Even with that, there's actually more support for Hamas. People see death, they start throwing hiss fits. Israel then, has to apologize for being brilliant with protecting it's citizens and deterring these piece of shit war criminals with everything we've got.
300 million dollars on Iron Dome, and Hamas and the Palestinians are being victimized. Hamas is a vile enemy that will not stop at anything and shouldn't be taken lightly.
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;45552404]okay[/QUOTE]
Oh fuck off. Pathetic.
There's a tunnel leading to the dinning room of a kibbutz. We captured 150 Hamas fighters and they were interrogated.
[QUOTE]okay[/QUOTE]
What makes that any different from the sources in Gaza? The ones everyone eats up like a fat kid in a cookie store. Hell, if you ask Hamas they'll fucking admit it. Why would they ever try to deny an attempt at killing civilians?
I'd hate to be any of those IDF soldiers who had to go into the tunnels to clear them out. I'd feel a bit more comfortable on the Hamas side, but honestly, the very idea of tunnel fighting makes me uncomfortable.
I was wondering why Hamas had dug so many tunnels, and I guess this is the reason why.
[QUOTE]I was wondering why Hamas had dug so many tunnels, and I guess this is the reason why.[/QUOTE]
They got all this humanitarian aid they stole from Gazans. I'm genuinely worried for the future of Gaza.
[QUOTE=Marceline;45552423]What makes that any different from the sources in Gaza? The ones everyone eats up like a fat kid in a cookie store. Hell, if you ask Hamas they'll fucking admit it. Why would they ever try to deny an attempt at killing civilians?[/QUOTE]
There are usually plenty of sources from unrelated third parties.
[QUOTE=Falubii;45552552]There are usually plenty of sources from unrelated third parties.[/QUOTE]
Quite a lot of those take word from one of the sides anyway.
[QUOTE=Seith;45552401]Even with that, there's actually more support for Hamas. People see death, they start throwing hiss fits. Israel then, has to apologize for being brilliant with protecting it's citizens and deterring these piece of shit war criminals with everything we've got.
300 million dollars on Iron Dome, and Hamas and the Palestinians are being victimized. Hamas is a vile enemy that will not stop at anything and shouldn't be taken lightly.[/QUOTE]
It's almost like people feel sympathy with a bunch of people who, for the most part, have little say in their own self determination because of entities such as Hamas or the Israeli government. Perhaps people also feel sympathy due to the large civilian crises created by repeated conflicts or the continued restriction what goods can be imported into the area. This sympathy no doubt can be held in unison with any amount of other sympathies, such as one for Israeli civilians who need the Iron Dome in the first place. As neither contradict the other.
[QUOTE=Marceline;45552423]What makes that any different from the sources in Gaza?[B] The ones everyone eats up like a fat kid in a cookie store[/B]. Hell, if you ask Hamas they'll fucking admit it. Why would they ever try to deny an attempt at killing civilians?[/QUOTE]
So you are saying that every thing that is reported in Gaza is a lie? and shit from Israeli news site are the only true news?
[QUOTE=Seith;45552448][img]http://i.imgur.com/kexTRH4.jpg[/img]
"supplies"[/QUOTE]
woah sick i took the yassin line to work just the other day
[QUOTE=Bucketboy;45552708]So you are saying that every thing that is reported in Gaza is a lie? and shit from Israeli news site are the only true news?[/QUOTE]
No, what he is saying the you should give attention to both israeli sources and gazan equally.
[QUOTE=Seith;45552717]No, what he is saying the you should give attention to both israeli sources and gazan equally.[/QUOTE]
Naturally. However when all you have is three dubious sources quoting the same even more dubious shitty source (an anonymous Israeli security source), it should be taken with a huge grain of salt.
[QUOTE=Seith;45552448][img]http://i.imgur.com/kexTRH4.jpg[/img]
"supplies"[/QUOTE]
And still gets you faster and more efficient than the London metro.
[QUOTE=Marceline;45552423]What makes that any different from the sources in Gaza? The ones everyone eats up like a fat kid in a cookie store. Hell, if you ask Hamas they'll fucking admit it. Why would they ever try to deny an attempt at killing civilians?[/QUOTE]
literally never seen a negative news thread posted here about israel that wasn't from the bbc or some other similar mainstream, western news source. if there have been i'm sure they were locked almost instantly for being from a stupid biased source that can't be trusted - just like this thread should be until it gets a legitimate source
i rarely speak up in these israel/hamas threads but if i saw an anti-isreal article posted by '[I]hamas weekly - all your top stories on hamas gossip![/I]' i'd also call out that thread for having a shit source
don't try and pin me down on one or another side of the facepunch hivemind on this subject because there's no evidence that i swing particuarly either way
[QUOTE=Seith;45552717]No, what he is saying the you should give attention to both israeli sources and gazan equally.[/QUOTE]
no you shouldn't give attention to either of them
[QUOTE=Seith;45552419][I]We[/I] captured 150 Hamas fighters[/QUOTE]
creepy nationalism
Both sides are stupid and violent ok
Some less terrible sources.
[URL="http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Hamas-planned-wholesale-slaughter-of-Kibbutz-Sufa-members-says-Peres-363222"]Jpost[/URL] reporting a speech by Peres, Israel's president, mentioning the plot in question.
