Bernie Sanders is the Most Electable Candidate in Either Party - Polidicks

[QUOTE]A stunning new poll by Quinnipiac suggests Bernie Sanders is the most electable candidate in either party to be the next president of the United States. In the Quinnipiac poll Mr. Sanders would defeat Republican frontrunner Donald Trump by 8 points, while Hillary Clinton would defeat him by only 6 points. Mr. Sanders would defeat Ben Carson by 6 points, while Ms. Clinton would defeat him by only three. Mr. Sanders would defeat Texas Republican Senator Ted Cruz by 10 points, while Ms. Clinton would defeat him by five. Mr. Sanders and Ms. Clinton would both defeat Florida Republican Senator Marco Rubio by one point. While polls often show different results, there are additional polls showing the same pattern to the relative political strength of the Democratic and Republican candidates. If the Quinnipiac poll turns out to be correct the political implications are profound. It is now very plausible to argue that of all of the candidates in either party for the presidential race Bernie Sanders is more electable than Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, Ben Carson, Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio.While this astounding possibility is contrary to the almost unanimous conventional wisdom of political pundits, there are very concrete reasons it could be true. How could Ms. Clinton have a commanding lead over Mr. Sanders in every national poll of Democrats, while Mr. Trump has a huge lead over every Republican in most national polls of Republicans, while Mr. Sanders could turn out to be the most electable presidential candidate of either party in a general election? The answer, if this thesis turns out to be true, is actually simple. Presidents are elected in general elections, not in primaries and caucuses that choose the nominees. General elections are not decided by the pool of voters in the Democratic and Republican nominating campaigns but by the broader poll of voters in the general election campaign where the winner is usually the candidate who can win the most votes from political independents and members of the other party in the decisive vote on Election Day on the first Tuesday in November. It is very possible Ms. Clinton could have a strong lead among registered Democrats but because her negative ratings are high and her trust ratings are low she could have difficulty winning the votes of many political independents and Republicans, compared to Mr. Sanders. It is equally possible that for the very reasons Mr. Trump holds a strong lead among Republicans he antagonizes large numbers of independents and Democrats, compared to Mr. Sanders. The most intriguing and important variables that explain why Mr. Sanders can now make a credible case that he is more electable than any other Democratic or Republican candidate for president are these: First, Mr. Sanders has very high ratings for integrity, trust and authenticity in an election year where large numbers of voters feel strong distrust for major political figures and media institutions. Second, Mr. Sanders embodies a pure play candidate for a progressive populist agenda that has powerful and, I would argue, majority support from American voters. Mr. Sanders campaigns against the corruptions of money that plague American politics—in favor of major reforms of Wall Street to make our financial system more fair, for a free public college education financed by a transaction tax on Wall Street speculation, for an increase in social security benefits at a time when next year Americans will receive no cost of living increases in social security benefits, and for a Medicare-for-all health care program that would dramatically lower health care costs far more than ObamaCare or GOP plans to repeal ObamaCare without offering any credible alternative. These positions all have strong support from voters and are offered by a candidate with a strong reputation for championing major reforms and income inequality with high levels of credibility and trust. I have argued since 2007 that America is ready for a progressive populist revolution in the tradition of presidents such as Theodore and Franklin Roosevelt. In 2007 and 2008 I strongly supported the election of President Obama who promised such change, which ultimately proved illusory which is why I long ago confessed my support for Mr. Obama was not my wisest political choice. The Quinnipiac poll, and other similar polls, provide strong data-based support for the case that progressive populism, not conservatism, is the wave of the future that Americans prefer if given the choice. While some polls show similar results and others do not, I would propose one thought for today: In the coming Democratic debates Mr. Sanders can make a more credible case than any other Democrat or Republican running for president that he is the most electable candidate, in either party, in the 2016 campaign.[/QUOTE] Source: [url]http://observer.com/2015/12/shock-poll-bernie-sanders-is-the-most-electable-candidate-in-either-party/[/url]

Let's hope it actually turns out like this as well.

Okay, so what about against Rand?

Let's hope people don't skip on voting him because "nobody else votes for him anyway"

[QUOTE=Orkel;49239097]Let's hope people don't skip on voting him because "nobody else votes for him anyway"[/QUOTE] I'm going to stop by the library and register to vote this week, and then I'm going to go vote for Sanders in the primaries, and absentee the election. I honestly think this is too important to skip.

I know a ton of conservatives voting for him just because they're tired of the GOP's bullshit and Sanders is the most identifiable candidate for them. The biggest thing that's hurting him among conservatives is that he calls himself a socialist and very few on the right truly understand what that means.

I'm not happy with any of the Presidential prospects. Sigh.

My gf and I are voting for Bernie :D

[quote]I have argued since 2007 that America is ready for a progressive populist revolution in the tradition of presidents such as Theodore and Franklin Roosevelt. In 2007 and 2008 I strongly supported the election of President Obama who promised such change, which ultimately proved illusory which is why I long ago confessed my support for Mr. Obama was not my wisest political choice.[/quote] Honest question: How come Sanders will be any different?

