• My Dog Gets Catcalled More Than Me: A Primer on Vegan Feminism
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This is a video all about the intersection between Political Veganism and Intersectional Third-wave Feminism. This involves applying intersectional gender and racial theory to non-human animals. It's funny but also quite interesting to see how the two radical cultures have integrated. [video=youtube;E3yn_z77jVw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3yn_z77jVw[/video] [quote=description]Any time I didn't say 'activist' after vegan, I meant to. This video does not refer to people who change diet for health, for example, or anything like that.[/quote]
what is a non human animal other than all other animals? what
[QUOTE=ridinmybike;49755986]what is a non human animal other than all other animals? what[/QUOTE] I dunno, ask the vegan feminists.
so its a bunch of fools who are becoming offended for animals who don't care/have a clue? nice
[QUOTE=ridinmybike;49755986]what is a non human animal other than all other animals? what[/QUOTE] my ex
I understand being vegetarian and vegan for moral or health choices (even if it's not for me, dead animals are tasty) but as soon as you start acting like a animal life is worth the same as a human life you loose me. plus a lot of the people that preach it give off this hell dog fucker vibe off honestly.
i wouldnt become a vegan imagine if you're invited i will sacrifice every baby for mustakrakish to someones house and they bake a cake and you're like "sorry i can't eat the cake because i don't eat eggs or milk" its just kind of annoying but i understand vegetarianism because im a vegetarian the murdergod must rise
i cant stand listening to robots
What a fantastic illustration of how ridiculous your beliefs can become when you can justify them with appeals to emotion and sophistry. I can't think of a better way to highlight the problems with intersectional feminist rhetoric.
[QUOTE=MenteR;49756497]i wouldnt become a vegan imagine if you're invited i will sacrifice every baby for mustakrakish to someones house and they bake a cake and you're like "sorry i can't eat the cake because i don't eat eggs or milk" its just kind of annoying but i understand vegetarianism because im a vegetarian the murdergod must rise[/QUOTE] If that's really your reason then why not be vegan alone and vegetarian when need be? Like in social situations? These things aren't on / off switches. I dislike how both veganism and feminism are both incredibly logical mindsets but due to extremists in both "fields" you get other people entirely disregarding both. A lot of people make the argument for religion that they "just take the parts of each that they like" and combine it into one more complete world view, and I feel that things like being vegan and feminist belong in that grouping of worldviews. Putting the bastardization aside, I don't really feel that being a more conscientious person should be looked down on or dismissed as "annoying."
[QUOTE=abcpea;49756520]i cant stand listening to robots[/QUOTE] This robot racism is extremely problematic.
[QUOTE=Thlis;49757242]This robot racism is extremely problematic.[/QUOTE] Uh, excuse me, it's called automatism.
[QUOTE=ridinmybike;49755986]what is a non human animal other than all other animals? what[/QUOTE] It seems a bit redundant considering how most people use the word "animal", but I would imagine that she refers to them like that since humans are technically animals too.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGSc5ZTU57E[/media] So this is auto rape even when the cow learned to use the device and pretty much contents to do even to a point where it would suffer if it wasn't milked?
[QUOTE=Ithon;49757535][media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGSc5ZTU57E[/media] So this is auto rape even when the cow learned to use the device and pretty much contents to do even to a point where it would suffer if it wasn't milked?[/QUOTE] Remember, if the farmer is a cis-male, it's always rape!
[QUOTE=Ithon;49757535][media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGSc5ZTU57E[/media] So this is auto rape even when the cow learned to use the device and pretty much contents to do even to a point where it would suffer if it wasn't milked?[/QUOTE] One could call it internalized misogyny/moosogyny
[QUOTE=ridinmybike;49755986]what is a non human animal other than all other animals? what[/QUOTE] My guess this formula is used to emphasise the fact that humans are animals too. So you have HUMAN ANIMALS and NON-HUMAN ANIMALS. If that's the case, that's the beautiful world of idologies, where everything is designed to appeal to whatever the fuck there is other than logic and reason.
[QUOTE=Slim Charles;49756422]but as soon as you start acting like a animal life is worth the same as a human life you loose me[/QUOTE] Out of curiosity, what would a living life's worth be based off of to you?
I don't really put that much thought into it honestly but if I had to say something on the topic at the risk of sounding stupid; I am a human, so I see human life as above animal life, and to put it bluntly I really don't care that much about killing livestock in order to eat them.
