Obama ready to share nuclear secrets with Russia; ignores congressional approval clause - Polidicks

[quote=WashingtonTimes.com]President Obama signaled Congress this week that he is prepared to share U.S. missile defense secrets with Russia. In the president’s signing statement issued Saturday in passing into law the fiscal 2012 defense authorization bill, Mr. Obama said restrictions aimed at protecting top-secret technical data on U.S. Standard Missile-3 velocity burnout parameters might impinge on his constitutional foreign policy authority. As first disclosed in this space several weeks ago, U.S. officials are planning to provide Moscow with the SM-3 data, despite reservations from security officials who say that doing so could compromise the effectiveness of the system by allowing Russian weapons technicians to counter the missile. The weapons are considered some of the most effective high-speed interceptors in the U.S. missile defense arsenal. There are also concerns that Russia could share the secret data with China and rogue states such as Iran and North Korea to help their missile programs defeat U.S. missile defenses. Officials from the State Department and Missile Defense Agency have discussed the idea of providing the SM-3 data to the Russians as part of the so-far fruitless missile-defense talks with Moscow, headed in part of by Undersecretary of State Ellen Tauscher, who defense officials say is a critic of U.S. missile defenses. [B]Their thinking is that if the Russians know the technical data, it will help allay Moscow’s fears that the planned missile defenses in Europe would be used against Russian ICBMs.[/B] Officials said current SM-3s are not fast enough to catch long-range Russian missiles, but a future variant may have some anti-ICBM capabilities. Ms. Tauscher has repeatedly denied that her talks with the Russians are secret. However, the administration has provided almost no briefings about the talks to Congress, which prompted critics of the talks to include language in the new defense spending law limiting data-sharing. Section 1227 of the defense law prohibits spending any funds that would be used to give Russian officials access to sensitive missile-defense technology, as part of a cooperation agreement without first sending Congress a report identifying the specific secrets, how they would be used and steps to protect the data from compromise. The president also must certify to Congress that Russia will not share the secrets with other states and that it will not help Russia “to develop countermeasures” to U.S. defenses. The certification also must show whether Russia is providing equal access to its missile defense technologies, which are mainly nuclear-tipped anti-missile interceptors. [B]Mr. Obama said in the signing statement that he would treat the legal restrictions as “non-binding.”[/B] [B]“While my administration intends to keep the Congress fully informed of the status of U.S. efforts to cooperate with the Russian Federation on ballistic missile defense, my administration will also interpret and implement section 1244 in a manner that does not interfere with the president’s constitutional authority to conduct foreign affairs and avoids the undue disclosure of sensitive diplomatic communications,” Mr. Obama said, incorrectly identifying the section of the law containing the restrictions.[/B][/quote] The reason behind, for those who are lazy: [quote]Their thinking is that if the Russians know the technical data, it will help allay Moscow’s fears that the planned missile defenses in Europe would be used against Russian ICBMs.[/quote] ...which is some pretty stupid reasoning, if you ask me. That [i]is[/i] why they're there. We have no other major military contenders in the region. [url=http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jan/4/inside-the-ring-215329133/?page=2]Source.[/url]

Obama is one stupid SOB.

[I]''Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer''[/I]

[QUOTE=Radley;34064309][I]''Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer''[/I][/QUOTE] Giving your enemies information regarding your most important defense installations is a bit [I]too[/I] close.

[QUOTE=That Poster;34064286]The reason behind, for those who are lazy: ...which is some pretty stupid reasoning, if you ask me. That [i]is[/i] why they're there. We have no other major military contenders in the region. [url=http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jan/4/inside-the-ring-215329133/?page=2]Source.[/url][/QUOTE] No it isn't. We are concerned about everyone BUT Russia. We spent half a century with missiles aimed at each other. Neither of us is stupid enough to go through with it.

[QUOTE=That Poster;34064286]...which is some pretty stupid reasoning, if you ask me. That [i]is[/i] why they're there.[/QUOTE] No, they're there in case a country like Iran gets nukes.

You've got to be a moron to do this. I mean if you're doing this at least get Russia's missile specs in return, don't just give them information fuck.

[quote]“While my administration intends to keep the Congress fully informed of the status of U.S. efforts to cooperate with the Russian Federation on ballistic missile defense, my administration will also interpret and implement section 1244 in a manner that does not interfere with the president’s constitutional authority to conduct foreign affairs and avoids the undue disclosure of sensitive diplomatic communications,” Mr. Obama said, incorrectly identifying the section of the law containing the restrictions.[/quote] haha fuck congress yo russia peep these missile docs!! seriously now he's just being a cunt

So Obama really was a Communist.

Obama is just begging to not finish his 4th year with this.

I don't see why everyone is so against this, America has been telling Russia for months that the missile defense isn't to be used against Russia and now they're just showing proof of it.

[QUOTE=Electrocuter;34064428]I don't see why everyone is so against this, America has been telling Russia for months that the missile defense isn't to be used against Russia and now they're just showing proof of it.[/QUOTE] What else would the missile defense systems be for? And who's to say that Russia won't sell the info off to, say, North Korea or Iran?

