• Battle for Aleppo has ended in 'uncompromising military victory': UN
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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeQVN4hWAAAl6qD.png[/IMG] [QUOTE]Rebel resistance in the Syrian city of Aleppo ended on Tuesday after years of fighting and months of bitter siege and bombardment that culminated in a bloody retreat, as insurgents agreed to withdraw in a ceasefire. The battle of Aleppo, one of the worst of a civil war that has drawn in global and regional powers, has ended with victory for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and his military coalition of Russia, Iran and regional Shia militias. For rebels, their expected departure with light weapons starting on Wednesday morning for opposition-held regions west of the city is a crushing blow to their hopes of ousting Assad after revolting against him during the 2011 Arab uprisings. However, the war will still be far from over, with insurgents retaining major strongholds elsewhere in Syria, and the jihadist ISIS group holding swathes of the east and recapturing the ancient city of Palmyra this week. "Over the last hour, we have received information that the military activities in east Aleppo have stopped, it has stopped," Russian United Nations Ambassador Vitaly Churkin told a heated UN Security Council meeting. "The Syrian government has established control over east Aleppo." Rebel officials said fighting would end on Tuesday evening and a source in the pro-Assad military alliance said the evacuation of fighters would begin at around dawn on Wednesday. A Reuters reporter in Aleppo said late on Tuesday that the booms of the bombardment could no longer be heard. Fighters and their families, along with civilians who have thrown in their lot with the rebels, will have until Wednesday evening to quit the city, a Turkish government source said on Tuesday. The ceasefire was negotiated by Turkey and Russia, without U.S. involvement.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/aleppo-civilians-1.3893821[/url]
what happens if/when the war in syria is over? does every country ship all the refugees back or what?
Glory to Assad! :smile:
I sincerely hope that when the war finally ends in military victory, Asad doesn't get away with all the atrocities he's caused.
[QUOTE=MrBunneh;51545304]what happens if/when the war in syria is over? does every country ship all the refugees back or what?[/QUOTE] Most refugees won't want to go back While most natives of whatever country they're in will want them to While most governments of those countries will probably come up with half-assed measures in an attempt to make both sides happy
It's good that the fighting is over, but Assad is still a brutal dictator. There are no good guys here, only degrees of bad guy.
[QUOTE=IrishBandit;51545394]It's good that the fighting is over, but Assad is still a brutal dictator. There are no good guys here, only degrees of bad guy.[/QUOTE] The SAA are one of the lesser degrees of bad guys, if only because they offer stability when this is over. If the SAA were defeated, you know very well every single group in Syria would start competing for control, and any hope for an end to the conflict this decade would be lost.
[QUOTE=MrBunneh;51545304]what happens if/when the war in syria is over? does every country ship all the refugees back or what?[/QUOTE] lol ya right...
I'll believe the victory when I see it.
To be honest, with how things have developed in Syria ever since the start of the civil war, and especially over the past two years, I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that we will not see a truly unified Syria (as unified it can be) for many decades yet.
I've heard allegations that pro-Assad forces are shooting everyone on sight. Do we have reliable accounts on what's actually happening there?
[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;51545446]To be honest, with how things have developed in Syria ever since the start of the civil war, and especially over the past two years, I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that we will not see a truly unified Syria (as unified it can be) for many decades yet.[/QUOTE] We won't. Syria is the "new" Iraq.
The West(TM) still wants Assad out of the picture. Until that happens and he is replaced with someone who agrees with western banking interests, I would imagine that it will continue to interfere by fomenting further sectarian instability and trying to keep tensions high in the area. The Syrian government is an important ally for Russia in the middle east and while that remains the case, The West (which let's face it, has more or less a single chain of command) will continue to interfere by whatever means necessary, leveraging their news media as necessary to drum up support for their version of the story. Russia will do the same from their point of view also, no doubt, in order to keep things in check.
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;51545373]I sincerely hope that when the war finally ends in military victory, Asad doesn't get away with all the atrocities he's caused.[/QUOTE] I think that should apply for both sides. The rebels have done some pretty nasty shit too.
Not sure why some people in the thread are acting like the war is over, Syria is still very very much in a civil war and there are other parts of the country in rebel hands; not to mention the Islamic State still owning a decent chunk.
[QUOTE=IrishBandit;51545394]It's good that the fighting is over, but Assad is still a brutal dictator. There are no good guys here, only degrees of bad guy.[/QUOTE] Ok so I wasnt crazy for being confused on who should I be supporting here. I thought Assad was killing citizens, but then again, the rebels arent great either.
[QUOTE=agentfazexx;51545431]I'll believe the victory when I see it.[/QUOTE] Well all rebels hostile to the Assad regime have been ousted or killed in Aleppo, so yea for now it's victory. [editline]18th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Code3Response;51545531]Ok so I wasnt crazy for being confused on who should I be supporting here. I thought Assad was killing citizens, but then again, the rebels arent great either.[/QUOTE] Assad was/is killing civilians, but so is pretty much everyone else. [i]Somebody[/i] went around post-agreement and started killing families in their homes and some group has been blocking the evacuation of 50,000 or so civilians in Aleppo. ISIS is one of the many ultra-shitty groups that popped up during the Syrian Civil War. Everyone kind of sucks, theres no one you really ought to be supporting here.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51545410]The SAA are one of the lesser degrees of bad guys, if only because they offer stability when this is over.[/QUOTE] They were the ones in power when the war started in the first place...
before you pull of the assad dictator, evil syrian army killing civilians, rebels are only fighting for a cause and they don't attack innocent bullshit, you need to remember that there isn't a fine line between a civilian and a militant in Syria, as a Syrian, you MUST serve in the army, no exceptions, when there's no shit happening, you go there for a bout a year and a half to get training, that can be extended under emergency situations (like now), the SAA IS Syrians, it's not a bunch of people with the government, attacking or helping attack such army is straight up being a traitor, and you must be stupid to hope for any other force to take control. obligatory reminder that your media are liars too.
[QUOTE=Nebrassy;51545689] obligatory reminder that your media are liars too.[/QUOTE] No they're just as dumb as us.
[QUOTE=Nebrassy;51545689]before you pull of the assad dictator, evil syrian army killing civilians, rebels are only fighting for a cause and they don't attack innocent bullshit, you need to remember that there isn't a fine line between a civilian and a militant in Syria, as a Syrian, you MUST serve in the army, no exceptions, when there's no shit happening, you go there for a bout a year and a half to get training, that can be extended under emergency situations (like now), the SAA IS Syrians, it's not a bunch of people with the government, attacking or helping attack such army is straight up being a traitor, and you must be stupid to hope for any other force to take control. obligatory reminder that your media are liars too.[/QUOTE] It's nice that you're still trying to post your side of the story but you should really not expect a lot to happen from it. You should treat Facepunch as Salon lite version, especially this subsection where it's practically taboo to be anything tiny bit right from Gandhi himself, or disagree on things like Russia is evil etc. You would be rained down with boxes in pretty much every of your post in previous iteration of this subsection. This is the section that strongly advocated for Gaddafi's removal while knowing the possible risks of him gone and surprise surprise, everyone is practically playing dumb and pretending Libya doesn't exist and the fact that it turned from one of the most prosperous nations of Africa into tribalistic/warlord divided shithole. That being said, people should learn the lesson from Libya and NOT remove Assad blindly lest they want Syria to suffer the same fate as Libya, except it would be 10 times worse considering Libya intervention was relatively fast.
[QUOTE=yff;51545844]It's nice that you're still trying to post your side of the story but you should really not expect a lot to happen from it. You should treat Facepunch as Salon lite version, especially this subsection where it's practically taboo to be anything tiny bit right from Gandhi himself, or disagree on things like Russia is evil etc. You would be rained down with boxes in pretty much every of your post in previous iteration of this subsection. This is the section that strongly advocated for Gaddafi's removal while knowing the possible risks of him gone and surprise surprise, everyone is practically playing dumb and pretending Libya doesn't exist and the fact that it turned from one of the most prosperous nations of Africa into tribalistic/warlord divided shithole. That being said, people should learn the lesson from Libya and NOT remove Assad blindly lest they want Syria to suffer the same fate as Libya, except it would be 10 times worse considering Libya intervention was relatively fast.[/QUOTE] I know nothing will happen, everyone just mindlessly posting shit said by other people that no one knows how legitimate it is. there are basically 2 Syrian FP users (that I'm aware of), one lives in Syria (me) and one not, should we listen to what they have to say given they probably have a better idea?, no fuck those guys I'll just watch CNN, they're just brainwashed who cares
[QUOTE=Nebrassy;51545859]I know nothing will happen, everyone just mindlessly posting shit said by other people that no one knows how legitimate it is. there are basically 2 Syrian FP users (that I'm aware of), one lives in Syria (me) and one not, should we listen to what they have to say given they probably have a better idea?, no fuck those guys I'll just watch CNN, they're just brainwashed who cares[/QUOTE] When 99% of the world's (i.e., not just the US) news agencies all report the same thing about the Syrian government and the Syrian government says otherwise, I throw my lot in with the majority.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51545901]When 99% of the world's (i.e., not just the US) news agencies all report the same thing about the Syrian government and the Syrian government says otherwise, I throw my lot in with the majority.[/QUOTE] when non of those have reporters in Syria, some of them have reporters who are terrorists, and many of them worked closely with terrorists then said the government did it, I wouldn't rely on them when they're just copy pasting what the "moderate rebel groups" said there is no legit news source for Syria, the whole thing started as a lie and continued on, I'm not saying the government's news are all legit. neither is RT, they do say some stupid shit from time to time, but it's a much better source for news because they have people on the frontline there seeing what's happening, not this guy said that some close source to those guys said this.
There are actually a great deal of reporters in Syria, though? A lot even interview Syrians through skype and other social media outlets. Do you honest to god think no one knows what's happening in the country and just making shit up as they go?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51545948] Do you honest to god think no one knows what's happening in the country and just making shit up as they go?[/QUOTE] they know actually, just not telling you what they know, they tell you what they wish was the truth
[QUOTE]You should treat Facepunch as Salon lite version, especially this subsection where it's practically taboo to be anything tiny bit right from Gandhi himself, or disagree on things like Russia is evil etc.[/quote] Holy fuck this is gold. I've been posting here for years and it never occurred to me to consider SH as salon lite, amazing
[QUOTE=Nebrassy;51545964]they know actually, just not telling you what they know, they tell you what they wish was the truth[/QUOTE] :tinfoil:
[QUOTE=abcpea;51545661]They were the ones in power when the war started in the first place...[/QUOTE] And they will remain in power when this is over.
seriously, not inserting Illuminati joke here, but if you watch the shit CNN reported back on Homs crisis, you get a pretty good idea of what I mean, and shows you how shady media business can be.
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