As a vegan myself, you have no idea how incredibly annoying these intersectional/feminists vegans can be. There are some straight up misandrists that ignore any notion that men have issues or male animals tend to be seen as useless where as female animals are sign as a valueble commodity. I had one person in particular make comments like ''boohoo men have it so hard with their position of power and privilige'. I ask these people every time why they don't call themselves egalitarians, they are vegans, they are basically egalitarian deluxe. Big fucking nope, muh feminism here, muh black lives matter there and very little else. Then you have to people telling me that it is all part of a spectrum, called egalitarian. Funny, cause I don't see how that is logical when you use the pay gap or ignore black on black crime as a way to show how egalitarian you are. Edit: If they ever change veganism to veganism+, I will call myself a Buddhist so that I won't mistaken for these nut jobs. Yes, they really rustle my jimmies. They just want more people for their shitty cult and they see a ''liberal'' cause like veganism as an easy target. [QUOTE=Slim Charles;49761192]I don't really put that much thought into it honestly but if I had to say something on the topic at the risk of sounding stupid; I am a human, so I see human life as above animal life, and to put it bluntly I really don't care that much about killing livestock in order to eat them.[/QUOTE] Just to explain something, there are different kind of vegans. You have the ethical one, which is the one you are talking about now. You have the ecological one, that doesn't neccessarily care about other animals, but sees that the animal industry is a horrible strain on the environment. There is also the health vegan, which is also goes by the term as a plant-based diet, this depends on if they believe in the ethical side of veganism. They don't eat animal products because they have a condition which is better served with a plant-based diet, like diabetes or a heart disease. There are plenty of reports available that explain the benefits on being a vegan.
People just right out making points and just assuming they don't need to justify them are in the same group as people that use the bible as an argument in a scientific discussion. There just seems to be this desire to be right so strong that logic is thrown out of the window in favor of just saying that you're right, completely ignoring the fallacy in your own argument. Most of these videos he's shown are seriously people just spouting rhetoric without making any actual arguments, 'You're not a real feminist unless you're a vegan too.' 'Artificial insemination is the same as rape.' essentially saying that "my battle is your battle because I said so and that is that." And then they go on to build an argument on these statements as if they're somehow reasonable to just assume as objective fact. It's trying to build an argument on literally nothing, and it doesn't any fucking sense.
[QUOTE=Slim Charles;49761192]I don't really put that much thought into it honestly but if I had to say something on the topic at the risk of sounding stupid; I am a human, so I see human life as above animal life, and to put it bluntly I really don't care that much about killing livestock in order to eat them.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I mean, we're omnivores so we're going to need both meat and plants and the fact that killing animals is necessary for food is something I've pretty much accepted (Nature's pretty fuckin' cruel, but there's not much we can do about it as of now). Also, I feel that it's pretty fucked how some vegans make their omnivore/carnivore pets go on a vegan diet, so there's also that. With that said, even if most animals are indeed inferior in some way in comparison to humans, I honestly wouldn't feel that that'd be enough to justify disregarding an animal's possible wellbeing. Hell, even with animals that'll eventually be slaughtered for food/textiles/etc, I feel like we should at least do whatever we can to make their lives relatively decent before they're slaughtered and sent to grocery stores or whatever, at least until we somehow figure out how to grow legitamete meat or make fabric 99% identical to certain animal skins without having to slay an animal. Although, I really don't know what can be done for experiments on animals considering that the point of these experiments are to find different possibilities and and to see what would happen if we did x and etc, so trying to ease the pain would likely mess up some of the experiments. I mean, we were really able to figure some science shit out and make effective medicine and some other technologies because of them, and yet experiments on humans along with other animals has always seemed, to be frank, kinda fucked up despite the benefits we get from them.
