Twenty states sue federal government, seeking end to Obamacare - Polidicks

[quote]A coalition of 20 U.S. states sued the federal government on Monday over Obamacare, claiming the law was no longer constitutional after the repeal last year of its requirement that people have health insurance or pay a fine. Led by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and Wisconsin Attorney General Brad Schimel, the lawsuit said that without the individual mandate, which was eliminated as part of the Republican tax law signed by President Donald Trump in December, Obamacare was unlawful. “The U.S. Supreme Court already admitted that an individual mandate without a tax penalty is unconstitutional,” Paxton said in a statement. “With no remaining legitimate basis for the law, it is time that Americans are finally free from the stranglehold of Obamacare, once and for all,” he said. Paxton and Schimel, both Republicans, were joined in the lawsuit by 18 states including Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Utah and West Virginia. It was filed in U.S. District Court in the Northern District of Texas.[/quote] [url=https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-healthcare/twenty-states-sue-federal-government-seeking-end-to-obamacare-idUSKCN1GB06R]Reuters[/url]

Sometimes there just isn't enough vomit in the world.

[QUOTE]“With no remaining legitimate basis for the law, it is time that Americans are finally free from the stranglehold of Obamacare, once and for all”[/QUOTE] Translation: It's time we let our corporate overlords strangle Americans out of every penny they own, then leave them to die.

Thank God the GOP is here to save us from the world of affordable but shitty insurance, now we can get back to good old days of expensive but shitty insurance. Unless you have pre existing conditions. Then you're double fucked.

[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;53163824]Translation: It's time we let our corporate overlords strangle Americans out of every penny they own, then leave them to die.[/QUOTE] I'm not a fan of the current state of privatized healthcare but tbh it was seriously pretty stupid that going uninsured for a year cost me substantially less than opting for insurance. Even when a portion is paid through my employer. In 2016 I owed the government around $500 for being uninsured through 2015. I've been covered through all of 2016 and 2017 and spend at least two to three times that just to have coverage. The whole thing needs to be burned to the ground and redone because it's a pile of hot garbage.

[QUOTE=haloguy234;53163872]I'm not a fan of the current state of privatized healthcare but tbh it was seriously pretty stupid that going uninsured for a year cost me substantially less than opting for insurance. Even when a portion is paid through my employer. In 2016 I owed the government around $500 for being uninsured through 2015. I've been covered through all of 2016 and 2017 and spend at least two to three times that just to have coverage. The whole thing needs to be burned to the ground and redone because it's a pile of hot garbage.[/QUOTE] Absolutely. But we need to replace it with universal healthcare and I'm pretty sure these folks just want to burn it so they can look at the ashes.

[QUOTE=haloguy234;53163872]I'm not a fan of the current state of privatized healthcare but tbh it was seriously pretty stupid that going uninsured for a year cost me substantially less than opting for insurance. Even when a portion is paid through my employer. In 2016 I owed the government around $500 for being uninsured through 2015. I've been covered through all of 2016 and 2017 and spend at least two to three times that just to have coverage. The whole thing needs to be burned to the ground and redone because it's a pile of hot garbage.[/QUOTE] The problem is that as shitty as obamacare is, it's leagues better than what we'd get if insurance was completely privatized. Treating fucking health insurance as a [I]luxury[/I] is insane.

so their argument is that the repeal of the personal insurance requirement makes the whole thing void a quick reading of the tax cuts and jerbs act reveals that no, the penalty is there, thw GOP could not under parlamentary rules, remove the legal requirement. they instead voided the penalty. so with a legal mandate still there, the question ought to be should congress be able to set a penalty to zero for something they don't like but can't legally strike [editline]27th February 2018[/editline] In government the waste and inefficiencies are dictated by law, in the private sector they can be as wasteful and inefficient as they want.

I like how it clarified that they were both republicans like no shit chief

They already tried this and it failed. Fuck off already.

[QUOTE=haloguy234;53163872]I'm not a fan of the current state of privatized healthcare but tbh it was seriously pretty stupid that going uninsured for a year cost me substantially less than opting for insurance. Even when a portion is paid through my employer. In 2016 I owed the government around $500 for being uninsured through 2015. I've been covered through all of 2016 and 2017 and spend at least two to three times that just to have coverage. The whole thing needs to be burned to the ground and redone because it's a pile of hot garbage.[/QUOTE] Yeah it's bad enough that I can't afford health care in the first place, but I also get fined for being unable to afford health care. Oh and my favorite part was that when I did apply for health insurance, I was told that my income is [b]too low[/b] to qualify for financial aid. The system works!

