Iran might invade Pakistan over captured border guards - Polidicks

[IMG]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73044000/jpg/_73044593_73044528.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE] Iran's interior minister has warned it may send forces into Pakistan if it does not act to free five Iranian border guards seized 10 days ago. The men are thought to have been taken into Pakistan after being captured in Iran's Sistan Baluchistan region. Abdolreza Rahmani-Fazli demanded that Islamabad treat the case "strongly and seriously" and "take the necessary measures" to secure their release. The Sunni militant group Jaish al-Adl has said it was behind their capture. The group has posted what it said were photographs of the guards, bound and being held in an unknown location. A video broadcast by al-Arabiya TV on Friday purportedly showed one of the men, Sgt Jamshyd Danaifard, saying they were "safe and sound". He added that Jaish al-Adl wanted the Iranian authorities to exchange 300 Sunni prisoners in Iran and its close ally Syria for the guards. 'New security sphere' The day after the capture of the guards on 8 February, the Iranian foreign ministry reportedly summoned Pakistan's charge d'affaires to demand that Islamabad "act firmly against the leaders and members of the terrorist group who have fled into Pakistan". On Monday, Mr Rahmani-Fazli told state TV that Iran had "asked Pakistan to deal with the issue strongly and seriously". Otherwise, he said, Pakistan must "allow Iran to maintain the security of the region deep on Afghanistan and Pakistan soil". "We are expecting a proper and precise answer. Otherwise we do consider it our own right to intervene and create a new security sphere for our safety." The Isna news agency reported separately that an Iranian delegation had travelled to Pakistan on Monday to try to secure the guards' release. The deputy chief-of-staff of Iran's armed forces meanwhile told the Fars news agency that "political and military measures are under way to set them free". Sistan Baluchistan, which borders both Afghanistan and Pakistan, has been the scene of frequent clashes in recent years between Iranian security forces and drug smugglers and Sunni rebel groups. In October, Jaish al-Adl said it was behind the killing of 14 Iranian border guards and the capture of three others in Sistan Baluchistan. The authorities in the provincial capital, Zahedan, responded by hanging 16 people they claimed were "linked to groups hostile to the regime". [/QUOTE] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-26229217[/url]

Just what the world needs. The wannabe-nuclear Shia Islamic republic invading the nuclear Sunni Islamic republic.

[QUOTE=PolarEventide;43956139]Just what the world needs. The wannabe-nuclear Shia Islamic republic invading the nuclear Sunni Islamic republic.[/QUOTE] Countries don't fuck around when their border guards are taken.

[QUOTE=PolarEventide;43956139]Just what the world needs. The wannabe-nuclear Shia Islamic republic invading the nuclear Sunni Islamic republic.[/QUOTE] Say what you want about Iran but they are in the right on this issue. Pakistan has always been retarded on it's foreign affairs

[QUOTE=ionuttzu;43956269]Say what you want about Iran but they are in the right on this issue. Pakistan has always been retarded on it's foreign affairs[/QUOTE] I wasn't saying that Iran was unjustified. I was only pointing out that a theocratic nation invading another theocratic nation that follows a rival sect of Islam could exacerbate the situation.

Go Iran! Pakistan fund and defend terrorist organisations and are dicks to india.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;43956338]Go Iran! Pakistan fund and defend terrorist organisations and are dicks to india.[/QUOTE] Iran does the same.

[QUOTE=ionuttzu;43956269]Say what you want about Iran but they are in the right on this issue. Pakistan has always been retarded on it's foreign affairs[/QUOTE] The only thing Pakistan has done is harbour a terrorist group simply because they're so incompetent. When Iran seem to be taking the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maill%C3%A9_massacre]Maillé[/url] and [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Kondomari]Kondomari[/url] approach to dealing with terrorists, I'm not keen on either side here.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;43956359]The only thing Pakistan has done is harbour a terrorist group simply because they're so incompetent. When Iran seem to be taking the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maill%C3%A9_massacre]Maillé[/url] and [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Kondomari]Kondomari[/url] approach to dealing with terrorists, I'm not keen on either side here.[/QUOTE] Pakistan's intelligence agency is practically uncontrolled by their government, their words don't match and they probably back the Taliban and insurgents in India. [editline]18th February 2014[/editline] It's really hard not to support Iran on this one, they're clearly in the right. Their border guards were protecting their countries borders only to be taken hostage by terrorists in Pakistan because Pakistan is so useless that it can't control its own territory.