There's [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/07/26/some-israel-gaza-notes/"]this[/URL] from the Washington Post (see item 3), but I think its a guest blog post and not an official report.
There's [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/19/world/middleeast/hamas-gaza-strip-tunnels-led-to-israels-invasion.html?gwh=8219ED3977A5F624D0F0E8769C514DD6&gwt=pay&assetType=nyt_now"]this[/URL] from NY Times but it's behind a paywall so I'm not sure it's on topic.
Anyway, all reports originate in Israel and are therefor biased, but at least its official.
these tunnels were built using the construction materials that were initially banned going into gaza right?
the ban people complained about being heavy handed?
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;45553142]these tunnels were built using the construction materials that were initially banned going into gaza right?
the ban people complained about being heavy handed?[/QUOTE]
In some cases they were built using UN materials.
[URL="http://news.walla.co.il/?w=/2689/2769368"]This article[/URL] (Hebrew) has photos taken inside tunnels showing bags of building materials labeled UNRWA.
[QUOTE]creepy nationalism [/QUOTE]
Since when did affiliating with your country become nationalism? Would you prefer the world to be filled with marauders with no national identity or sense of community? Hell, given the failure of any sort of unity now a days, it could end up like this.
[QUOTE=Marceline;45556561]Since when did affiliating with your country become nationalism? Would you prefer the world to be filled with marauders with no national identity or sense of community? Hell, given the failure of any sort of unity now a days, it could end up like this.[/QUOTE]
Remember there's a difference between European and American nationalism and patriotism. A lot of what americans consider to be merely patriotic, many europeans consider dangerously nationalist.
[QUOTE]Remember there's a difference between European and American nationalism and patriotism. A lot of what americans consider to be merely patriotic, many europeans consider dangerously nationalist.[/QUOTE]
He italicized 'we', as if to make the point that saying your national identity was a form of nationalism. If I say 'I'm an American' or 'I'm Finnish' am I a nationalist?
[QUOTE=wraithcat;45556807]Remember there's a difference between European and American [B]nationalism[/B] and [B]patriotism[/B].[/QUOTE]
Difference being?
And about that "We caught and tortured X" thing... saying "[I]We[/I]", means very little. They may be nationalistic but that's not good evidence.
[QUOTE=Marceline;45556934]He italicized 'we', as if to make the point that saying your national identity was a form of nationalism. If I say 'I'm an American' or 'I'm Finnish' am I a nationalist?[/QUOTE]
no that's not why i italicized it at all. that is terrible reading comprehension
he didn't just identify as being israeli, he identified with soldiers employed by the state to do a job as though, by extension of being israeli, he was involved in the capture. it's a nationalistic pride. if british soldiers were marauding through scotland, shelling hospitals and schools, and 150 scottish fighters were captured, i would say "british soldiers captured 150 soldiers". not [I]we[/I]. i wouldn't be associated with the military actions, nor would i want to be, and nor would i be proud of those military actions. i would still be british but i would not be involved with the military actions instigated by the government that, reprehensibly, represents me (assuming i voted for the party in power)
it's nationalism. it's archaic
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;45556992]no that's not why i italicized it at all. that is terrible reading comprehension
he didn't just identify as being israeli, he identified with soldiers employed by the state to do a job as though, by extension of being israeli, he was involved in the capture. it's a nationalistic pride. if british soldiers were marauding through scotland, shelling hospitals and schools, and 150 scottish fighters were captured, i would say "british soldiers captured 150 soldiers". not [I]we[/I]. i wouldn't be associated with the military actions, nor would i want to be, and nor would i be proud of those military actions. i would still be british but i would not be involved with the military actions instigated by the government that, reprehensibly, represents me (assuming i voted for the party in power)
it's nationalism. it's archaic[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't call it archaic, I would definitely call it toxic.
I really wouldn't be surprised if he and Marceline were having great time partying with the nightly "death to all Arabs" crowd in Israel.
[QUOTE]I really wouldn't be surprised if he and Marceline were having great time partying with the nightly "death to all Arabs" crowd in Israel.[/QUOTE]
That's a very terrible and impotent statement to make. It's not the Palestinian's fault that they've got to deal with Hamas, and what's happening is horrible. That's the equivalent of me calling you an active member of Hamas, which you are not- you'd likely get shot before you make it pass the door.
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;45556992]no that's not why i italicized it at all. that is terrible reading comprehension
he didn't just identify as being israeli, he identified with soldiers employed by the state to do a job as though, by extension of being israeli, he was involved in the capture. it's a nationalistic pride. if british soldiers were marauding through scotland, shelling hospitals and schools, and 150 scottish fighters were captured, i would say "british soldiers captured 150 soldiers". not [I]we[/I]. i wouldn't be associated with the military actions, nor would i want to be, and nor would i be proud of those military actions. i would still be british but i would not be involved with the military actions instigated by the government that, reprehensibly, represents me (assuming i voted for the party in power)
it's nationalism. it's archaic[/QUOTE]
I think you're looking into it far to much.
When the Ravens won the superbowl, I said "We won the superbowl!"
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