Google shutting out rivals, claims Russian search engine Yandex - Polidicks

[IMG]http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Media/Pix/pictures/2012/4/19/1334846973728/Google-008.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]The co-founder of Russia's leading search engine, Yandex, has accused Google of abusing its dominance to shut out competitors in cyberspace. Responding to comments made to the Guardian by Sergey Brin, the Google co-founder, about threats to the open internet, Ilya Segalovich described the US search giant's popular smartphone platform, Android, as a "strange combination of openness and not openness" and its [B]Chrome web browser as anti-competitive[/B]. Segalovich, chief technology officer of the Russian internet company, said that Brin should explain Google's "semi-open" approach to search competitors before accusing others of endangering the unfettered internet. Brin told the Guardian that the future of the open internet was under threat from a coalition of governments, but also from private companies, naming Facebook and Apple. Yandex and Google are direct competitors in Russia, where the Moscow-based company dominates the search market with a 62% share, compared with Google's 25% share. Segalovich suggested Google was guilty of foul play with its Chrome browser, which he said made it difficult for users to choose rival search engines, including Yahoo, Bing and Yandex, over its own market-leading product. He said [b]internet users were effectively coerced into using the Californian internet giant's products over those offered by rivals[/b]. "Things are definitely going where more and more control is in the hands of platform providers. It's interesting that it's not only mobile, but it's also about browsers," Segalovich said. "That is a part of the open and closed issue, in my head. If you own the browser, the browser is the platform then the search is yours. It is the same question … it should be addressed to Sergey himself. He should think about it also. It's a little wider than he described it." [b]Asked whether proprietary products, such as Apple's mobile applications, posed a threat to the open internet, he added: "Definitely there is such a problem. I myself don't like the closed platforms; I think it is important that you have choice."[/b] Brin, whose family fled the former Soviet Union, reiterated his warning about the future of the internet in a blogpost on Wednesday. He said that governments, rather than private companies, posed the greatest and most immediate threat to the world wide web. Segalovich downplayed the role of the Russian government in suppressing content on the internet. He said that Moscow was "not making aggressive moves" against internet firms, and added that the government was attempting to be "quite neutral and positive" about cyberspace. He indicated that Yandex, which recently launched internet search and maps in Turkey and opened an office in Switzerland, could be damaged by the "semi-open" nature of Google's Android operating system for smartphones. Phone-makers that have not signed deals to use Android are only able to offer basic applications to their users, Segalovich said. "You cannot [send any code] to Android, it's semi-open source. You cannot send anything, just see and watch [how the code is changed by Google] … If you download an application it may not work properly if it's not Android marketplace. So that's an interesting question," he added. "BlackBerry is trying to use Android but it won't be working properly … It's a strange combination of openness and not openness. That's another part of the story." He added: "One of the things about Android which is especially bad for us is if you have the Market [app store] it's the only way to get advanced apps to work properly … But the new remit on Android 4 is if you have this smart kit you have to have search of Google on top of the screen, it's a part of the contract. I don't think it's good. I think it's bad." Segalovich said that Google's overwhelming dominance of the search market in Europe opened the company up to anti-trust issues, but acknowledged that Yandex could also face the same pressure in Russia. The Yandex boss described the criticism of Facebook by Google's Brin as "an American story, like two matadors" that was not replicated in the Russian internet market.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/apr/19/google-rivals-russian-search-engine[/url]

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[QUOTE=parket;35686260]who[/QUOTE] Yandex. It's very popular in russia and some russian speaking countries.

I don't see why you would use something else than Google. I once tried searching for something on Bing, it found nothing, while Google found the excat thing I wanted.

This guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

[QUOTE=KillerTele;35686288]I don't see why you would use something else than Google. I once tried searching for something on Bing, it found nothing, while Google found the excat thing I wanted.[/QUOTE]Google imo is worse if you're searching for something russian in russian. Compared to yandex which bases itself around russia mainly.

Of course Google would want you to search using Google within their own web browser, that's partly what it was designed for.

Google would never do this. They care too much about the openness of the internetz.

[QUOTE=TheCreeper;35686336]Google would never do this. They care too much about the openness of the internetz.[/QUOTE] They care about internet opennsess as long as they get profits and are on top.

[QUOTE=KillerTele;35686288]I don't see why you would use something else than Google. I once tried searching for something on Bing, it found nothing, while Google found the excat thing I wanted.[/QUOTE] In theory healthy competition stops companies from getting lazy as they're always wary of another company winning over customers with the next big innovation. But seeing how frequently Google comes up with new services and ideas, I'm not sure if this applies in this scenario. Doesn't mean I'm against competitors to try to come up with ways to be better than Google. I fear the day when Google "turns evil". It's really big and powerful by now and is set on keeping their de-facto-monopoly status. If they changed the ToS to something that causes and outrage, most people would still shrug and accept it and deal with it because they're so dependent on Google. Take browsers for example. There's bits of innovations every now and again and usually the competitors will implement those innovations into their own system so they stay in the race, and at the end of the day the customer wins.

the whole no competition means no innovation argument is invalid when it comes to google, since they're pretty much in the business of funding everything that has the slightest chance of success

Oh get fucked, if you want to compete with Google bring something new to the fucking table instead of bitching

It's pathetic how Facepunch can fool themselves into accepting this when if it was ANY other comapany (see: Apple) you all would be raving about how "this is ridicilous! Make good products/services instead! Fuck Apple!" Jesus [B]FUCK[/B], wake up before you become no better than the Apple fanboys you despise. "Trust" is something that should never be given to a company owned by stockholders, and the moment you give Google yours is the moment they will turn bad beyond recognition. So yeah, asshole move Google. And I'm talking to you: [QUOTE=KillerTele;35686288]I don't see why you would use something else than Google.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=CoolCorky;35686322]Of course Google would want you to search using Google within their own web browser, that's partly what it was designed for.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=parket;35686486]the whole no competition means no innovation argument is invalid when it comes to google, since they're pretty much in the business of funding everything that has the slightest chance of success[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=JustExtreme;35686563]Oh get fucked, if you want to compete with Google bring something new to the fucking table instead of bitching[/QUOTE] But then, what else can you expect of the FP hivemind. It's like 1984 in here sometimes.

