Radek the 'Canfellow' - 25 year old, mentally retarded manboy in security prison aka a picturesque - Polidicks

There is a a 25 year old guy in an average-security prison (downgraded from a high security one), for breaking his probation by 6 convicted acts of theft - sentenced since a year ago to serve time until 2017. Problem is he has a learning disability - he's visibly and medically approximated to be stuck on a level of a 4 year old child at max. He had epilepsy since a child, a broken down liver and has had plenty surgeries on his pelvis (no accidents, or substance abuse involved). He collected mostly cans for money or to build a "tower" - also other metal junk because 'he needs it'. But then he started taking metal objects and junk from open area gardens or unsecured bikes out in the open, because in his mind - it was nobody's or "unused". It is said that many local punks often convinced him taking something was a good idea, while mocking him when he did it. His mother made him give everything significant back like a bike or a wheelbarrow - called the police to inform about the incident - or, him being locally know, some people would often just go to his house and look in the yard, or ask his mother "sorry I'm missing this and that, did you possibly see it?" - most wouldn't report it because of obvious reasons, but I guess some people have had enough. The judge ruled it as a serious enough crime for a 5 year sentence considering this was not his first offense, with the law-appointed "medical professionals" deciding he is mentally competent and fit to take full responsibility for his acts. One, could suspect it's all an act, but if true he maliciously put on that role plotted out carefully with his mother, since 7 years old when he was transfered from primary school to a school for special needs children. The neighbors knew him as the 'canguy' or 'canfellow' - the slow kid collecting cans and junk. He has no idea where he is, why exactly is he there (he says it's because he was naughty), what year it is, what year he was born, when he will be released and even if informed of those dates, he has no idea how much is left. Can't read or write, though when you ask him he will say he can read and write anything. Mother is an impoverished divorcee. All he repeats like a mantra - is 'I wonna go home to mom'. Most inmates in this new 'average' security prison try to take care of him, both the warden and the prison psychologist have.. let's say subtle doubts about the logic of him being there, but the law has spoken. The story has surfaced somewhere at the end of May when a news segment was done about it. A petition has been sent to the polish president - I can only assume to extend his sentence. I for one feel safe that the polish system keeps such obvious scumbags off our streets. Maybe they should reinstate the death penalty for these extreme cases. Clip: (sorry no subtitles yet) [15mins] [URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT6WvEEAhbQ[/URL] Long clip: (again, think no subs) [49mins] [URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSZ0aLNaiuY[/URL] Story: (translated like Radek would have written.... said it himself) [URL]http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Finformacje.kolobrzeg.pl%2Fpowiat%2Fitem%2F3389-uwolnic-radka&act=url[/URL]

Using prisons as pushinment is a flawed concept to begin with. They're made for rehabilitation, not this. This man should have been forced to a psychologist to help him understand not to steal, and that's it.

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;40977292]Using prisons as pushinment is a flawed concept to begin with.[/QUOTE] AHAH yes keep posting about this please

Something should have been done sooner to stop him taking other peoples' shit No one did anything and the legal system was forced to intervene, and now people are whining that the punishment wasn't to their liking? Should have acted first

[QUOTE=NotWorthy;40975592]Can't read or write, though when you ask him he will say he can read and write anything. Mother is an impoverished divorcee. All he repeats like a mantra - is 'I wonna go home to mom'. [B]Most inmates in this new 'average' security prison try to take care of him,[/B][/QUOTE] That gives me a warm feeling in my heart. [QUOTE=Bazsil;40977551]Something should have been done sooner to stop him taking other peoples' shit[/QUOTE] What? That man needs psychological help. Not a prison where he has to helplessly fend for himself.

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;40977292]Using prisons as pushinment is a flawed concept to begin with.[/QUOTE] Not really... some people do deserve to be punished for their actions. edit: not saying this man does though.

