Health care or Russia? Democrats divided on 2018 focus - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Party strategists are split over what issue should be their top attack against Republicans.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]The Democratic Party is embroiled in a debate over where they should focus their efforts to win back political power: health care or Russia.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/24/health-care-russia-democrats-2018-focus-238789"]http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/24/health-care-russia-democrats-2018-focus-238789[/URL] [URL="https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/politico/"]https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/politico/[/URL] [IMG]https://mediabiasfactcheck.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/leftcenter03.png?w=620&h=69[/IMG] [QUOTE][B]Factual Reporting: High[/B][/QUOTE] But anyway, I think need to go (single-payer) healthcare to win over Republicans and Independents than keeping focus Russia as a distraction for nation's issues and supposedly winning over Independents. :tinfoil: Because that I'm little worried of turn this into Democratic Party's Benghazi conspiracy theory and me, I'm not 'Russian' apologist but I'm very aware Putin's international actions are not helping at all.

Health care is great and all....but Russian influence getting booted out of D.C. should seriously be a priority.

I'd personally go with Russian ties, but honestly? They have a lot they can work with to get back in the game. Not like the consequences of this administration and the doubt in Trump's leadership capabilities aren't exactly public knowledge, at this point. :rolleyes:

Democrats shouldn't have to politicize the issue of Russian interference, and wouldn't have to if the Republicans had any faith in the fact that Trump nor his associates on the campaign and/or in the current administration had any part in it.

[QUOTE=Uber22;52293716]Health care is great and all....but Russian influence getting booted out of D.C. should seriously be a priority.[/QUOTE] I agree, but I also think focusing on health care will resonate better with voters. Which makes it clear that what this article highlights is a big problem

Russia is obvious but could backfire horrifically. The democrats must field a candidate that is likeable and actually brings something substantial to the table, [I]especially[/I] in the case of monetary/financial anxieties, if they plan to win. 2016 should be proof enough that "My opposition is worse!" is not a viable political platform.

1. Jobs/Economy 2. Healthcare 3. Russia

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;52294290]1. Jobs/Economy 2. Healthcare 3. Russia[/QUOTE] I feel like national security should be somewhere in the top three there too. Whether they agree or not people are scared about terrorism and immigration, ignoring that isn't going to make it stop.

They shouldn't talk too much of Russia in the Midwest states they need to win back. The people care about their lives and health so that should be the focus. Not from some high and mighty grandstand, but a conversation to inform people how they plan on benefiting their lives/the country

[QUOTE=Uber22;52293716]Health care is great and all....but Russian influence getting booted out of D.C. should seriously be a priority.[/QUOTE] Yea keep on as D.C. only important issue, But healthcare [I]is clearly[/I] for nationwide. [editline]31st May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;52294290]1. Jobs/Economy 2. Healthcare 3. Russia[/QUOTE] Here's my 1. Voting/Election reforms 2. Jobs/Economy 3. Healthcare 4. Poverty 5. Foreign relations 6. Russian interference (Enough I unlikely believe due it's not fully confirmed (traditional mainstream media just milking from Centre-right Democrats) despite their improbable 'evidence' kinda its case and now completely wasted for issue for several months)

Are people for real about this "Russian influence" bull crap? That just feels like a coverup of the real issue of money in politics. Most of our politicians being bought out by big donors and corporations is a much bigger issue then the big Orange being influenced by Russia.

Healthcare should be the main priority

[QUOTE=Uber22;52293716]Health care is great and all....but Russian influence getting booted out of D.C. should seriously be a priority.[/QUOTE] How can people think this way? Your healthcare is horribly fucked costing thousands of lives each year but instead you think Russia is a priority over that? No wonder your healthcare system is fucked.

I find it amazing how quickly the Democrats and Republicans have switched places on Russia. At the end of the Cold War it was Republicans for new nuclear weapon systems and Democrats for reduced spending, and now its Republicans for "friend" Russia and Democrats for realising the threat Russia poses.

[QUOTE=download;52295284]I find it amazing how quickly the Democrats and Republicans have switched places on Russia. At the end of the Cold War it was Republicans for new nuclear weapon systems and Democrats for reduced spending, and now its Republicans for "friend" Russia and Democrats for realising the threat Russia poses.[/QUOTE] It's all a matter of who's team one plays on, especially in two sided partisan politics in the US. It becomes infinitely worse when matters of survival become partisan politics such as healthcare, climate change, and water. It's a loathsome game where the only ones who lose are those who make up most of the Pyramid.

