[quote] Britain has been pushed behind the European Union in the queue to strike a free-trade deal with the United States, officials in Washington have said.
President Trump has softened his opposition to negotiating with the bloc as a whole after attempts by his officials to open talks with individual European nations were rebuffed.
During a private conversation last month, Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, convinced Mr Trump that talks on a US-EU deal would be simpler than he thought, sources close to both sides of the discussion told The Times. [/quote]
[url=https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trump-puts-eu-ahead-of-britain-in-trade-queue-l7t8zwn7k] Source [/url]
And leavers claimed Trump had our back and hated the "globalist EU". We are so fucked, May is getting outplayed by Merkel so hard it's sad.
Please send some life boats, need off this island theme park.
General consensus from the locals in the east of England is: "We are fucked.", from personal experience.
Really hope some one steps up and gets us out of the shit hole we have dug.
Well yeah, of course he's going to prioritise a union made of multiple countries over one island. Not sure why brexiteers thought otherwise.
stay strong over there fellas
Damn, that's devistating to any chance there was of Brexit somehow being a positive thing.
This is good for Ireland since we're in the EU but not as good as it could have been with our biggest trade partner leaving.
Twice I was presented the argument "now that the eu is out of the way they can get trade deals with canada and the usa"
bitch please, does this look like some kind of nintendo friend list? You don't need to remove someone to add someone.
I suppose he didn't call himself "Mr. Brexit" for no reason.
The joke is on Trump, it's not like the EU is sustainable or anything. Would be nice though to have both EU and Trump fall, 2 birds with 1 stone.
[QUOTE=Zeemlapje;52137342]The joke is on Trump, it's not like the EU is sustainable or anything. Would be nice though to have both EU and Trump fall, 2 birds with 1 stone.[/QUOTE]
I guess the UK's economic will be more sustainable based on... what, exactly? Good feelings?
Despite me saying repeatedly that we offer literally fucking [I]nothing[/I] in terms of physical trade in earlier threads, leave voters insisted we'd be getting great deals still with the EEA AND Trump.
There is very little our country has in terms of natural resources that others can't produce in greater amounts, and our manufacturing industry relies on the importing of raw materials. We're an island nation, we don't have the empire providing us with shitloads of stolen raw materials any more. What the hell did people think was going to happen?
[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;52137392]I guess the UK's economic will be more sustainable based on... what, exactly? Good feelings?[/QUOTE]
North sea oi--- wait fuck where are you going scotland don't leave us
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;52137025]
And leavers claimed Trump had our back and hated the "globalist EU". We are so fucked, May is getting outplayed by Merkel so hard it's sad.[/QUOTE]
Funny regarding Merkel, and the EU as well. Merkel's main competition in this year's election is martin schulz who makes it very clear he does not want to give the UK any particularly kind treatment. IIRC he wants them out asap, they can negotiate trade later. So even merkel getting defeated won't really make things better for the UK
can someone explain to me why the EU is unsustainable
The EU is perfectly sustainable. It has its flaws and its opponents, but nothing that would threaten its existence at this time. And all the flaws can be fixed.
[QUOTE=Turnips5;52137472]can someone explain to me why the EU is unsustainable[/QUOTE]
Yeah:
1. I don't like it
source(s) used: me
There's an even funnier version of this, Angela Merkel apparently had to explain to Trump 10 times that the US can't do a deal with Germany alone, it must be with the EU.
[quote]President Trump did not understand that the US cannot negotiate a trade deal with Germany alone and must deal with the European Union as a bloc, a senior German official told The Times of London.
"Ten times Trump asked [German chancellor Angela Merkel] if he could negotiate a trade deal with Germany. Every time she replied, 'You can’t do a trade deal with Germany, only the EU,'" the official said.
They continued: "On the eleventh refusal, Trump finally got the message, 'Oh, we’ll do a deal with Europe then.'"
Merkel reportedly told her cabinet members that Trump had "very basic misunderstandings" on the "fundamentals" of the EU and trade.
The exchange occurred when Merkel met with Trump last month and reportedly convinced him to negotiate with the EU as a bloc after attempts by his administration to deal with individual countries were declined. [/quote]
[url=http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-trade-merkel-germany-eu-2017-4?r=US&IR=T&IR=T]Source[/url]
It's absolutely hilarious to see Trump constantly come to the realization that [I]Obama was right[/I] in basically everything related to his foreign policy.
[QUOTE=Big Bang;52137513]It's absolutely hilarious to see Trump constantly come to the realization that [I]Obama was right[/I] in basically everything related to his foreign policy.[/QUOTE]
Good luck trying to convince the man of that. He's an atrocious President and it's physically hurtful to see how badly he fucks up everything. He doesn't even understand the most basic of politics.
Can't bail out all this new water on this ever increasingly listing ship to be perfectly honest.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;52137476]It isnt
Do you wanna hear arguments about Euro being unsustainable tho?[/QUOTE]
well I googled it and supposedly the idea is that unequal welfare systems plus unrestricted immigration is unsustainable... but the solution is to become a european superstate
We should save time and replace all headlines with "It's getting worse, but I think we've hit rock bottom so It can't get even more bad, right?"