[QUOTE=Electrocuter;34064428]I don't see why everyone is so against this, America has been telling Russia for months that the missile defense isn't to be used against Russia and now they're just showing proof of it.[/QUOTE] By showing them the specifications of our missiles. Why wasn't it made into a missile spec swap like I've said where we show Russia our missiles and they show us theirs.

If our claim is not to use them against Russian ICBM's, then I see no issue in opening up the possibility for them to counter that defense - reason being they won't. Whether or not I agree with that strategy is another matter, but that is the train of thought I'm seeing.

I knew it! hes workin for them dern commies

[QUOTE=GunFox;34064341]No it isn't. We are concerned about everyone BUT Russia. We spent half a century with missiles aimed at each other. Neither of us is stupid enough to go through with it.[/QUOTE] The relationship between the US and Russia is still strenuous. Sure, we're not on the brink of war or anything, but we aren't exactly best buds. It doesn't help that Russia is in semi-good standing with Iran and China, either.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;34064454]What else would the missile defense systems be for? And who's to say that Russia won't sell the info off to, say, North Korea or Iran?[/QUOTE] I think the missile defense system could (although I doubt the us would) as a weapon to launch them at Russian soil.

[QUOTE=StickyNade;34064480]If our claim is not to use them against Russian ICBM's, then I see no issue in opening up the possibility for them to counter that defense - reason being they won't. Whether or not I agree with that strategy is another matter, but that is the train of thought I'm seeing.[/QUOTE] But he's also bypassing Congress in order to do this too. As I understood things, Obama is the Cheif Diplomat of the US, but he has no real ability to enter into deals with other countries, that is Congress's job.

[QUOTE=That Poster;34064527]The relationship between the US and Russia is still strenuous. Sure, we're not on the brink of war or anything, but we aren't exactly best buds. It doesn't help that Russia is in semi-good standing with Iran and China, either.[/QUOTE] Russia has the potential to be an excellent ally though. If we can get over the cold war mentality and work closely with Russia, not only would they generally make a great ally, but the flow of Russian hardware into unfriendly nations might slow. Overall it makes strategic sense to be best buds with Russia. [editline]5th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=purvisdavid1;34064555]But he's also bypassing Congress in order to do this too. As I understood things, Obama is the Cheif Diplomat of the US, but he has no real ability to enter into deals with other countries, that is Congress's job.[/QUOTE] Chief diplomat and commander of the armed forces. This is a mixture of diplomatic and military strategy, sounds to me like it is exactly his job description.

[QUOTE=GunFox;34064622]Russia has the potential to be an excellent ally though. If we can get over the cold war mentality and work closely with Russia, not only would they generally make a great ally, but the flow of Russian hardware into unfriendly nations might slow. Overall it makes strategic sense to be best buds with Russia.[/QUOTE] No doubt, but this is not how you do it. [QUOTE=GunFox;34064622]Chief diplomat and commander of the armed forces. This is a mixture of diplomatic and military strategy, sounds to me like it is exactly his job description.[/QUOTE] You are wrong. He is Chief diplomat and commander in chief, but he still does not have the right to enter into deals with other governments. Congress are the ones who sign treaties, they're the ones who SHOULD say if this goes or not.

Nothing wrong with this. People and nations fear what they don't know. If this can make Russia calm down so you can have protection against potential ICBM launches from Iran, why not do that.

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;34064555]But he's also bypassing Congress in order to do this too. As I understood things, Obama is the Cheif Diplomat of the US, but he has no real ability to enter into deals with other countries, that is Congress's job.[/QUOTE] I guess Obama's had it with a republican-held Congress messing with shit he's trying to get done.

inb4 Glenn Beck

[QUOTE=CyrusTehSage;34064390]So Obama really was a Communist.[/QUOTE] Which reminds me, John MccCain of all people spent 5 years if i recall with communists, they gave him free food, water, and a place to sleep. they're all communists.

[QUOTE=Jacknife;34064899]inb4 Glenn Beck[/QUOTE] Also Fox News: [url]http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2012/01/05/red-scare-obama-plans-share-nuke-secrets-russia[/url] RED SCARE.

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;34064675]No doubt, but this is not how you do it. You are wrong. He is Chief diplomat and commander in chief, but he still does not have the right to enter into deals with other governments. Congress are the ones who sign treaties, they're the ones who SHOULD say if this goes or not.[/QUOTE] This isn't a treaty, though. It's just sharing military information.

I think he just wants to get thrown out of the country so he doesn't have to deal with this shit

Uh, I don't know if I'm not catching the sarcasm or not, but you guys DO know Russia isn't a communism, right?

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;34064937]I think he just wants to get thrown out of the country so he doesn't have to deal with this shit[/QUOTE] I guess when you have to put up with the same shit Obama had to put up from the republicans, you'd snap too :v:

So you stole all of your shit from us germans after WW2 and now you share it. Good work.