US indicts 13 alleged members of hacker group Anonymous - Polidicks

[url]http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/10/4/13-anonymous-membersindictedoveroperationpayback.html[/url] [quote]Thirteen suspected members of Anonymous, the internet hacking group, were indicted by a U.S. jury Thursday for allegedly carrying out worldwide cyber-attacks, including targets that refused to process payments for the anti-secrecy website WikiLeaks, founded by Julian Assange. The 13 members of Anonymous were charged with conspiring to intentionally cause damage to protected computers. The U.S.-based members of Anonymous are accused of zeroing in on the computers of governments, trade associations, law firms, financial organizations and other institutions that oppose the philosophy of Anonymous to make all information free for everyone, regardless of copyright laws or national security.[/quote]

"Thirteen suspected members of Anonymous, the internet hacking group" Really?

[QUOTE=Jocken300;42405836]"Thirteen suspected members of Anonymous, the internet hacking group" Really?[/QUOTE] I think because they haven't been found guilty in court they legally have to use words like "suspected" and "alleged"

[QUOTE=Bryanrocks0;42405865]I think because they haven't been found guilty in court they legally have to use words like "suspected" and "alleged"[/QUOTE] The part he's saying "Really?" to is that they think Anonymous is a hacking group. The thought that it's a group in itself is silly.

Guess they aren't gonna make it to the next annual Anonymous meetup. Sucks too, they signed on to bring cookies.

I'm honestly not sure if the media are incompetent enough to think Anonymous is a hacking group or they're just spinning it to make it sound more sinister.

"we have dismantled Anonymous" a day later the FBI website got hacked. gg.

Why is this still even a thing

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;42406549]Guess they aren't gonna make it to the next annual Anonymous meetup. Sucks too, they signed on to bring cookies.[/QUOTE] anon-con

[QUOTE=Lukeo;42406664]I'm honestly not sure if the media are incompetent enough to think Anonymous is a hacking group or they're just spinning it to make it sound more sinister.[/QUOTE] More like what else would you call them? If they were organized and referred to themselves as 'Anonymous' then that's the label they get. There's clearly a distinction between the colloquial 'anonymous' (AKA every person that goes to a chan board) and the 'Anonymous' group that keeps popping up in the news for various hacking incidents.

[QUOTE=Lukeo;42406664]I'm honestly not sure if the media are incompetent enough to think Anonymous is a hacking group or they're just spinning it to make it sound more sinister.[/QUOTE] Well the Guy Fawkes mask wearing neckbeards who scream about "WE R LEEGUN" certainly like to cultivate that impression.

[QUOTE=catbarf;42407626]More like what else would you call them? If they were organized and referred to themselves as 'Anonymous' then that's the label they get. There's clearly a distinction between the colloquial 'anonymous' (AKA every person that goes to a chan board) and the 'Anonymous' group that keeps popping up in the news for various hacking incidents.[/QUOTE] The entire point of the Anonymous group is that it isn't a group, it's more of the idea. Anyone could claim to be part of the Anonymous group and the government could claim any hackers belong to the group, and both statements are false.

Anonymous is so decentralized that I would even call it a proper group.

In other news a group of so called "not-me's" is being investigated over the alleged lunch theft.

It still amazes me why they even put a name to a bunch of alleged hackers which is very much unlike a group really.

So much for anonymity, huh?

[QUOTE=Protocol7;42407660]The entire point of the Anonymous group is that it isn't a group, it's more of the idea. Anyone could claim to be part of the Anonymous group and the government could claim any hackers belong to the group, and both statements are false.[/QUOTE] So what would you call them? If they self-identify as Anonymous then how is that not a valid label? There's a parallel here in the form of organizations like Al-Qaeda or Hamas. Terrorist groups operate as largely independent cells with minimal contact with one another, but we still refer to them by the name of their parent organization because it's what they identify as. They're working for a common cause, with common methods.

[QUOTE=catbarf;42407626]More like what else would you call them? If they were organized and referred to themselves as 'Anonymous' then that's the label they get. There's clearly a distinction between the colloquial 'anonymous' (AKA every person that goes to a chan board) and the 'Anonymous' group that keeps popping up in the news for various hacking incidents.[/QUOTE] It's a case of historical vindication. Back during the Project Chanology days they were using "anonymous" as a catch-all because they WERE anonymous. They were a faceless voice, it wasn't a specific name or title, it was literally anonimity.

[QUOTE=catbarf;42408040]So what would you call them? If they self-identify as Anonymous then how is that not a valid label? There's a parallel here in the form of organizations like Al-Qaeda or Hamas. Terrorist groups operate as largely independent cells with minimal contact with one another, but we still refer to them by the name of their parent organization because it's what they identify as. They're working for a common cause, with common methods.[/QUOTE] I think that better comparison is anarchists. Why they are not necessarily anarchists, they are also a [I]group[/I], but by principle, not anyhow coordinated as that would preclude their very nature. If this particular bunch was involved in something bigger, I would say that it was a group of self called [I]anonymous internet users[/I].

there are literally people who calls themselves "Anonymous" as if it is a hacking group so I can't say I blame them. There's no centralized group, but there are a bunch of small groups that use the banner.

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[QUOTE=catbarf;42408040]So what would you call them? If they self-identify as Anonymous then how is that not a valid label? There's a parallel here in the form of organizations like Al-Qaeda or Hamas. Terrorist groups operate as largely independent cells with minimal contact with one another, but we still refer to them by the name of their parent organization because it's what they identify as. They're working for a common cause, with common methods.[/QUOTE] Who is "they"? How do you know the 13 people the gov picked up are computer hackers? How do you know they're all connected? Anonymous is not one group. There may be repeat offenders, sure, but saying a few repeat people represent an entire group is a pretty big stretch.

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