[QUOTE=dogmachines;53163922]Absolutely. But we need to replace it with universal healthcare and I'm pretty sure these folks just want to burn it so they can look at the ashes.[/QUOTE] I agree. One of the biggest complaints I hear all the time against a national healthcare system is it's "socialist" because it's making the health problems of one person become the responsibility of others because they're being forced to pay into it through taxes. I think the people who use that as an argument don't actually understand how the current private healthcare system works. Your premiums are so high because you're paying into a pool that's used by the insurance provider to provide help to other people in the same insurance. It's the same exact thing, but because it's passing through rich middleman insurance providers it's somehow not. It's crazy what kind of mental gymnastics these people pull.

[QUOTE=haloguy234;53164486]I agree. One of the biggest complaints I hear all the time against a national healthcare system is it's "socialist" because it's making the health problems of one person become the responsibility of others because they're being forced to pay into it through taxes. I think the people who use that as an argument don't actually understand how the current private healthcare system works. Your premiums are so high because you're paying into a pool that's used by the insurance provider to provide help to other people in the same insurance. It's the same exact thing, but because it's passing through rich middleman insurance providers it's somehow not. It's crazy what kind of mental gymnastics these people pull.[/QUOTE] Ultimately, I think the US has a very serious problem with treating many issues, such as healthcare, as a privilege, rather than a human right. Unless the US can somehow shed that mindset, which will be incredibly difficult and will not happen while any of us is alive, the country will not be able to get anything meaningfully done in the long-term.

On some fundamental level I wonder how hospital workers feel, especially for some of the more prestigious hospitals which is where these fuckers go to receive [I]their[/I] fully-insured healthcare, that the person they're treating actively played a part is ensuring that they didn't have the same level of access to healthcare. What a bunch of fucking double-standard assholes, the lot of them. Someone should just circulate a list of the reps responsible for this and just deny them service [I]everywhere[/I], healthcare and non-healthcare.

[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;53164536]Ultimately, I think the US has a very serious problem with treating many issues, such as healthcare, as a privilege, rather than a human right. Unless the US can somehow shed that mindset, which will be incredibly difficult and will not happen while any of us is alive, the country will not be able to get anything meaningfully done in the long-term.[/QUOTE] A lot of people say "you won't get turned away if it's an emergency. The problem is many things are untreatable once it's an emergency. You can't really save someone who had minor symptoms of stage 1 pancreatic cancer, but when it was an emergency it was then stage 4.

I am not against a universal health care system as an idea, however Obamacare was not the shining healthcare model we needed. It is plagued with problems even if it was better than any alternative system that has been suggested. I think it's ridiculous that you can be fined for not being able to afford insurance. When I first applied I couldn't afford the over $100 a month for a basic plan, and I didn't immediately qualify for some kind of financial aid. Maybe I don't understand healthcare or economics, but I feel it what would work is giving the population an allowance or subsidy to purchase the health care we choose, that way it won't be "dirty socialist program" [/s] and it will allow me to choose the plan that's right for me and have Insurance companies compete for best service.

[QUOTE=defy;53164774]I am not against a universal health care system as an idea, however Obamacare was not the shining healthcare model we needed. It is plagued with problems even if it was better than any alternative system that has been suggested. I think it's ridiculous that you can be fined for not being able to afford insurance. When I first applied I couldn't afford the over $100 a month for a basic plan, and I didn't immediately qualify for some kind of financial aid. Maybe I don't understand healthcare or economics, but I feel it what would work is giving the population an allowance or subsidy to purchase the health care we choose, that way it won't be "dirty socialist program" [/s] and it will allow me to choose the plan that's right for me and have Insurance companies compete for best service.[/QUOTE] That's something even Obama was willing to say, especially on the subsidies. I always tend to give Germany as an example of what a "proper" Obamacare could have given, (tho there's lots of Bismarck model countries.) They couldn't really accomplish more than they did given the climate at the time, and the goal was to push it further when the climate changed (Hillary spoke about this a lot.)