[editline]22nd April 2017[/editline]
[I]ALL[/I] headlines
This is under the idea that the US cannot do multiple trade deals at once? This isn't a videogame where you are limited to one trade deal at a time. Unless the EU can pull itself together for a fast trade deal, then the UK will get in first.
Immediately thought of
[media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/766246213079498752[/media]
[QUOTE=Boilrig;52138511]This is under the idea that the US cannot do multiple trade deals at once? This isn't a videogame where you are limited to one trade deal at a time. Unless the EU can pull itself together for a fast trade deal, then the UK will get in first.[/QUOTE]
I know this isn't going to sink in, but whatever.
This is news because, once again, it's Trump going back on something he made a big deal of. Apparently the UK would be "first" for any trade deals the US would make when he took power.
[quote=https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/15/trumps-first-uk-post-election-interview-brexit-a-great-thing]Asked whether he would press ahead with a trade deal with the UK that would come into force after Brexit, Trump told the former justice secretary: “Absolutely, very quickly. I’m a big fan of the UK. We’re gonna work very hard to get it done quickly and done properly. Good for both sides.”[/quote]
But instead of getting a trade deal between us "very quickly", he's opting to get a trade deal with the EU sorted out first, despite constantly ragging on about how "bad" the thing is and how "useless" Merkel is.
Also enclosed in that article is this fucking mess of word salad;
[quote]“I will be meeting with [Theresa May]. In fact if you want you can see the letter, wherever the letter is, she just sent it. She’s requesting a meeting and we’ll have a meeting right after I get into the White House and … we’re gonna get something done very quickly.”[/quote]
Trump is a fucking imbecile who can barely string a coherent sentence together, what the hell even is that up there?
(also you'll need to explain what this trade deal is going to entail exactly. we offer basically nothing but a shattered economy)
And you know, we've already kind of been working on an EU-US trade deal for awhile lol
That along with the EU just being a much more important economy to deal with than the UK means it's probably not going to play out like boilrig thinks it will
[QUOTE=hexpunK;52138568]I know this isn't going to sink in, but whatever.
This is news because, once again, it's Trump going back on something he made a big deal of. Apparently the UK would be "first" for any trade deals the US would make when he took power.
But instead of getting a trade deal between us "very quickly", he's opting to get a trade deal with the EU sorted out first, despite constantly ragging on about how "bad" the thing is and how "useless" Merkel is.
Also enclosed in that article is this fucking mess of word salad;
Trump is a fucking imbecile who can barely string a coherent sentence together, what the hell even is that up there?
(also you'll need to explain what this trade deal is going to entail exactly. we offer basically nothing but a shattered economy)[/QUOTE]
Hey man, none of that, I'm hearing some amazing things about artisanal jam and great british crackers as part of the great brexit economy plan.
[sp]/s[/sp]
Kind of ironic that one of the arguments for leaving was being able to make their own trade deals.
Turns out they would have done the same deals if they remained regardless, probably on better terms too.
[QUOTE=Boilrig;52138511]This is under the idea that the US cannot do multiple trade deals at once? This isn't a videogame where you are limited to one trade deal at a time. Unless the EU can pull itself together for a fast trade deal, then the UK will get in first.[/QUOTE]
"unless the EU can pull itself together"
lmao are you trolling at this point? The UK is the one that has to pull itself together leaving the EU, and the EU, even without the UK, is among the biggest trade blocs in the world. The UK is arguing from a much weaker position now that it wants to leave.
I still reckon we're going to get a trade deal at some point, it's important for EU and US to secure a trade deal first because they're much larger economies, all this shows is we're smaller fish in the sea of trade deals, we can afford to wait and negotiate a trade deal at a later time. I don't see it as a good/bad thing, just offers us more time to decide whether it's in our interests.
[QUOTE=Chopstick;52140166]I still reckon we're going to get a trade deal at some point, it's important for EU and US to secure a trade deal first because they're much larger economies, all this shows is we're smaller fish in the sea of trade deals, we can afford to wait and negotiate a trade deal at a later time. I don't see it as a good/bad thing, just offers us more time to decide whether it's in our interests.[/QUOTE]
It sure is a wake-up call to all those who voted Leave that the UK isn't as big and important as they seem to think it is.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;52140237]It sure is a wake-up call to all those who voted Leave that the UK isn't as big and important as they seem to think it is.[/QUOTE]
You'd think so but a lot people that voted leave are in denial
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;52140237]It sure is a wake-up call to all those who voted Leave that the UK isn't as big and important as they seem to think it is.[/QUOTE]
Sure, I'm still not quite sure why people think we won't get a trade deal going as we're going to need one (EU or otherwise) for our economy to survive at the current 70%+ service industry that we run here, we rely upon imported goods. We didn't have a free trade deal like this before with the US so my thoughts are that we'll just get one once it's decided whether it's in our interests to do so.
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