[QUOTE=Bazsil;40977551]Something should have been done sooner to stop him taking other peoples' shit No one did anything and the legal system was forced to intervene, and now people are whining that the punishment wasn't to their liking? Should have acted first[/QUOTE] Or how about the legal system doesn't imprison a man who is mentally incompetent. The law isn't right just because it's the law.

I have someone In my school from Poland called Radek. Here's a picture of him: [URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/10/capturexxc.jpg/][IMG]http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/2185/capturexxc.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

Implying something will be done about it

This is just beyond fucked up. I feel sorry for the Warden having to see this and not being able to do anything.

[QUOTE=Baazul;40979144]This is just beyond fucked up. I feel sorry for the Warden having to see this and not being able to do anything.[/QUOTE] The warden and the prison psychologist were actually the ones that sent the first petition to the president (only way to overturn a final verdict), but being still low-key back then - you can safely assume that before he actually gave a fuck, it would be already his successor that gave it, and the underdeveloped kid would be already out for completing his sentence. Fortunately this time a segment on the news didn't go unnoticed - blew up in less than a week. Already a new petition with thousands of signatures was sent in - doubt our great leader will ignore it, because he cares obviously, not because it's great publicity.

[QUOTE=Bazsil;40977551]Something should have been done sooner to stop him taking other peoples' shit No one did anything and the legal system was forced to intervene, and now people are whining that the punishment wasn't to their liking? Should have acted first[/QUOTE] How do you stop someone from doing something when they have no idea what they're doing? The guy has the mental capacity of a 4 year old, and should be receiving some kind of help from the government. Putting this guy in jail doesn't accomplish one single fucking thing.

[QUOTE=Simples;40977750]Not really... some people do deserve to be punished for their actions. edit: not saying this man does though.[/QUOTE] It's a justice system, not a revenge system. Punishment doesn't fix anything. [editline]10th June 2013[/editline] Prisons should be for rehabilitation and removing dangerous people from society, and purely that.

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;40983637]It's a justice system, not a revenge system. Punishment doesn't fix anything. [editline]10th June 2013[/editline] Prisons should be for rehabilitation and removing dangerous people from society, and purely that.[/QUOTE] That's a pretty naive way to put it in my honest opinion. It's basically a slap to the face of victims of serious crimes. A victim of a brutal rape, or someone beaten half to death for not handling over their cellphone - and their families - don't really want to he hear that the person who caused them so much harm and pain, because they thought they can get away with it - got into some nice 'rehabilitation facility' with a nice atmosphere, good meals, tv with the discovery channel in every cell (which looks more like a room), internet access to educational sources, courtyard that resembles a park and plenty of sport activities. Punishment will somehow bring a closure to their pain, and they deserve that. That's the nature of a human being - believing that there are consequences for actions against other people, which includes the ones that hurt you. But yes the punishment should fit the crime - ie people in there for tax evasion should be separated from rapists and treated differently - drug cartel members, children molesters and so on. And people who can't tell right from wrong because of their limited mental capacity shouldn't be there at all. That's my 2 cents anyway.

[QUOTE=NotWorthy;40987994]That's a pretty naive way to put it in my honest opinion. It's basically a slap to the face of victims of serious crimes. A victim of a brutal rape, or someone beaten half to death for not handling over their cellphone - and their families - don't really want to he hear that the person who caused them so much harm and pain, because they thought they can get away with it - got into some nice 'rehabilitation facility' with a nice atmosphere, good meals, tv with the discovery channel in every cell (which looks more like a room), internet access to educational sources, courtyard that resembles a park and plenty of sport activities. Punishment will somehow bring a closure to their pain, and they deserve that. That's the nature of a human being - believing that there are consequences for actions against other people, which includes the ones that hurt you. But yes the punishment should fit the crime - ie people in there for tax evasion should be separated from rapists and treated differently - drug cartel members, children molesters and so on. And people who can't tell right from wrong because of their limited mental capacity shouldn't be there at all. That's my 2 cents anyway.[/QUOTE] In Norway, prisoners are actually treated like people and are actually rehabilitated. In comparison to American prisons, it's like summer camp. The result? [URL="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1986002,00.html"]Only 20% of offenders re-offend within two years of release, as opposed to the US or UK systems where that number is around 50%-60%.[/URL] Recognizing that criminals are victims themselves is an important issue to recognize. Just punishing them will just make them hate society and reoffend. Even with an abysmal prison system like the US, threatening punishment still clearly doesn't do much to deter criminal activity.

