"Vapes produce formaldehyde" researchers called out for misleading cancer exaggerations - Polidicks

[quote]Today, New York Times columnist Joe Nocera takes on that study and more or less forces one of the researchers to back down on the claims. From the column:[/quote] [quote]When I spoke to David Peyton, one of the study’s authors, he insisted that the study had been mischaracterized. All it was meant to do, he said, was compare the levels of formaldehyde in e-cigarettes versus cigarettes. “It is exceedingly frustrating to me that we are being associated with saying that e-cigarettes are more dangerous than cigarettes,” he added. “That is a fact not in evidence.” Well, maybe. When I read him the tweet from the New England Journal of Medicine — “Authors project higher cancer risk than smoking” — he sounded horrified. “I didn’t see the tweet,” he said. “I regret that. That is not my opinion.” “There is a lot we don’t yet know about e-cigarettes,” said Peyton toward the end of our conversation. He is right about that; e-cigarettes are still so new that they need to be studied carefully. And he and his co-authors are planning further studies. Perhaps the next time, they will produce something that doesn’t serve mainly as a scare tactic to keep smokers away from e-cigarettes.[/quote] [url]http://reason.com/blog/2015/01/27/anti-vaping-researchers-called-out-for-m[/url]

So if my e-cig is actually on fire it may generate formaldehyde

[QUOTE=Sableye;47034392]So if my e-cig is actually on fire it may generate formaldehyde[/QUOTE] /!\/!\ WARNING /!\/!\ [sp]inhaling smoke is bad[/sp] Edit: Christ take a joke you dinguses

[QUOTE=DeadCow;47034406]/!\/!\ WARNING /!\/!\ [sp]inhaling smoke is bad[/sp][/QUOTE] Vapes make vapour, not smoke. Christ man come on, it's in the god damn name.

In general, you shouldn't be breathing in anything that isn't oxygen, Rapscallion. I'm not going to state this as an ultimate fact because I don't know, but this is the rule of thumb I've always lived by.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;47034464]In general, you shouldn't be breathing in anything that isn't oxygen, Rapscallion. I'm not going to state this as an ultimate fact because I don't know, but this is the rule of thumb I've always lived by.[/QUOTE] Pure oxygen will kill you. Pneumonia followed by death.

Air isn't even mostly oxygen

Well, what I meant is unpolluted air. :(

Only breathe the shit that keeps you alive is my policy. A kid in my class once let me try his vape, and I didn't see the appeal in it other then the scents each person has.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;47034464]In general, you shouldn't be breathing in anything that isn't oxygen, Rapscallion. I'm not going to state this as an ultimate fact because I don't know, but this is the rule of thumb I've always lived by.[/QUOTE] Our atmosphere is 78% nitrogen and that's not taking into account pollution particulates, pollen or any of the other millions of compounds your breathing in. Oh and also when you smell things, it means you're breathing them in. Come on man are you even trying?

Well, you're not supposed to be breathing pollution. You can breathe in small amounts of stuff like pollen but you shouldn't be breathing in concentrated amounts of anything but air. And no, I'm not really trying because I don't have all of the facts when it comes to this. This is just something that I've heard and don't have a reason to disagree with.

honestly some vapes smell p good so I honestly prefer it to sneak deadly gangster second hand cigarette smoke and tobacco

[QUOTE=Rapscallion92;47034444]Vapes make vapour, not smoke. Christ man come on, it's in the god damn name.[/QUOTE] Don't you think I know that? I was making a joke, since the person I quoted referred to "actually being on fire"

[QUOTE=wauterboi;47034562]Well, you're not supposed to be breathing pollution. You can breathe in small amounts of stuff like pollen but you shouldn't be breathing in concentrated amounts of anything but air. And no, I'm not really trying because I don't have all of the facts when it comes to this. This is just something that I've heard and don't have a reason to disagree with.[/QUOTE] You don't really have a choice mate, pollution is everywhere humans are, if you walk past a road then you're sucking in lungfuls of combustion particulates. Your lungs can handle a lot of shit, just don't beat them relentlessly, they have no problems with vapour itself and ideally there should only be vapour when dealing with vapes.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;47034464]In general, you shouldn't be breathing in anything that isn't oxygen, Rapscallion. I'm not going to state this as an ultimate fact because I don't know, but this is the rule of thumb I've always lived by.[/QUOTE] Oh shit then that ~73% nitrogen in the atmosphere is probably as bad as gleuton mkay

Well, yeah. There's a [url=http://airnow.gov/index.cfm?action=aqibasics.aqi]US government website[/url] devoted to determining air quality based on factors like pollution and stuff seeing as pollution isn't good for you. I get what you're saying though. [editline]29th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Sableye;47034659]Oh shit then that ~73% nitrogen in the atmosphere is probably as bad as gleuton mkay[/QUOTE] Read the rest of the thread before posting

Solder smoke never hurt a man.

