Tories promise 1984 30 years late - Polidicks

[quote]Theresa May has accused the Liberal Democrats of “outrageous irresponsibility” for “torpedoing” the communications data bill known as the snooper’s charter, and vowed that a Conservative government will introduce it. The Liberal Democrats responded by revealing that they had blocked the immediate implementation of the home secretary’s new proposals to ban extremists from the web and the airwaves because she had provided no evidence that they would be effective or were necessary. The home secretary made a chilling speech to the Conservative conference in which she highlighted the scale of the threat to Britain from Islamic State (Isis) and stressed the need to “defeat the ideology that lies behind the threat”. ... May also wants to include restrictions on banned individuals from broadcasting, from associating with named people, and [b]restricting their use of social media or the internet by requiring them to submit in advance any proposed publication to the police.[/b][/quote] [url]http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/30/theresa-may-tory-government-snoopers-charter[/url]

[quote]“defeat the ideology that lies behind the threat”.[/quote] "We aim to defeat this ideology, so opposed to freedom of speech and human rights, by ourselves denying peoples rights and their freedom of speech."

This is why the libdems are on the way out.

when will theresa may finally die

[QUOTE=BrainDeath;46112784]when will theresa may finally die[/QUOTE] When she attacks luke skywalker [img]http://flapadar.co.uk/img/2014-09-30-14-04-23.png[/img]

this plus boris johnsons remarks last month about presuming all people who go to places like Syria or Iraq guilty before innocent makes you think if the conservatives have any regards for human rights at all

[QUOTE=Marzipas;46112984]this plus boris johnsons remarks last month about presuming all people who go to places like Syria or Iraq guilty before innocent makes you think if the conservatives have any regards for human rights at all[/QUOTE] I'd totally understand getting an intercept warrant and/or surveillance on someone who booked a one way ticket to Syria but the "revoke their passport" comment was too far I thought.

Just once I'd like them to name a bill 'Order 66'

Nah I'd rather gamble terrorist attacks than guarantee freedoms being taken from innocents.

I don't think they realise restricting freedoms isn't goin to get them votes, it's just a start and then after this they can easily implement harsher and more 1984 esque measures

[QUOTE=Killergam;46112782]This is why the libdems are on the way out.[/QUOTE] ... Because they vetoed this bill to stop the Conservative party from enacting it? Enjoy your hate-boner against Nick Clegg. I'm pretty certain that man's on suicide watch by now, he's somehow even less popular than the Prime Minister.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46114183]... Because they vetoed this bill to stop the Conservative party from enacting it? Enjoy your hate-boner against Nick Clegg. I'm pretty certain that man's on suicide watch by now, he's somehow even less popular than the Prime Minister.[/QUOTE] To be honest the lib dems should have been forcing the Tories back more than they have been. I've somewhat lost faith in them as a political party.

Also, imagining this is ridiculous. "Ah yes Mr Smith, you'd like to make a post online?" "Yes, could you please update my Facebook account saying: 'Had a great meal at Nando's tonight.', if that's okay?" [editline]30th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Flapadar;46114189]To be honest the lib dems should have been forcing the Tories back more than they have been. I've somewhat lost faith in them as a political party.[/QUOTE] The Tories have about 300 seats. The Lib-Dems have 51. Yes, clearly they have [I]so[/I] much swing in this 'coalition'.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46114198]The Tories have about 300 seats. The Lib-Dems have 51. Yes, clearly they have [I]so[/I] much swing in this 'coalition'.[/QUOTE] There's a coalition for a reason - without it, the tories don't have a majority of the seats. Have a think about what that means and thus, how much swing the lib dems [i]could[/i] have had on shitty policies if they hadn't chosen to fellate cameron

[QUOTE=Flapadar;46114236]There's a coalition for a reason - without it, the tories don't have a majority of the seats. Have a think about what that means and thus, how much swing the lib dems [i]could[/i] have had on shitty policies if they hadn't chosen to fellate cameron[/QUOTE] What are they going to say? "We will pull out of the government, putting our country in total political turmoil for which we will 100% be blamed!" It's a no-win situation for them. I'm not saying Clegg's a perfect leader, but he's not literally Hitler like some people seem to think.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46114254]What are they going to say? "We will pull out of the government, putting our country in total political turmoil for which we will 100% be blamed!" It's a no-win situation for them. I'm not saying Clegg's a perfect leader, but he's not literally Hitler like some people seem to think.[/QUOTE] "We can't stand for bedroom tax/raising tuition fees/freezing welfare to the tune of a £3bn cut/etc, sorry Tories you're on your own there"

will Theresa May just fuck off already i'll miss being able to vote next year by 4 months :suicide:

[QUOTE=Flapadar;46114264]"We can't stand for bedroom tax/raising tuition fees/freezing welfare to the tune of a £3bn cut/etc, sorry Tories you're on your own there"[/QUOTE] I'd like to hope they said these things, but in private first. Don't get me wrong, I'm disappointed that the Lib-Con government has been far more Con than Lib, but after reading an article where Nick Clegg talked about laws which the Lib-Dems had successfully vetoed (although some of those laws had been passed at a later date), I got a bit more hope for them.

Annnnddd this is why the tories are going straight out the door in the next G.E

[QUOTE=Flapadar;46114189]To be honest the lib dems should have been forcing the Tories back more than they have been. I've somewhat lost faith in them as a political party.[/QUOTE] That's true, better to have Conservatives and Lib-dems than labour any day

[QUOTE=Killergam;46117887]That's true, better to have Conservatives and Lib-dems than labour any day[/QUOTE] Any reason why?

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;46117934]Any reason why?[/QUOTE] The Economic sense of the Conservatives and the Social responsibility of the Liberals.

[QUOTE=The mouse;46118120]The Economic sense of the Conservatives and the Social responsibility of the Liberals.[/QUOTE] That conservatives have any better economic sense, or any economic sense at all is a false myth that really shouldn't be propagated anymore.

[QUOTE=MuTAnT;46118180]That conservatives have any better economic sense, or any economic sense at all is a false myth that really shouldn't be propagated anymore.[/QUOTE] History doesn't lie, pretty much throughout most of 20th century, the Conservatives have come in after Labour screwed up the economy.

[QUOTE=The mouse;46118212]History doesn't lie, pretty much throughout most of 20th century, the Conservatives have come in after Labour screwed up the economy.[/QUOTE] I'll be honest, my previous post was a trap for someone to post a thing like this. I was dissapointed when you posted the one before about economic sense. Luckily you mentioned this! Lack of regulation on the banks is the most commonly accepted blame for the last recession. True Labour didn't regulate them when they should have but it is worth noting that the tories would not have regulated them either, some tories were infact pushing for less regulation. The banks still aren't regulated and living conditions for people are not getting better (in our last discussion on UK politics I mentioned interest rates still stuck at 1% rather than 5%+ pre recession rate, minimum wage still being fixed, "austerity measures", pay freezes in public sector, all despite growth being above what it was prerecession, ie were out of it). Labout got unlucky to get landed with that, had tories been in the same thing would have happened, possibly worse since the banks might have less regulation, made more risky gambles and lost more money. You cannot base your political alignment on "tories said labour are bad, labour caused the recession" since the recession would have happened regardless of who was in. To say Labour ruined the economy is to not really understand why the recession happened in the first place.

[QUOTE=The mouse;46118212]History doesn't lie, pretty much throughout most of 20th century, the Conservatives have come in after Labour screwed up the economy.[/QUOTE] How does that prove anything other than the fact that people wanted to avoid reeelecting Labour following economic crashes?