[QUOTE=laserguided;43956373]Pakistan's intelligence agency is practically uncontrolled by their government, their words don't match and they probably back the Taliban and insurgents in India. [editline]18th February 2014[/editline] It's really hard not to support Iran on this one, they're clearly in the right. Their border guards were protecting their countries borders only to be taken hostage by terrorists in Pakistan because Pakistan is so useless that it can't control its own territory.[/QUOTE] It really is scary to think that Pakistan has nuclear weapons.

[QUOTE=PolarEventide;43956421]It really is scary to think that Pakistan has nuclear weapons.[/QUOTE] North Korea is more qualified to hold nuclear weapons.

Well I can't blame Iran on that one. You don't fuck around with border guards.

You can't just take border guards, that's a crime, not war.

[QUOTE=laserguided;43956373]Pakistan's intelligence agency is practically uncontrolled by their government, their words don't match and they probably back the Taliban and insurgents in India. [editline]18th February 2014[/editline] It's really hard not to support Iran on this one, they're clearly in the right. Their border guards were protecting their countries borders only to be taken hostage by terrorists in Pakistan because Pakistan is so useless that it can't control its own territory.[/QUOTE] Support them to get their people back, sure, Pakistan can certainly do everything they can to ensure that. Putting any responsibility on Pakistan for the act or if things go sour, then you've got no chance. The reason people use extremist groups as proxies is because you can rarely if ever prove a link to the backer, so not only is it an unlikely scenario they had anything to do with it you'd never be able to prove such a thing. You think they can coerce any action other than vague cooperation from this, because the US has had far worse happen there and haven't been able to do a damn thing about it.

Shit could seriously hit the fan on this one.

I'm more concerned with the fact that both could have Nukes. Oh fuck.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;43956556]I'm more concerned with the fact that both could have Nukes. Oh fuck.[/QUOTE] Pakistan has nuclear weapons. It's unlikely that, at this moment, Iran has nuclear weapons.

Let's hope for the best, guys.

Tbh I can't root for either, the region this happened in never really belonged to any them in culture and local support, we fucked that right up when spliting India.

[QUOTE=PolarEventide;43956589]Pakistan has nuclear weapons. It's unlikely that, at this moment, Iran has nuclear weapons.[/QUOTE] Still. Oh. Shit.

Even if Iran had nukes they would be smart enough to not use them over something as trival as a few kidnapped border guards. Pakistan on the other hand probably keep their nukes in a shed with a 'do nut steel' sign on it.

[QUOTE=Killuah;43956634]Tbh I can't root for either, the region this happened in never really belonged to any them in culture and local support, we fucked that right up when spliting India.[/QUOTE] Balochistan needs to be independent.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;43956441]Support them to get their people back, sure, Pakistan can certainly do everything they can to ensure that. Putting any responsibility on Pakistan for the act or if things go sour, then you've got no chance. The reason people use extremist groups as proxies is because you can rarely if ever prove a link to the backer, so not only is it an unlikely scenario they had anything to do with it you'd never be able to prove such a thing. You think they can coerce any action other than vague cooperation from this, because the US has had far worse happen there and haven't been able to do a damn thing about it.[/QUOTE] Pakistani government agencies failed to secure the border and prevent terroists with hostages from crossing it. It's absolutely Pakistan's fault.

If the whole invasion is just to rescue captured border guards, Pakistan might as well work with Iran on this.

[QUOTE=gudman;43956771]Pakistani government agencies failed to secure the border and prevent terroists with hostages from crossing it. It's absolutely Pakistan's fault.[/QUOTE] Failure would imply some attempt to secure it in the first place. Pakistan don't respect their, or anybody elses borders and don't give a fuck which of their pet terrorist groups are crossing.

[QUOTE=gudman;43956771]Pakistani government agencies failed to secure the border and prevent terroists with hostages from crossing it. It's absolutely Pakistan's fault.[/QUOTE] Their fault that they are in Pakistan, sure, they're not going to get any more than half-assed cooperation though. The the idea that they could use military force, that anyone would support them in a war, or that they'd even try when Pakistan is no pushover, is just absurd.

Pakistan will either: A) Brush over it and forgot it happened B) Do a lazy attempt at finding the terror cell, fail then revert to A C) Use it as a publicity stunt to show how efficient they are, do some highly publicized tv raids, fail then revert to A. Theres no way they will authorise Iranian forces to try and find these guys.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;43956556]I'm more concerned with the fact that both could have Nukes. Oh fuck.[/QUOTE] Nobody's going to fire nukes at anyone.

[QUOTE=laserguided;43956428]North Korea is more qualified to hold nuclear weapons.[/QUOTE] At least we know that the North Korean state is the most powerful actor in the country. Who knows what the fuck is going on in Pakistan.

if war breaks out over this, it'll be mostly Pakistan's fault