• You’re not hallucinating, MPs really did pass crazy bad drug law
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[t]https://d1o50x50snmhul.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/cx914m-1200x800.jpg[/t] [QUOTE]A new ban on psychoactive substances in the UK is a catch-all backward step that ranks as one of the most unhelpful laws ever passed, says Clare Wilson[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.newscientist.com/article/2074813-youre-not-hallucinating-mps-really-did-pass-crazy-bad-drug-law/[/url]
[QUOTE]I have some remaining concerns, as the Minister will be aware, particularly on [B]poppers[/B]. I look forward to the review. I remain concerned about distinguishing between people buying online and people buying down a dark alley from a drug dealer. I understand that the Minister has said that that is not the intention behind the Bill, and I accept that. I just want to quote him: “The spirit of the Bill is that we do not want to criminalise individuals for possession”.—[Official Report, 19 October 2015; Vol. 600, c. 737.] He also said: “Possession in a club would not be an offence; indeed, possession is not an offence under any part of the legislation”, and: “Purchase and possession would be legal… so there would be no illegality on the part of the individual.”––[Official Report, Psychoactive Substances Public Bill Committee, 27 October 2015; c. 37-63.] Mike Penning: In the spirit with which we have taken the Bill through, I just wanted to say that the Bill does make possession illegal in secure institutions. Anne McLaughlin: I understand that—as the Minister knows, I am against it—but I was referring specifically to buying substances on the internet. We were unable to have those words included in the Bill today, but we do have the Minister’s words on the record, and lawyers will be able to use them if they have to. My intention in all this is to protect people on two fronts: to protect their health by supporting the Bill in the first place, and to protect them from being criminalised for making a foolish mistake on one occasion. I commend the Bill as it stands, and, if it turns out that we are right about some aspects, I hope that it will be amended at a later stage. 5.31 pm Mrs Flick Drummond (Portsmouth South) (Con): I know that time is limited so I shall be very quick. I am absolutely delighted with this Bill. I have worked for a long time, before being elected to this place, with a number of families [B]who have suffered terribly from the effects of these dangerous chemicals[/B]. I have heard at first hand their stories at meetings of organisations such as Rebound, ANA and other charities I have worked with.[/QUOTE] What? :v:
I am confused to what these are and why it is bad?
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;49585125]I am confused to what these are and why it is bad?[/QUOTE] The short version is that we're banning drugs that are less harmful than alcohol and cigarettes because our politicians are idiots and don't understand what they're even discussing The end result is that people that "suffered" before still suffer, only now even more because their new suppliers are criminals that don't make the product to a professional and hence safe standard So all in all its fucking dumb
Crazy that they've banned poppers, you've been able to buy them from cornershops since forever. Poppers are probably one of the first drugs you'll do. They're harmless, they just make you really light headed and bright red for about 30 seconds.
It's kind of endearing that as much as the US and the EU give each other shit, both of our governments are absolutely retarded.
Just ban alcohol and fags whilst you're at it, Tories. Oh wait, you won't do that, will you? Because they're a lovely pair of cash cows and you're about as principled with drugs as you are with anything else which brings the money in, unless it's cannabis for some reason.
The Tories really enjoy moving backwards don't they
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;49585378]It's kind of endearing that as much as the US and the EU give each other shit, both of our governments are absolutely retarded.[/QUOTE] EU =/= UK
[QUOTE=Asgard;49585668]EU =/= UK[/QUOTE] The EU is also pretty bad, especially when it comes to drug prohibition.
poppers are what you take before you do anal, right?
[QUOTE=Tacooo;49585486]The Tories really enjoy moving backwards don't they[/QUOTE] please for the god don't reelect them UK
[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;49585974]poppers are what you take before you do anal, right?[/QUOTE] Apparently they relax your sphincter muscles making it easier for anal, so yes.
Believe it or not, I'm actually an undergrad currently doing research on Novel Psychoactive Substances (NPS). This blanket ban has been talked about for a little while now and while it's quite a knee jerk reaction to ban all substances (such as poppers) I can understand wanting a widespread ban. Just take a look at the European Early Warning System for NPS ([url]http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/2015/new-psychoactive-substances[/url]) there were 101 new psychoactive substances reported for the first time in 2014 and over 400 currently on the monitoring list. The issue is it's hard to fully characterise these substances and find the potential danger to the people who take them. Some people are willing to assume that they are relatively safe to assume that because they are sold in shops and online, relying on packaging to provide information of what's in them. However, from my own research it's clear that these legal highs can actually be different chemicals entirely or something worse, my supervisor went through hours of analysis only to find the contents of one packet was ground up glass. That's not to say that all legal highs are poorly produced, there are a few which are what they say. The uncertainty between batches is what is cause for concern in my eyes, if the funds were put into researching these chemicals then we could understand what's in them. Better yet legalise them and ensure that they are produced in labs or factories that are accredited to ISO standards, that way everything put in them can be traced back to a source and each batch will be monitored for impurities so the public is taking exactly what they think they are without fear of unwanted side effects. A complete blanket ban, while having good intentions, is just a complete misstep.
what are poppers?
[QUOTE=OneFourth;49586710]what are poppers?[/QUOTE] Illegal
[QUOTE=OneFourth;49586710]what are poppers?[/QUOTE] Poppers are a common name for a group of chemical compounds called Alkyl Nitrites ([url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkyl_nitrites[/url]). They're volatile organic compounds that when inhaled will act as a muscle relxant. They're popular amongst people who have a lot of anal sex (as it relaxes your butt muscles).
[QUOTE=OneFourth;49586710]what are poppers?[/QUOTE] They're bad mmkay?
People getting butthurt about poppers getting banned Oh it actually makes sense
And yet again the government is an international embarassment
[quote]So “ban everything that gets you high” was the government’s reaction – and this bill is the result.[/quote] Anything to keep the soccer mom's happy that their little junior won't run naked through the streets huh Why don't they spent minimum funding on animal and human experiments of these drugs and conclude an official governmental user's guide on it's effects, rather than this "deny then ignore" thing? I know that there's a ton of RC's that can have severe effects, so isn't it better to provide a way for the user to know that if they're gonna do a drug then at least they'll know if they're in shit or not?' Or fuck anything besides this "ayy they are illegal now nobody will do it duhhh" ideal. All banning drugs will do is change the title of the user from "consumer" to "criminal"
[QUOTE=Tools;49587533]Anything to keep the soccer mom's happy that their little junior won't run naked through the streets huh Why don't they spent minimum funding on animal and human experiments of these drugs and conclude an official governmental user's guide on it's effects, rather than this "deny then ignore" thing? I know that there's a ton of RC's that can have severe effects, so isn't it better to provide a way for the user to know that if they're gonna do a drug then at least they'll know if they're in shit or not?' Or fuck anything besides this "ayy they are illegal now nobody will do it duhhh" ideal. All banning drugs will do is change the title of the user from "consumer" to "criminal"[/QUOTE] Take this with a grain of salt but from what I've read based on google search is that it doesn't make consumption illegal and doesn't make ordering from outside of the country illegal, so it might just be useless overall.
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;49586236]please for the god don't reelect them UK[/QUOTE] Better than the alternative We knew this was coming. I do find it interesting the insistence on carrying on the War on Drugs. I'm not quite sure where the impetus comes from. People in this thread are claiming that it is 'soccer moms', but they aren't important votes for the Tories. They most important votes are lower middle class in swing seats and to a lesser extent, older people. However, I don't see it being very likely that old people are behind this campaign or that the conservatives are concerned that people might move over to some other party if they were too soft.
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