If I could vote for Bernie, I would. But as an Englishman I can't. He seems like the saner choice at the moment. Then again, anything would be a saner choice than Donald Trump, except maybe his farts.

Bernie Voters: Will never vote for Hilary ever Republicans: Will never vote for Hilary ever She can't win. Bernies reputation and honesty can win over some Republicans. If its Trump his sanity can win over Republicans.

It's a grand thing if hillary doesn't win i'd prefer better candidates overall but if i had to pick one democrat to never win, it'd be her

I'm Canadian so I can't vote sadly, but I'm going to try to getting into doing some campaigning so I can make up for it. I really really want him to win. I just outright dislike the other candidates.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49239546]Bernie Voters: Will never vote for Hilary ever Republicans: Will never vote for Hilary ever She can't win. Bernies reputation and honesty can win over some Republicans. If its Trump his sanity can win over Republicans.[/QUOTE] If it comes down to Trump v Hillary , Rubio v Hillary, or Carson v Hillary who do you sincerely think Bernie voters will go for?

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;49239639]If it comes down to Trump v Hillary , Rubio v Hillary, or Carson v Hillary who do you sincerely think Bernie voters will go for?[/QUOTE] Vermin Supreme is still in option in all of those situations.

[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;49239474]Honest question: How come Sanders will be any different?[/QUOTE] Because of his past? Because he was never a 'dem'? Becausr he remained tru to roots since hr started out in politics? Because he actually speaks his mind without giving a fuck -like, a trump fused with reason and measure-

[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;49239474]Honest question: How come Sanders will be any different?[/QUOTE] Because he already is. The man has a remarkably record up in Vermont, he's gotten a lot done. This is a guy that does things, and listens to his constituency.

if he win's how easy is it to get a amercian pass port from canada?

I'm voting for Austin Petersen. I dislike Sanders, and generally everyone else running. Although Sanders is better than the others, too many issues with him to allow me to vote for him. Same reason I dropped Rand. Honestly, I don't see how any of the frontrunners are electable.

[QUOTE=Pilot1215;49239838]I'm voting for Austin Petersen. I dislike Sanders, and generally everyone else running. Although Sanders is better than the others, too many issues with him to allow me to vote for him. Same reason I dropped Rand. Honestly, I don't see how any of the frontrunners are electable.[/QUOTE] If I have to ask "literally who" then he has no chance and youre wasting a vote.

[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;49239797]if he win's how easy is it to get a amercian pass port from canada?[/QUOTE] Well he'll have a Republican house, unlike Obama that had a democratic majority in everything and squandered it.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49239154]I know a ton of conservatives voting for him just because they're tired of the GOP's bullshit and Sanders is the most identifiable candidate for them. The biggest thing that's hurting him among conservatives is that he calls himself a socialist and very few on the right truly understand what that means.[/QUOTE] It's funny if you think about it, we hate Socialism because we associate it with all the [I]Socialist Republic of ________[/I], yet we do not apply the same logic to all the [I]Democratic (People's) Republic of ________[/I] out there because we know what Democracy is, so we know the name is a lie.

[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;49239797]if he win's how easy is it to get a amercian pass port from canada?[/QUOTE] Stay in Canada. Take it from me, your government is far ahead of ours in terms of taking care of their citizens, even if/when Bernie gets elected.

Sanders will be a lame duck at most. You can't base all of your plans and ideas on "Its fine, Wall Street and the 1% will pay for it all" when Wall Street has a large amount of politicians in their pockets. Good luck passing anything.

What sucks is Hillary already has 15% of the Democrat delegates before a single vote has been cast thanks to the superdelegate system, he has to win almost 2/3rds of the delegates to even be a contender

[QUOTE=-nesto-;49239948]Sanders will be a lame duck at most. You can't base all of your plans and ideas on "Its fine, Wall Street and the 1% will pay for it all" when Wall Street has a large amount of politicians in their pockets. Good luck passing anything.[/QUOTE] The idea is that he'll actually make an effort to expose the corruption and fucked up things going on behind big business and legislation that shouldn't be happening, IMO. At least he will if it constantly interferes with him.

On the bright side, I turned my mother's boyfriend, a Hillary supporter, into a Bernie supporter. Benghazi might have helped, but that's still one more vote for Sanders.

I think Bernie winning the Presidency or even the Democrats nomination for that matter is more idealistic than realistic.

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;49240025]I think Bernie winning the Presidency or even the Democrats nomination for that matter is more idealistic than realistic.[/QUOTE] Even if it is, Vote for him if he represents the most ideal candidate, which IMO compared to the likely alternatives, he is.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;49239870]If I have to ask "literally who" then he has no chance and youre wasting a vote.[/QUOTE] Google him. Possible Libertarian nominee. If it ain't him, it'll possibly be Johnson again, and everyone should know who he is, speaking he is a former Governor. I'm doing what a few percent of this country does by casting a "protest" vote. Third parties aren't given the time of day, when their entry would be a game changer. Democrats and Republicans have built up a false two party system, and it's total BS. I refuse to vote for anyone who supports GMO labelling, anyone who has supported woo peddlers in the past etc. Sanders has done all of that.