[QUOTE=Skerion;49761650]Yeah, I mean, we're omnivores so we're going to need both meat and plants and the fact that killing animals is necessary for food is something I've pretty much accepted (Nature's pretty fuckin' cruel, but there's not much we can do about it as of now). Also, I feel that it's pretty fucked how some vegans make their omnivore/carnivore pets go on a vegan diet, so there's also that. With that said, even if most animals are indeed inferior in some way in comparison to humans, I honestly wouldn't feel that that'd be enough to justify disregarding an animal's possible wellbeing. Hell, even with animals that'll eventually be slaughtered for food/textiles/etc, I feel like we should at least do whatever we can to make their lives relatively decent before they're slaughtered and sent to grocery stores or whatever, at least until we somehow figure out how to grow legitamete meat or make fabric 99% identical to certain animal skins without having to slay an animal. Although, I really don't know what can be done for experiments on animals considering that the point of these experiments are to find different possibilities and and to see what would happen if we did x and etc, so trying to ease the pain would likely mess up some of the experiments. I mean, we were really able to figure some science shit out and make effective medicine and some other technologies because of them, and yet experiments on humans along with other animals has always seemed, to be frank, kinda fucked up despite the benefits we get from them.[/QUOTE] As I see it, Nature has and will continue being a harsh place for animals, what humans are doing isn't particularly worse than what's been happening for millions of years. That said, I would very much like to see research going into growing "meat farms" so that we have both a more efficient and humane source of meats. [vid]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/The_Meat_Revolution_Mark_Post.webm[/vid]
Imagine being forced to apologize to a pig, by a human, for offending the pig by eating store brand bacon.
[QUOTE=Skerion;49761650]Yeah, I mean, we're omnivores so we're going to need both meat and plants and the fact that killing animals is necessary for food is something I've pretty much accepted (Nature's pretty fuckin' cruel, but there's not much we can do about it as of now). Also, I feel that it's pretty fucked how some vegans make their omnivore/carnivore pets go on a vegan diet, so there's also that. With that said, even if most animals are indeed inferior in some way in comparison to humans, I honestly wouldn't feel that that'd be enough to justify disregarding an animal's possible wellbeing. Hell, even with animals that'll eventually be slaughtered for food/textiles/etc, I feel like we should at least do whatever we can to make their lives relatively decent before they're slaughtered and sent to grocery stores or whatever, at least until we somehow figure out how to grow legitamete meat or make fabric 99% identical to certain animal skins without having to slay an animal. Although, I really don't know what can be done for experiments on animals considering that the point of these experiments are to find different possibilities and and to see what would happen if we did x and etc, so trying to ease the pain would likely mess up some of the experiments. I mean, we were really able to figure some science shit out and make effective medicine and some other technologies because of them, and yet experiments on humans along with other animals has always seemed, to be frank, kinda fucked up despite the benefits we get from them.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah definitely, when I mean with I don't care about livestock being killed it's when it's done like we do it here in Australia, quickly. That barbaric stuff they do in developing countries is appalling. And honestly I don't approve of us giving said live exports to said countries.
Don't talk to me unless you value each insect life as much as a human life
feminism and veganism are cool imo
[QUOTE=Skerion;49760417]Out of curiosity, what would a living life's worth be based off of to you?[/QUOTE] I feel like I'm stating the painfully obvious here, but humans are the most powerful, intelligent, and universally useful animal on the planet, and most of us feel emotional attachment or at least empathy for other humans to a much greater degree than other animals. This would make a human life worth more than any other animals' in the eyes of most people. If you're looking for some sort of empirical measurement of worth, you're not going to find it, and frankly I don't think it's necessary to be able to compare the worth of two things.
i am pro meat for dominance reasons, the animals will eat us if we don't eat them first
[QUOTE=Talishmar;49762512]Don't talk to me unless you value each insect life as much as a human life[/QUOTE] Speciesism in action folks. I like how you present yourself as progressive, when in fact you aren't just partly to blame, you and your mindset is exactly the problem, like, literally. I take it you think just because bacteria have just one cell, they're somehow, for no reason, completely arbitrarily less worthy than other forms of Life. And what about viruses, are their lives not important, not priceless, their experiences not unique and worthy of understanding? That's the same as saying women are lesser humans. That's [b]exactly[/b] the same as saying blacks are less worthy than whites because some insignificant genetic differences that affect their skin colour. In fact, it's much, much worse - how many blacks were killed and have suffered because of racism, huh? That's literally nothing compared to what amoebas have suffered since humanity started this horrible antibiotic holocaust. Trillions of lives were lost. And don't give your copypaste biotruther bullshit that "bacteria and viruses are dangerous". Like, of course they get dangerous, they have to push back somehow, they've got to vent, force you to pay attention to themselves. Like what the fuck, you are literally the evil of this world. #GermLivesMatter, you troglodyte shitlord.
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