[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;35686574]It's pathetic how Facepunch can fool themselves into accepting this when if it was ANY other comapany (see: Apple) you all would be raving about "this is ridicilous! Make good products/services instead!" Jesus [B]FUCK[/B], wake up before you become no better than the Apple fanboys you despise. "Trust" is something that should never be given to a company owned by stockholders, and the moment you give Google your's is the moment they will turn bad beyond recognition. So yeah, asshole move Google. And I'm talking to you: But then, what can you expect of the FP hivemind. It's like 1984 here sometimes.[/QUOTE] you make the assumption I don't like apple so i'm going to take this as a gambit on your part to appear intelligent - why you'd even attempt to make this comparison is beyond a joke and clearly meant to aggravate people, not to mention your entire post is over-dramatized (shit) p.s. if you're going to contest my point, point me to a list comparing apple's recent investments and google's recent investments, thx

sometimes it's slightly disturbing just how much google own and do one day google will expand into every industry in the world [I][/I] [editline]23rd April 2012[/editline] i mean go google and [QUOTE=The golden;35686584]Bringing [B]proper[/B] Russian search results to people who speak Russian isn't important? Get your head out of your ass please.[/QUOTE] oh yeah well maybe russians should learn to speak english so they don't [I]need[/I] results in russian

[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;35686848] oh yeah well maybe russians should learn to speak english so they don't [I]need[/I] results in russian[/QUOTE] I hope you're not serious. That's the most retarded thing I've heard today.

most serious i've been in my entire life

[B]The co-founder of Russia's leading search engine, Yandex, has accused Google of abusing its dominance to shut out competitors in cyberspace.[/B] This right there made me stop reading. Because of one simple fact. Google wants to make money. They best way to do that is to be the dominant one out there. If you can't put up a fight, you're going to get taken out. Simple as that. That's how corperates work. Don't point the finger at someone else if you can't keep up. That's all on you.

I can't blame google for having success with products they invested a lot of money and work in. It's like as if a company invented affordable electric cars and the petrol companies would start to complain that these cars shut them out and are unfair competition. [editline]23rd April 2012[/editline] I mean, if there is a DEMAND for Russian search results and google can't provide them, surely people use yandex or whatever. Chrome with an inbuilt search doesn't change that demand.

I use Yandex even for an english-written search, got kind of used to it. Besides, it's not just a search engine, it provides news and important stuff. Call me an idiot, but I prefer Yandex to be honest.

[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;35686574]It's pathetic how Facepunch can fool themselves into accepting this when if it was ANY other comapany (see: Apple) you all would be raving about how "this is ridicilous! Make good products/services instead! Fuck Apple!" Jesus [B]FUCK[/B], wake up before you become no better than the Apple fanboys you despise. "Trust" is something that should never be given to a company owned by stockholders, and the moment you give Google yours is the moment they will turn bad beyond recognition. So yeah, asshole move Google. And I'm talking to you: But then, what else can you expect of the FP hivemind. It's like 1984 in here sometimes.[/QUOTE] what exactly is google doing wrong? oh no they ship their open source web browser with Google as their default search engine (can easily be changed by the user), how evil!!

[QUOTE=Jericho_Rus;35687229]I use Yandex even for an english-written search, got kind of used to it. Besides, it's not just a search engine, it provides news and important stuff. Call me an idiot, but I prefer Yandex to be honest.[/QUOTE] Hardly an idiot, just a person with an opinion. Idiots are the ones who would call you an idiot for having a choice and making one.

Whenver I install chrome the first thing it does is pop up a box asking which search engine to choose. Maybe its something else, but that gives a pretty easy choice IMO

Not sure what he's talking about with Chrome; it's very much possible and easy to add search engines to it, it's right there in settings>search. It has all of Google's competitors as options, and you can add less common search engines there as well. Can't really comment on Android on account of not having a smartphone.

So it's technically a Russian version of Bing?

[QUOTE=znk666;35687699]So it's technically a Russian version of Bing?[/QUOTE] Russian version of google. Unlike bing, it doesn't suck.

[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;35686574]It's pathetic how Facepunch can fool themselves into accepting this when if it was ANY other comapany (see: Apple) you all would be raving about how "this is ridicilous! Make good products/services instead! Fuck Apple!" Jesus [B]FUCK[/B], wake up before you become no better than the Apple fanboys you despise. "Trust" is something that should never be given to a company owned by stockholders, and the moment you give Google yours is the moment they will turn bad beyond recognition. So yeah, asshole move Google. And I'm talking to you: But then, what else can you expect of the FP hivemind. It's like 1984 in here sometimes.[/QUOTE] Purchasing a search engine and it's company to improve their own, all fair play, is the exact same thing as abusing the courts to ban all rival firms' products. Maybe if Apple bought Samsung they'd be similar, but not here. [editline]23rd April 2012[/editline] Yes, this forum is like an oppressive government that kills people

[QUOTE=The Baconator;35688007]Yes, this forum is like an oppressive government that kills people[/QUOTE] Clearly the major themes of 1984 passed over your head, or more likely - you've never read it.

Look, the point is comparing something to 1984 won't get you taken seriously, just like comparing someone to Hitler

As long as they implement the same functionality/keep the old servers running, I'm fine with this. If google gets too big, the monopoly case that will inevitably come will take care of it