[QUOTE=NotWorthy;40987994]That's a pretty naive way to put it in my honest opinion. It's basically a slap to the face of victims of serious crimes. A victim of a brutal rape, or someone beaten half to death for not handling over their cellphone - and their families - don't really want to he hear that the person who caused them so much harm and pain, because they thought they can get away with it - got into some nice 'rehabilitation facility' with a nice atmosphere, good meals, tv with the discovery channel in every cell (which looks more like a room), internet access to educational sources, courtyard that resembles a park and plenty of sport activities. Punishment will somehow bring a closure to their pain, and they deserve that. That's the nature of a human being - believing that there are consequences for actions against other people, which includes the ones that hurt you. But yes the punishment should fit the crime - ie people in there for tax evasion should be separated from rapists and treated differently - drug cartel members, children molesters and so on. And people who can't tell right from wrong because of their limited mental capacity shouldn't be there at all. That's my 2 cents anyway.[/QUOTE] Prisons aren't made to make the victims feel good so this a completely irrelevant emotional plea. Holy shit, you described a damn basic room like they're going to get a 5-star hotel? I didn't know giving prisoners something to do and not treating them like complete shit is suddenly luxurious.

[QUOTE=NotWorthy;40987994]That's a pretty naive way to put it in my honest opinion. It's basically a slap to the face of victims of serious crimes. A victim of a brutal rape, or someone beaten half to death for not handling over their cellphone - and their families - don't really want to he hear that the person who caused them so much harm and pain, because they thought they can get away with it - got into some nice 'rehabilitation facility' with a nice atmosphere, good meals, tv with the discovery channel in every cell (which looks more like a room), internet access to educational sources, courtyard that resembles a park and plenty of sport activities. Punishment will somehow bring a closure to their pain, and they deserve that. That's the nature of a human being - believing that there are consequences for actions against other people, which includes the ones that hurt you. But yes the punishment should fit the crime - ie people in there for tax evasion should be separated from rapists and treated differently - drug cartel members, children molesters and so on. And people who can't tell right from wrong because of their limited mental capacity shouldn't be there at all. That's my 2 cents anyway.[/QUOTE] i think what the victim wants is more or less irrelevant, sad to say. unless they're literally Jesus, they might find themselves wanting the criminal punished to a degree that may be very unreasonable or even flat-out amoral - the justice system needs to be objective and factual if it's to live up to its name, and i just don't think making some people feel slightly better is really worth compromising that. and honestly, it's kind of scary not only how so many people apparently need someone else to suffer for their own mental wellbeing, but how this is being encouraged under the name of "closure." i really don't want any prison systems attempting to appeal to my sense of empathy when their idea of a good time is locking some dude up for life in a barren concrete cell so someone who probably won't even see it can feel better. it just doesn't make any sense at all.

wait hold on a second, are there people in this topic are actually defending the punishment of a dude who is basically 4 year old mentally and was mostly driven to stealing actual shit, rather than garbage by a bunch of assholes? really? :suicide:

[QUOTE=Wizards Court;40988949]wait hold on a second, are there people in this topic are actually defending the punishment of a dude who is basically 4 year old mentally and was mostly driven to stealing actual shit, rather than garbage by a bunch of assholes? really? :suicide:[/QUOTE] Hehe, no - in my case - as I stated at the end of my post. As for the other contr-arguments (won't quote not to make a long post)... Yes, the statistics in Norway in regards to re-offenders is interesting to say the least - and yes some are pushed to a life of crime, due to impoverished background or bad environment influence. Still I think some don't deserve that excuse: "I raped her, because I have a really horny nature" As for the 5 star hotel I described it was a bit too reductio ad absurdum'ish. I just wish there could be a fair ratio of punishment to rehabilitation depending on the crime and it's motive. Punishment might not do anything and actually cause further feeling of alienation from the healthier part of society - but some including me - that don't believe in hell or don't want to wait that long - feel the basic human instinct of "that scumbag should pay" - again no way in hell am I referring to the mentally handicapped.

