[QUOTE]North and South Korea have agreed to resume formal high-level talks that had effectively been suspended since February, reports from South Korea say.
The agreement came during a surprise visit to South Korea by North Korean officials for the closing ceremony of the Asian Games.
The visit was led by two top-ranking North Korean officials seen as close aides to leader Kim Jong-un.
Both sides were said to have agreed to meet again within the next few weeks.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-29489134[/url]
It'd be nice if this lead to something, with Kim Jong-Un apparently being gone right now and all.
(sorry if this was posted before, search didn't show anything about this partic post)
I think both sides are tired of this bullshit struggle and its just been the Kim bloodline fucking everything up for both sides.
I do wonder if these will go anywhere. As rumor has it that Kim isn't in control anymore. I mean maybe he never was?
But for them to 'agree to talks', wouldn't they have had to agree to talk in the first place about agreeing to talk?
[QUOTE=SexualShark;46147810]I think both sides are tired of this bullshit struggle and its just been the Un bloodline fucking everything up for both sides.[/QUOTE]
Un is his first name.
[QUOTE=Senscith;46147850]Un is his first name.[/QUOTE]
I dont think Kimmy and Jimmy and the Uns will ever find out so i am safe.
(that sounds like a neat name for a band)
[QUOTE=SexualShark;46147810]I think both sides are tired of this bullshit struggle and its just been the Un bloodline fucking everything up for both sides.[/QUOTE]
Kim bloodline.
Either Fatty-Un had one slice too many of Dutch cheese or there's been a coup d'état.
Whichever, I hope this is a step in a direction that helps the people of North Korea.
[QUOTE=SexualShark;46147810]I think both sides are tired of this bullshit struggle and its just been the Kim bloodline fucking everything up for both sides.[/QUOTE]
Well them and the PLA and the former soviet union propping them up, there's no communist state helpline like there was, now to be Russia's ally you have to pay them and their credit with China is running very low since they've detonated nukes and had radiation spew north, causes economic trouble with them, and launch missiles into their waters
It'd be nice to see a united Korea.
We haven't really seen anything massively good happen in a while, on this planet.
[QUOTE=nikomo;46149335]It'd be nice to see a united Korea.
We haven't really seen anything massively good happen in a while, on this planet.[/QUOTE]
A unified Korea is shit news for South Korea. If they unify, the entire economic burden falls on them, they would have to provide food, water, and infrastructure for the entire North. Granted they wouldn't have guns to their heads anymore, but it would be a long while before either country would recover from a unification.
[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;46149504]A unified Korea is shit news for South Korea. If they unify, the entire economic burden falls on them, they would have to provide food, water, and infrastructure for the entire North. Granted they wouldn't have guns to their heads anymore, but it would be a long while before either country would recover from a unification.[/QUOTE]
not to mention the whole language barrier, the north and the south have different dialects, different educations, much different economies, plus the DMZ
ironically the DMZ is probably one of the last pristine wildernesses out there since neither side wants to be caught by the other crossing it, it would be fitting if it was turned into a national park if reunification ever happens
[QUOTE=Antdawg;46147842]But for them to 'agree to talks', wouldn't they have had to agree to talk in the first place about agreeing to talk?[/QUOTE]
Before, they used an elaborate system of gestures and cardboard signs to communicate to each other.
[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;46149504]A unified Korea is shit news for South Korea. If they unify, the entire economic burden falls on them, they would have to provide food, water, and infrastructure for the entire North. Granted they wouldn't have guns to their heads anymore, but it would be a long while before either country would recover from a unification.[/QUOTE]
Better than watching an entire nation continue to suffer like it has for decades while the people live miserable, fearful lives.
[QUOTE=Splash Attack;46150118]Before, they used an elaborate system of gestures and cardboard signs to communicate to each other.[/QUOTE]
The north have been trying to write in the sky, but their missiles keep falling in the ocean.
[QUOTE=Sableye;46149936]ironically the DMZ is probably one of the last pristine wildernesses out there since neither side wants to be caught by the other crossing it, it would be fitting if it was turned into a national park if reunification ever happens[/QUOTE]
also all the landmines
[QUOTE=Luni;46150325]also all the landmines[/QUOTE]
You'd be surprised how effectively do they deter people from trespassing through wildlife reserves and natural parks. At least they do in here.
[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;46149504]A unified Korea is shit news for South Korea. If they unify, the entire economic burden falls on them, they would have to provide food, water, and infrastructure for the entire North. Granted they wouldn't have guns to their heads anymore, but it would be a long while before either country would recover from a unification.[/QUOTE]
What would you rather have though? A large economic burden, or the constant threat of a bunch of communists shooting missiles at you?