Scaremongering at it's finest

I'm wondering what these guys are gaining with these scaremongering misuse of studies. Would there be a way for them to get extra money from this?

[QUOTE=wauterboi;47034710]I'm wondering what these guys are gaining with these scaremongering studies. Would there be a way for them to get extra money from this?[/QUOTE] Almost everyone I know who has one of those vapes is trying to quit smoking, or at least reduce their tobacco intake so yeah I can imagine there's a lot of money to be made by stopping the sale of these. I mean you're talking about taking profits from the entire tobacco industry.

[QUOTE=Rapscallion92;47034719]Almost everyone I know who has one of those vapes is trying to quit smoking, or at least reduce their tobacco intake so yeah I can imagine there's a lot of money to be made by stopping the sale of these. I mean you're talking about taking profits from the entire tobacco industry.[/QUOTE] Except big tobacco has spent billions on developing the vapes till now and account for probably the vast majority of e-cig sales. They want cartridge sales but they'll get on top of refillable tanks very soon. Also once the fda actually gets involved with regulations they will shut out small businesses

Air is way too dangerous, I only breathe water

[QUOTE=Sableye;47034786]Except big tobacco has spent billions on developing the vapes till now and account for probably the vast majority of e-cig sales[/QUOTE] Well good stuff, but I can't imagine all of them are pleased that they're gonna be losing out on moolah.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;47034710]I'm wondering what these guys are gaining with these scaremongering misuse of studies. Would there be a way for them to get extra money from this?[/QUOTE] Vapor cigs are a small but important social movement in the US, not just an innovation. Most people find it more acceptable to do in public places and indoors, so as far as I can tell, there's a subtle encouragement for everyone to switch over, whether or not they're trying to quit. Any time there's a social movement, there's going to be detractors based on pure skepticism alone. I remember a lesson we had in sociology where the professor talked about emission standards, and how there are people nonsensically modifying their old cars to produce more pollution in an effort to "protest." Although the scientific community is made up of educated people, they're still people, and they're susceptible to bias. Regardless of whether or not they took any money from an unethical source, the team was likely made up of naysayers from the start who were trying to prove a result rather than study effects.

It sounds like they just misconstrued their source.

Although e-cigs might not be as safe as breathing air, they are a damn lot better than cigarettes. For those wondering, there are 5 main ingredients to the liquid you put in an e-cig: Water (distilled), vegetable glycerin (which as far as I know isn't harmful), propelene glycol (you find it in most essential oils, can be used as a fat binder, not harmful), flavourings (which I can't comment on due the the various make-ups of flavours, though they are generally esters ( (RO)OR' for those interested in chemistry, not harmful, easily broken down in the body to useful compounds)) and nicotine (which is harmful, was once used as a pesticide, but it's also found in normal cigarettes so doesn't really matter when comparing them). Hope that helped (I'm studying chemistry and very happily smoke my strawberry flavour ecig, even though I can enjoy a nice cigarette from time to time)

Is there even an e-cig that can vape that hard without being modified? It just doesn't seem feasible.

[QUOTE=Tetsmega;47037673]Is there even an e-cig that can vape that hard without being modified? It just doesn't seem feasible.[/QUOTE] take any variable voltage battery, a cheap tank, and crank it all the way up. it will burn There are setups designed to run at those high voltages, but consumer grade ecigs are almost exclusively single or dual coil and 1.5-2.1ohm, only really needing about 3.5-4v on avg. non-VV eGo batteries are 3.7 volts, which are still quite popular for new vapers They are very simple devices, it's a metal coil around a wick, usually silica in cheap shit. Most people use cotton in their mods/rebuildables