[QUOTE=NotWorthy;40989039]Punishment might not do anything and actually cause further feeling of alienation from the healthier part of society - but some including me - that don't believe in hell or don't want to wait that long - feel the basic human instinct of "that scumbag should pay" - again no way in hell am I referring to the mentally handicapped.[/QUOTE] i don't really see how this instinct is at all relevant though. the fact that some people think punishment is morally right doesn't have anything to do with its usefulness in an organized justice system - it doesn't get a free pass just because it's a base desire, if anything it should be held under closer scrutiny

[QUOTE=Bazsil;40977551]Something should have been done sooner to stop him taking other peoples' shit No one did anything and the legal system was forced to intervene, and now people are whining that the punishment wasn't to their liking? Should have acted first[/QUOTE] He has the mind of a fucking 4 year old, and that is his mental peak. This is almost like literally throwing a 4-year old in prison. Do you think they understand any of it? No. Maybe they learn that they've been bad or whatever, but this guy have extreme learning difficulties. It makes absolutely zero sense that he has to spend time there. Taking him from his safe environment could potentially mess him up pretty bad.

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;40983637]It's a justice system, not a revenge system. Punishment doesn't fix anything. [editline]10th June 2013[/editline] Prisons should be for rehabilitation and removing dangerous people from society, and purely that.[/QUOTE] rehabilitation is unjust and immoral. punishment is unjust and immoral. prison as a concept is stupid and should be abolished.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40989797]rehabilitation is unjust and immoral. punishment is unjust and immoral. prison as a concept is stupid and should be abolished.[/QUOTE] how is rehabilitation immoral.

[QUOTE=katbug;40989913]how is rehabilitation immoral.[/QUOTE] it seeks to conform members of society to be what the state deems "productive" or "healthy". that's immoral. not to mention a purely rehabilitative system would keep people in prison indefinitely, until the state deems them "rehabilitated". that's cruel and unusual punishment by any standard.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40989966]it seeks to conform members of society to be what the state deems "productive" or "healthy". that's immoral. not to mention a purely rehabilitative system would keep people in prison indefinitely, until the state deems them "rehabilitated". that's cruel and unusual punishment by any standard.[/QUOTE] i can see how rehabilitation could be seen as immoral, but surely you'd at least agree that it's better than the alternative? what do you think should be done instead of prisons?