[QUOTE=Uber22;52293716]Health care is great and all....but Russian influence getting booted out of D.C. should seriously be a priority.[/QUOTE] Yeah but it turns out that there are many thousands of [I]so-called Americans[/I] in the rust belt who place state capture by the Russians as a [B]lower[/B] priority than keeping Muslims out of their neighborhoods [editline]31st May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=froztshock;52294034]Russia is obvious but could backfire horrifically. The democrats must field a candidate that is likeable and actually brings something substantial to the table, [I]especially[/I] in the case of monetary/financial anxieties, if they plan to win. 2016 should be proof enough that "My opposition is worse!" is not a viable political platform.[/QUOTE] I wonder when we'll get another Obama. Whenever I think about all the hope and optimism we had in 2008 after electing Obama, it makes me sad

[QUOTE=dark soul;52294696]Are people for real about this "Russian influence" bull crap? That just feels like a coverup of the real issue of money in politics. Most of our politicians being bought out by big donors and corporations is a much bigger issue then the big Orange being influenced by Russia.[/QUOTE] I don't think politicians being bought out my big donors or corporations are as much as issue anymore, since those people are the politicians in charge. We literally voted in big business into the government with Trump.

[QUOTE=download;52295284]I find it amazing how quickly the Democrats and Republicans have switched places on Russia. At the end of the Cold War it was Republicans for new nuclear weapon systems and Democrats for reduced spending, and now its Republicans for "friend" Russia and Democrats for realising the threat Russia poses.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure it's accurate to say that they "switched". The Republicans have an unprecedented number of pro-Russia voters, but most of them are either fascists/white nationalists who see Putin as a great leader that protects white people from jews/muslims/globalists or are extremist war hawks that want a more effective strategy in fighting terror and are looking to Russia for inspiration because they get results. The Republican party never really appealed directly to any of these things, they just got endorsed by almost every pro-Russia media outlet in the world. Trump may end up forcing the Republicans to become somewhat pro-Russia in the future with all the bridges he's burning, but they haven't reached that point yet. The Democrats, on the other hand, were at most supporters of de-escalation, and only after the Cold War was won (even if it hadn't formally ended yet). For what it's worth, Putin was key to Russia's rediscovered hostility, and it took about 10 years for that to really get going. Russia was never really anyone's friend, people just had different priorities.

[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;52294337]I feel like national security should be somewhere in the top three there too. Whether they agree or not people are scared about terrorism and immigration, ignoring that isn't going to make it stop.[/QUOTE] Squeeze that under Healthcare. Can't defend a nation from invasion when your local militia groups are sick and dying, now can we?

Definitely not Russia. Russia is a serious issue, but healthcare hits much closer to home with voters.

Just let the people choose your democratic runner and not the party itself. (Radical fucking idea I know.)

Sticking to the Russian farce is a death sentence for the next round of elections. However, greater than either of these two priorities is a serious identity problem that so far the party has completely ignored. I'm concerned that the party's top political echelon is a handful of senior citizens.

[QUOTE=Chonch;52297502]Sticking to the Russian farce is a death sentence for the next round of elections. [/QUOTE] Most Americans want an independent investigation. [QUOTE=Chonch;52297502]However, greater than either of these two priorities is a serious identity problem that so far the party has completely ignored. I'm concerned that the party's top political echelon is a handful of senior citizens.[/QUOTE] I really don't think so.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;52294290]1. Jobs/Economy 2. Healthcare 3. Russia[/QUOTE] imo fixing our healthcare will help out the economy

Hey here's an idea, how about routing the corruption that swung the election to the great orange muppet?

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52298094]Hey here's an idea, how about routing the corruption that swung the election to the great orange muppet?[/QUOTE] I think people would prefer realistic goals.

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;52297767]imo fixing our healthcare will help out the economy[/QUOTE] Yeah. My fiancée recently found herself feeling suicidal from debt issues and checked herself into a hospital thinking she could talk to someone. They held her against her will for 3 days and ended up charging her 10,000 dollars for room and board and her insurance refused to cover it because she told the doctors she wasn't feeling suicidal anymore 4 hours into her stay. I don't think it helps the economy to have college graduates pushed further and further into debt. I've become pretty disillusioned with the Healthcare system.