understand the use of apostrophes by you and the original article. The dogs attacked her; she died from the wounds. What's to question about that?
[QUOTE=Pat4ever;40596167]I don't understand the use of apostrophes by you and the original article. The dogs attacked her; she died from the wounds. What's to question about that?[/QUOTE]
Because it was an inside job of course, like 9/11
[QUOTE=JohnCena;40596152]And people say it's the owner not the dog. Well, why the hell is it always Pit Bull's or Rot Rottweiler's?
[editline]10th May 2013[/editline]
You don't see stories about Labs ripping someone to pieces and killing them.[/QUOTE]
Story mentions nothing about the owner, maybe this owner was a huge dick and used his Pit bulls for fighting.
Trust me, if you raise a dog right it'll behave itsself, no matter what race.
[QUOTE=JohnCena;40596152]And people say it's the owner not the dog. Well, why the hell is it always Pit Bull's or Rot Rottweiler's?
[editline]10th May 2013[/editline]
You don't see stories about Labs ripping someone to pieces and killing them.[/QUOTE]
have you ever seen a pitbull? of course you hear stories of them killing people because those dogs have some of the beefiest jaws imaginable. they are incredibly strong dogs. that doesn't mean that they are more likely to attack or that they are worse dogs to own, it just means that if they do attack the injuries will be more severe.
smaller dogs like a chihuahua are actually more aggressive and worse behaved than pitbulls in general, but since they are such small ass dogs a chihuahua attack is more of an annoyance than a life threatening ordeal.
[url]http://www.examiner.com/article/pit-bulls-score-better-on-temperament-tests-than-the-general-dog-population[/url]
in fact, pitbulls are better behaved on average than other dogs. the problem is that they are deadly when provoked or poorly trained.
[QUOTE=JohnCena;40596152]
You don't see stories about Labs ripping someone to pieces and killing them.[/QUOTE]
Because people get attacked by dogs all the time and labs don't have the same media buzz as pits and the ilk.
[QUOTE=JohnCena;40596152]And people say it's the owner not the dog. Well, why the hell is it always Pit Bull's or Rot Rottweiler's?
[editline]10th May 2013[/editline]
You don't see stories about Labs ripping someone to pieces and killing them.[/QUOTE]
"An old woman died in the ICU today after a vicious ankle-gnawing attack by a pack of Yorkshire Terriers, led by one nicknamed by the community as 'the stupid looking one'."
Seriously though, it may be a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts. It could be that instead of pit bulls naturally being more aggressive, people who want (and train) aggressive dogs choose pit bulls because of stories of them being more aggressive, whether those stories are true or not.
Basically, instead of pit bulls naturally being more aggressive, it's aggressive owners tend to choose pit bulls.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40596279]have you ever seen a pitbull? of course you hear stories of them killing people because those dogs have some of the beefiest jaws imaginable. they are incredibly strong dogs. that doesn't mean that they are more likely to attack or that they are worse dogs to own, it just means that if they do attack the injuries will be more severe.
smaller dogs like a chihuahua are actually more aggressive and worse behaved than pitbulls in general, but since they are such small ass dogs a chihuahua attack is more of an annoyance than a life threatening ordeal.
[url]http://www.examiner.com/article/pit-bulls-score-better-on-temperament-tests-than-the-general-dog-population[/url]
in fact, pitbulls are better behaved on average than other dogs. the problem is that they are deadly when provoked or poorly trained.[/QUOTE]
Exactly!
My best friend has a pitbull and she is the sweetest thing ever, she wouldn't hurt anyone or anything.
On the other hand her little chihuahua is a vicious little fucker, shat on my bag, tore up my headphones and kept biting my feet every time the little rat saw me.
[QUOTE=Last or First;40596362]Seriously though, it may be a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts. It could be that instead of pit bulls naturally being more aggressive, people who want (and train) aggressive dogs choose pit bulls because of stories of them being more aggressive, whether those stories are true or not.
Basically, instead of pit bulls naturally being more aggressive, it's aggressive owners tend to choose pit bulls.[/QUOTE]
I thought this was confirmed to be the truth. Dog gets a bad reputation, bad people start getting that kind of dog and training them to be vicious, reputation sticks, bad people keep using them, etc.
[QUOTE=JohnCena;40596152]And people say it's the owner not the dog. Well, why the hell is it always Pit Bull's or Rot Rottweiler's?
[editline]10th May 2013[/editline]
You don't see stories about Labs ripping someone to pieces and killing them.[/QUOTE]
this is sort of half true. People who would end up mis-treating the dog get the "bad-ass" breeds such as these because they are more powerful and intimidating because of their reputation.
When are these fucking monsters going to be banned
[QUOTE=Pat4ever;40596167]I don't understand the use of apostrophes by you and the original article. The dogs attacked her; she died from the wounds. What's to question about that?[/QUOTE]
because she's just mostly dead
[img]http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_loww57mHWI1qasdqt.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=JohnCena;40596152]And people say it's the owner not the dog. Well, why the hell is it always Pit Bull's or Rot Rottweiler's?
[editline]10th May 2013[/editline]
You don't see stories about Labs ripping someone to pieces and killing them.[/QUOTE]
Pitbulls are easy to train and love their owners. This also means that they are easy to train into being aggressive. Just because shitheads are attracted to a breed doesn't mean the breed is at fault. It's the same story with german shepherds here, shitheads think they look badass and badly train them or don't train them at all, then we get aggressive neurotic german shepherds and people start to hate the breed.
You could almost think of them as the "assault weapons" of dogs, in terms of controversy.
[QUOTE=JohnCena;40596152]And people say it's the owner not the dog. Well, why the hell is it always Pit Bull's or Rot Rottweiler's?
[editline]10th May 2013[/editline]
You don't see stories about Labs ripping someone to pieces and killing them.[/QUOTE]
"In these areas, you might have a situation where people dump animals out in rural areas," said John Mlynar.
Read the source before you make spineless accusations.
[img]http://lolsnaps.com/upload_pic/YourTypicalViolentandAggressivePitBull-60480.jpg[/img]
By the way, have you ever taken a lab hunting? These dogs run up to game, grab the neck, and shake as violently as possible in order to break the neck of anything that may still be alive. Domestic labs, like mine, still have that genetic ability and it shows whenever I play tug of war with her.
Granted, pit bulls have the genetic makeup to be more aggressive than other dogs, but if you train them to be nice they're some of the best animals I've ever spent time with.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;40596417]I thought this was confirmed to be the truth. Dog gets a bad reputation, bad people start getting that kind of dog and training them to be vicious, reputation sticks, bad people keep using them, etc.[/QUOTE]
This is literally all it is.
My brother's dog is the most loving pet we've ever had, he always comes wagging his tail at us and he's happy with everyone/everything he meets. Heck even though the cats are hostile towards him he's yet to be aggressive towards them at all. We just got a puppy and he's done nothing but look after it since day 1.
I wish people would stop with these bullshit generalizations. It's all down to how you bring them up.
Pit bulls are the only breed that gets their name in the headline after an attack, and pretty much the only breed whose attacks even make the news.
Statistically speaking golden retrievers bite the most people every year, but we never see "Golden retriever mauls child" on the front page of the paper.
If LA didn't already have breed-banning legislation, they probably will now.
[QUOTE=JohnCena;40596152]And people say it's the owner not the dog. Well, why the hell is it always Pit Bull's or Rot Rottweiler's?
[editline]10th May 2013[/editline]
You don't see stories about Labs ripping someone to pieces and killing them.[/QUOTE]
I'm guessing you're slamming Pit Bulls and Rotties? Well I breed and raise Rotties, and LB my babyboy Rot is the kindest sweetest dog I have ever had. Yes, he can be mean when I or my fiancee is threatened, but it usually never comes to that. It is the owner not the dog. The dog will learn what he/she is taught. I taught my rottie to obey me and my fiancee. He sits when told, stays when told, and even only eats when told. If I tell him to attack, he'll attack, if I tell him to stop he'll stop. These dogs were obv, not trained right and the owner should be put on trail. Yes it is sad, but things like this happen all the time.
My neighbor has a pit bull and it's the nicest dog ever. It's the kind of dog that runs into the yard in the morning and puts the newspaper on the porch. For everyone on the street.
So it's definitely the owner.
Weren't these dogs originally bred to be fighters? All of you saying they're nice dogs are probably right but i still wouldn't trust a dog who's sole purpose was to kill when it was bred
[QUOTE=Ishwoo;40597342]Weren't these dogs originally bred to be fighters? All of you saying they're nice dogs are probably right but i still wouldn't trust a dog who's sole purpose was to kill when it was bred[/QUOTE]
They were trained for easy malleability and obedience. This also makes them effective fighting dogs.
I was going to say "Here come the "ALL PITBULLS ARE EVIL" people" but I am very late :(
It's the owners, not the dogs. There are cases where the animal is aggressive, though. A lot like kids, raise them like shit, they'll be shits. Raise them good, they'll be good. There are exceptions to the rule, though.
[QUOTE=Ishwoo;40597342]Weren't these dogs originally bred to be fighters? All of you saying they're nice dogs are probably right but i still wouldn't trust a dog who's sole purpose was to kill when it was bred[/QUOTE]
many dogs have been bred with the sole purpose of killing. dogs have a long history of being used for hunting and guarding.
[QUOTE=ColossalSoft;40597274]My neighbor has a pit bull and it's the nicest dog ever. It's the kind of dog that runs into the yard in the morning and puts the newspaper on the porch. For everyone on the street.
So it's definitely the owner.[/QUOTE]
Not every dog is the same though. That's like saying it's the parents fault when people turn out to be murderers etcetc. That's not always the case, some people are just fucked in the head from the get go, it's not always the parenting.
Same case with dogs and my dog is a prime example, he can be the nicest dog ever but once you tell him to get off the couch, or get inside when he escapes in the front yard, he'll show all his teeth and sometimes actually bite you, and no he doesn't nip you, he fucking bites you hard like he's fighting for his life. And you know what? We've had plenty of animals in the past and none of them have ever attacked us except for this dog, and we don't beat our animals, shock collar them or anything absurd like that, we treat them good and we love them and care for them. I'm saying this from pure experience, it's not always the owner.
generally when you breed an animal to fight or kill you do NOT breed them to be incredibly aggressive. you want the dog to be a killer, but you want the dog to be a controlled killer. a watchdog that kills your friend is useless, as is a hunting dog that turns on the hunter.
fighting and hunting dogs require obedience to be useful for their jobs. that's why many dogs that are considered "killers" are incredibly obedient and loyal to their owners.
Aww, don't blame the Pitbull. Every one I met was friendly and nice and sweet. c:
[QUOTE=JohnCena;40596152]And people say it's the owner not the dog. Well, why the hell is it always Pit Bull's or Rot Rottweiler's?
[editline]10th May 2013[/editline]
You don't see stories about Labs ripping someone to pieces and killing them.[/QUOTE]
Because some breeds are more violent than others, it's genetics and evolution. Anyone who says dog breeds aren't varying in aggressiveness or that dogs aren't naturally aggressive (especially some breeds) are people you shouldn't listen to anyway.
Contrary to popular belief pitbulls are actually one of the more human friendly breeds by nature.
They were specifically bred to have high aggression drives towards certain animals (the etymology of the name, pit [B]bull[/B], these dogs were originally bred to bait and hold bulls, not dogfighting, of which is another common misconception) and have no aggression towards human handlers because they would often be required to be physically removed during a high stress situation.
As such you've got a breed that fall over themselves to please their masters, but are also very likely to attack other dogs unless socialized at an early age.
It might've changed in recent years, but believe it or not until recently common "family" breeds had the highest attack rates by statistics. The german shepherd being one of the worst but thats also because its one of the most popular breeds.
[QUOTE=JohnCena;40596152]And people say it's the owner not the dog. Well, why the hell is it always Pit Bull's or Rot Rottweiler's?
[editline]10th May 2013[/editline]
You don't see stories about Labs ripping someone to pieces and killing them.[/QUOTE]
yeah because people who intend to raise a vicious guard dog are going to go out and buy a lab. do you have any idea how stupid that entire post was?
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