[QUOTE=Cone;40989695]i don't really see how this instinct is at all relevant though. the fact that some people think punishment is morally right doesn't have anything to do with its usefulness in an organized justice system - it doesn't get a free pass just because it's a base desire, if anything it should be held under closer scrutiny[/QUOTE] I agree that neither instinct nor medieval code of ethics based on religion or sadistic need of revenge should be a factor. In a perfect world we would move beyond that, and the way we treat criminals would resolve in them understanding the error of their ways and the harm they have caused to others while also granting them the knowledge of alternative solutions of assuaging their desires that would not involve anything illegal or praying on the innocent, and thus try to avoid the life of crime in the future. But sorry, I obviously live in my own imaginary reality where the world is far from perfect in my eyes. to make a combined response in part to this and... [QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz] Prisons aren't made to make the victims feel good so this a completely irrelevant emotional plea.[/QUOTE] I would have to make an ASS of myself by UMING that none of you were ever a victim of a serious crime or had a close person being one. You seem to have a lot of righteous empathy for the criminal's background and how he is forced into a life devoid of empathy towards the collaterally damaged people and none so far as I can see for the victims. I know it's just the way you were born, raised and then what circles you more or less consciously entered that contributes to the sort of choices you make in life. And "free will" is a nice way of saying 'I have a good chemical balance in my brain and the right pattern of brain cell development which allows me to chose to do the right thing'. So what? We ostracize people all the time based on our assumptions and a near-sighted judgment as to what behavior makes a man/woman worth our friendship, trust and which should be condemned and we react in what we consider justified aggression - whether it being passive or active. We hate the father that beats his child - a few will dig into the fact he was beaten harder by his own dad and he never had a chance of retaliation so this anger is pent up and passes on. We hate those who at work, throw logs under our feet while sucking up to be promoted ahead of us - a very few will care to know that he might have a sick aunt that took care of him when his parents died, and the money that goes with the promotion will go a long way in covering the cost of her experimental treatment. He doesn't give a shit will do all it takes, because he ows his aunt everything. We flip off the bus driver that didn't wait 15 seconds for us to get on. To which of your minds enters the thought that yesterday was the day his boss had a meeting with him voicing his unhappiness over how he doesn't keep to the timetable as the other drivers do and is sorry to say if he doesn't improve on that they will find somebody else who can. That's how we are that is our nature - we can try and fight the bad instincts for a better future, possibly an "Equilibrium" like society - but for now we are human and we need human incentives. Yes I have a tendency to maul over an argument to the point of reductio ad absurdum, but i always try to remove as much hypocrisy in my arguments as possible.

[QUOTE=NotWorthy;40990046]I agree that neither instinct nor medieval code of ethics based on religion or sadistic need of revenge should be a factor. In a perfect world we would move beyond that, and the way we treat criminals would resolve in them understanding the error of their ways and the harm they have caused to others, and thus try to avoid the life of crime in the future. But sorry, I obviously live in my own imaginary reality where the world is far from perfect in my eyes. to make a combined response in part to this and... I would have to make an ASS of myself by UMING that non of you were ever a victim of a serious crime or had a close person being one. You seem to have a lot of righteous empathy for the criminals and none so far as I can see for the victims. I know it's just the way you were born, raised and then what circles you more or less consciously entered. And free will is a nice way of saying 'I have a good chemical balance in my brain and the right pattern of brain cell development which allows me to chose to do the right thing'. So what? We ostracize people all the time based on our assumptions and a near-sighted judgment what behavior makes a man/woman worth our friendship, trust and understanding and we react in what we consider justified aggression - whether it being passive or active. We hate the father that beats his child - a few will dig into the fact he was beaten harder by his own dad and he never had a chance of retaliation so this anger is pent up and passes on. We hate those who at work, throw logs under our feet while sucking up to be promoted ahead of us - a very few will care to know that he might have a sick aunt that took care of him when his parents died, and the money that goes with the promotion will go a long way in covering the cost of her experimental treatment. He doesn't give a shit will do all it takes, because he ows his aunt everything. We flip off the bus driver that didn't wait 15 seconds for us to get on. To which of your minds enters the thought that yesterday was the day his boss had a meeting with him voicing his unhappiness over how he doesn't keep to the timetable as the other drivers do and is sorry to say if he doesn't improve on that they will find somebody else who can. That's how we are that is our nature - we can try and fight the bad instincts for a better future, possibly an "Equilibrium" like society - but for now we are human and we need human incentives. Yes I have a tendency to maul over an argument to the point of reductio ad absurdum, but i always try to remove as much hypocrisy in my arguments as possible.[/QUOTE] flipping off a bus driver, despising a domestic abuser, and being aggravated by coworkers looking for a promotion are all so ridiculously far from life imprisonment/capital punishment that i don't even know where to begin. you can't just take something like rape or murder and compare it to being late on the fucking bus, then claim that you're supporting the victims of those crimes. and no i find it quite difficult to relate to someone who literally gets satisfaction out of the suffering of others. besides that your entire basis for this is basically "humans are sociopaths so let's nurture our sadistic side whilst claiming to be working for the benefit of victims of hideous crimes that our very own sociopaths committed! except we're [I]different[/I] from those sociopaths, because we're all just as crazy as they are and are in fact not different in the slightest bit! hooray for my crazy instinctual boner!"