[QUOTE=croguy;46150338]You'd be surprised how effectively do they deter people from trespassing through wildlife reserves and natural parks. At least they do in here.[/QUOTE]
Yes, use a landmine to protect animals
This will work
[QUOTE=mattmanlex;46150670]Yes, use a landmine to protect animals
This will work[/QUOTE]
Well the general idea is to not put the minefields [I]inside[/I] the habitat, but rather [I]around[/I] the habitat, on the outskirts of human settlements and infrastructure. :v:
[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;46150653]What would you rather have though? A large economic burden, or the constant threat of a bunch of communists shooting missiles at you?[/QUOTE]
The South has been doing absolutely fine for 60 years now
[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;46150785]The South has been doing absolutely fine for 60 years now[/QUOTE]
Yeah, frankly I don't see how the South could possibly benefit from unification, unless the North completely gives up government control, and even then they have to deal with all the poverty and shit.
[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;46150785]The South has been doing absolutely fine for 60 years now[/QUOTE]
wasn't south korea a military dictatorship for like 30 years and wasn't north korea actually surpassing it in stuff until the 70s or so
[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;46149504]A unified Korea is shit news for South Korea. If they unify, the entire economic burden falls on them, they would have to provide food, water, and infrastructure for the entire North. Granted they wouldn't have guns to their heads anymore, but it would be a long while before either country would recover from a unification.[/QUOTE]
I think a separated korea would be fine for a while, if the North decides it wants to take steps to get there instead of just jumping the gun. Germany's problem was that the eastern government fell so the west had no choice but to pick up the pieces. South Korea and North Korea can plan this out and make things work; at the very least they could be separated but have the international relations (eventually) of Czech Republic and Slovakia
North Korea's problem isn't just Kims.
There are thousands of partymembers, military officials, bureaucrats and other people who have a lot of power there and nearly everyone of them have their own interests. Many of them are afraid that major reforms might cause harm to their position and life quality and more or less support the current system. Major changes are highly unlikely due thhat, unless highly skilled leader rises to power and manages to push a major culture change. Or the system collapses on itself.
Most likely the latter is going on there as the high ranked officials are dividing between blocs and starting to fight. Maybe point of that suprise meeting is to get South's support for their bloc.
[QUOTE=Luni;46150325]also all the landmines[/QUOTE]
ironic, human weapons built to deny each other the ability to use land, has effectively preserved the land
-sniped distasteful joke-
[editline]4th October 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=oskutin;46151534]North Korea's problem isn't just Kims.
There are thousands of partymembers, military officials, bureaucrats and other people who have a lot of power there and nearly everyone of them have their own interests. Many of them are afraid that major reforms might cause harm to their position and life quality and more or less support the current system. Major changes are highly unlikely due thhat, unless highly skilled leader rises to power and manages to push a major culture change. Or the system collapses on itself.
Most likely the latter is going on there as the high ranked officials are dividing between blocs and starting to fight. Maybe point of that suprise meeting is to get South's support for their bloc.[/QUOTE]
pretty much why no revolution has happened, there's too many people in cushy positions, and the people there are not nearly numerous enough or concentrated enough to really cause any problems. i mean beyond pyongyang there's really almost no population density in north korea, and the people who live in the few urban areas are mostly higher up party members or the "middle" class who have as much vested interest in preserving the system as well
[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;46149504]A unified Korea is shit news for South Korea. If they unify, the entire economic burden falls on them, they would have to provide food, water, and infrastructure for the entire North. Granted they wouldn't have guns to their heads anymore, but it would be a long while before either country would recover from a unification.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, lets ignore the fact that almost an entire country of people are starving and being subject to completely inhumane treatment because it wouldn't be economically profitable.
[QUOTE=draugur;46151828]Yeah, lets ignore the fact that almost an entire country of people are starving and being subject to completely inhumane treatment because it wouldn't be economically profitable.[/QUOTE]
Could be "profitable" in long term, but it needs major investments.
But economical growth is only that the system grows and or gains efficiency.
[QUOTE=oskutin;46151904]Could be "profitable" in long term, but it needs major investments.
But economical growth is only that the system grows and or gain efficiency.[/QUOTE]
My point still stands. An entire country full of starving people who are subject to incredibly inhumane treatment is more important than some economic burden. Oh boo hoo, you will only turn 150 million instead of 300 million in profits for the next few years, but you know what? An entire country isn't dying slowly at the hands of a brutal dictatorship. Who cares about them though right? Gotta make that dollar, how else would you be able to afford those quarterly CEO bonuses you deserve?
[video=youtube;MQeQWWKKvq4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQeQWWKKvq4[/video]
all I imagined was the Homefront trailer talking about Unified Korea
its happening!!1 :tinfoil:
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