[QUOTE=Cone;40990125]flipping off a bus driver, despising a domestic abuser, and being aggravated by coworkers looking for a promotion are all so ridiculously far from life imprisonment/capital punishment that i don't even know where to begin. you can't just take something like rape or murder and compare it to being late on the fucking bus, then claim that you're supporting the victims of those crimes. and no i find it quite difficult to relate to someone who literally gets satisfaction out of the suffering of others. besides that your entire basis for this is basically "humans are sociopaths so let's nurture our sadistic side whilst claiming to be working for the benefit of victims of hideous crimes that our very own sociopaths committed! except we're [I]different[/I] from those sociopaths, because we're all just as crazy as they are and are in fact not different in the slightest bit! hooray for my crazy instinctual boner!"[/QUOTE] Hehe hooray indeed, though you kinda let yourself go when choosing stating the obvious over sarcasm in one sentence., but I'm not gonna nit pick and say we're entering the dangerous drama-queen zone and that I'm not the only one making ridiculous stretches to base his argument on. No. Though I will point out that I said nothing about capital-punishment - and I in fact think a life in prison is a better solution - because it's a crap life you have to endure not because it's humane "rehabilitation" and just protecting society from those kinds of people. Let me just finally state, that a victim takes comfort not only in the fact that the person responsible might not ever do it again and be rehabilitated, but also that the one that caused him/her the pain will receive some form of reasonable pain himself. Is that really a part of all of us we should deny and repent the thoughts which origin in the way we have evolved or built society over? I'm not saying I enforce water-boarding the really bad guys - but that recent guy that kidnapped and held 2 or 3 teens as prisoners for 10 years while raping them, had a lot of time to logically and morally think about what he is doing and how society views such 'conduct'. I think he is beyond rehabilitation, and should rot in jail where there is minimal sources of enjoyment and entertainment. Sorry, I will not force my way of thinking on others or demand things to be done the way i want them to be - but my vote is on the guy with a reform that finds a balance between rehabilitation and punishment - not the one that is only focused on rehabilitation.

[QUOTE=NotWorthy;40990254]Hehe hooray indeed, though you kinda let yourself go when choosing stating the obvious over sarcasm in one sentence., but I'm not gonna nit pick and say we're entering the dangerous drama-queen zone and that I'm not the only one making ridiculous stretches to base his argument on. No. Though I will point out that I said nothing about capital-punishment - and I in fact think a life in prison is a better solution - because it's a crap life you have to endure not because it's humane "rehabilitation" and just protecting society from those kinds of people. Let me just finally state, that a victim takes comfort not only in the fact that the person responsible might not ever do it again and be rehabilitated, but also that the one that caused him/her the pain will receive some form of reasonable pain himself. Is that really a part of all of us we should deny and repent the thoughts which origin in the way we have evolved or built society over? Sorry, I will not force my way of thinking on others or demand things to be done the way i want them to be - but my vote is on the guy with a reform that finds a balance between rehabilitation and punishment - not the one that is only focused on rehabilitation.[/QUOTE] but you still haven't said why punishment is actually necessary and why it is somehow less crazy to enjoy someone else's suffering just because you've suffered yourself

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;40988409]In Norway, prisoners are actually treated like people and are actually rehabilitated. In comparison to American prisons, it's like summer camp. The result? [URL="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1986002,00.html"]Only 20% of offenders re-offend within two years of release, as opposed to the US or UK systems where that number is around 50%-60%.[/URL] Recognizing that criminals are victims themselves is an important issue to recognize. Just punishing them will just make them hate society and reoffend. Even with an abysmal prison system like the US, threatening punishment still clearly doesn't do much to deter criminal activity.[/QUOTE] In Serbia, 100% of the criminals don't do anything bad ever after they are released. Why? Because the police break their everything :v: