looks really interesting
but these companies need to drop the bullshit claim "they stole from us"
You can't literally steal anything on the internet you just copy it and copy it, the original version is always in-tact and unharmed you just spawn clones of it
but the ship can't be sunk, there's tons of mirrors out there in case it sinks, nothing will be able to stop that site
How much will this movie cost when it gets released?
oh wait
I don't know why that the media and the government specifically target TPB, because even if they manage to take it down, another site will just take it's place amongst the other hundreds of torrent sites on the internet.
[QUOTE=Sourcegamer8;39191593]I don't know why that the media and the government specifically target TPB, because even if they manage to take it down, another site will just take it's place amongst the other hundreds of torrent sites on the internet.[/QUOTE]
ergo no attempt should be made whatsoever to do anything
[QUOTE=Jocke;39191574]How much will this movie cost when it gets released?[/QUOTE]
The film will be released for free online at the premiere of a major film festival. Release date to be announced during Jan 2013.
[QUOTE=Sourcegamer8;39191593]I don't know why that the media and the government specifically target TPB, because even if they manage to take it down, another site will just take it's place amongst the other hundreds of torrent sites on the internet.[/QUOTE]
It's the shining beacon for piracy. You take it down, and every moron pats themselves on the back and acts like they've made a difference.
And then it springs back up again in ten minutes anyway.
And then we have a huge shitstorm where some people argue piracy is stealing and some people argue it ain't.
Since it's a free movie I'll probably download it. I guess it's too bad for non-Swedes since it seems to be in Swedish.
Oh and taking down TPB isn't going to work. You cannot fix a problem by treating symptoms, you have to fix the cause.
[QUOTE=jiggu;39191866]And then we have a huge shitstorm where some people argue piracy is stealing and some people argue it ain't.
Since it's a free movie I'll probably download it. I guess it's too bad for non-Swedes since it seems to be in Swedish.
Oh and taking down TPB isn't going to work. You cannot fix a problem by treating symptoms, you have to fix the cause.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I mean why does anybody catch criminals at all?
"Download it - Spring 2013"
Ha.
[QUOTE=scout1;39191916]Yeah I mean why does anybody catch criminals at all?[/QUOTE]
What he means is what has always been argued with pirating software, movies, and music. These industries rely on business models of the 1980's and before. It is inconvenient to go out and buy movies because they are plastered with in the beginning that the general population does not know how to skip. Music is either tied to some account like amazon or itunes, or you have to buy a physical copy which many times doesn't include the 'bonus tracks' that the digital downloads include. Finally, many games have ridiculous DRM software attached to them which make them a pain in the ass to play. I personally purchased Far Cry 3 and then proceeded to download a crack for it just so I did not have to sign up for uPlay. These have been even worse examples in the past that I am sure you have heard about (securom and such).
Just trying to remove a single website is just putting a bandaid on an axe wound. The industry needs to change their marketing and business scheme to be competitive in the 21st century.
[QUOTE=Sourcegamer8;39191593]I don't know why that the media and the government specifically target TPB, because even if they manage to take it down, another site will just take it's place amongst the other hundreds of torrent sites on the internet.[/QUOTE]
It's more than just another torrent site. It's a symbol
[QUOTE=scout1;39191916]Yeah I mean why does anybody catch criminals at all?[/QUOTE]
"we can't capture those durn internet pirates, better give up completely and stop doing anything"
You have 12 year old's logic
They seem douchy, but in a funny self-parodizing way.
[QUOTE=scout1;39191788]ergo no attempt should be made whatsoever to do anything[/QUOTE]
correct
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;39191517]looks really interesting
but these companies need to drop the bullshit claim "they stole from us"
You can't literally steal anything on the internet you just copy it and copy it, the original version is always in-tact and unharmed you just spawn clones of it
but the ship can't be sunk, there's tons of mirrors out there in case it sinks, nothing will be able to stop that site[/QUOTE]
It's getting a product for free that costs money.
What's that called?
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;39193685]It's getting a product for free that costs money.
What's that called?[/QUOTE]
being thrifty
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;39193685]It's getting a product for free that costs money.
What's that called?[/QUOTE]
Piracy
You're not depleting the amount of copies of something that exists, you're not costing the company any money.
[QUOTE=The Last Man;39193069]What he means is what has always been argued with pirating software, movies, and music. These industries rely on business models of the 1980's and before. It is inconvenient to go out and buy movies because they are plastered with in the beginning that the general population does not know how to skip. Music is either tied to some account like amazon or itunes, or you have to buy a physical copy which many times doesn't include the 'bonus tracks' that the digital downloads include. Finally, many games have ridiculous DRM software attached to them which make them a pain in the ass to play. I personally purchased Far Cry 3 and then proceeded to download a crack for it just so I did not have to sign up for uPlay. These have been even worse examples in the past that I am sure you have heard about (securom and such).
Just trying to remove a single website is just putting a bandaid on an axe wound. The industry needs to change their marketing and business scheme to be competitive in the 21st century.[/QUOTE]
You sure are showing them by pirating their products and waving your potential consumer money in front of their face. That'll make them change their ways, for sure
[QUOTE=Tacosheller;39195495]Piracy
You're not depleting the amount of copies of something that exists, you're not costing the company any money.[/QUOTE]
But piracy depletes potential profits.
And when that happens, they might decide to increase prices, which in turn hurts the paying customer.
[QUOTE=Coffee;39196045]But piracy depletes potential profits.
And when that happens, they might decide to increase prices, which in turn hurts the paying customer.[/QUOTE]
But that's still not theft, no one is actually having anything taken from them. Piracy isn't theft, it's copyright infringement.
That doesn't make it okay, but it's not the same offense.
[QUOTE=Coffee;39196045]But piracy depletes potential profits.
And when that happens, they might decide to increase prices, which in turn hurts the paying customer.[/QUOTE]
Which drives more paying customers to piracy.
[QUOTE=Coffee;39196045]But piracy depletes potential profits.
And when that happens, they might decide to increase prices, which in turn hurts the paying customer.[/QUOTE]
Potential profit is bullshit, sorry
If they can't afford it they aren't going to buy it.
[editline]13th January 2013[/editline]
And if they were even willing to buy it they would
Personally, I think they should stop fretting over internet piracy, put the funds some where else to, oh I don't know, stop actual piracy that ends up in people getting killed if not fought?
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;39191517]looks really interesting
but these companies need to drop the bullshit claim "they stole from us"
You can't literally steal anything on the internet you just copy it and copy it, the original version is always in-tact and unharmed you just spawn clones of it
but the ship can't be sunk, there's tons of mirrors out there in case it sinks, nothing will be able to stop that site[/QUOTE]
pirate sympathizer here, it's still theft. you're consuming a product without purchasing it, you're stealing it.
Thinking of piracy as harmless to the business and not calling is theft is insane.
Sure, you're not taking anything away from the companies (physically) but [b]through buying digital goods you're not doing that either[/b]. All digital business is based on buying copies of things that can be duplicated indefinitely.
What some people fail to observe is that piracy is not a solution for the poor. Few idealist consumers would choose paying for a product instead of getting it for free with practically no repercussions at all.
Imagine this - you run a bakery. One day, a long-haired guy walks in and buys a loaf of bread. That guy turns out to be Jesus Christ - he walks out of your shop and starts multiplying the bread with his godly powers and giving it to everyone around him, including your potential customers. Does he steal your bread physically? No. Does he destroy your business?
Hell yes.
Piracy is a crime.
Oh gee, imagine all those people that would've bought Photoshop if they hadn't pirated it.
Basically the logic that alot of companies are using, they really need to get their shit together.
The best thing to do is to make the product so accessible, and possibly affordable so that it's more of a hassle to download it illegaly than to buy it.
Minecraft, Steam amongst others do this in a way that doesn't ruin anything for the people that buy it, but makes it a hassle if you want to pirate it.
[QUOTE=Adbor;39198095]Thinking of piracy as harmless to the business and not calling is theft is insane.
Sure, you're not taking anything away from the companies (physically) but [b]through buying digital goods you're not doing that either[/b]. All digital business is based on buying copies of things that can be duplicated indefinitely.
What some people fail to observe is that piracy is not a solution for the poor. Few idealist consumers would choose paying for a product instead of getting it for free with practically no repercussions at all.
Imagine this - you run a bakery. One day, a long-haired guy walks in and buys a loaf of bread. That guy turns out to be Jesus Christ - he walks out of your shop and starts multiplying the bread with his godly powers and giving it to everyone around him, including your potential customers. Does he steal your bread physically? No. Does he destroy your business?
Hell yes.
Piracy is a crime.[/QUOTE]
It's more complicated than that. All what you said operates under the function that all those people would buy his bread if no other alternative was present, which of course they would since we have to eat food. Buying games however is not, entertainment isn't mandatory. If I were to pirate a game just because it's free, but I would never have bought it in the first place then they haven't lost any money from my actions, because they would never have gained any in the first place.
But of course there are cheapskates that just go for the cheap thing and torrent instead of buying a game. Then there's the people that torrent a game to demo it and buy it if it was worth their money.
It just goes on. Companies claim piracy steals loads of money from them, there's proof here and there showing that they're just bullshitting. But of course they do lose some money because of piracy.
In my opinion if companies would actually treat their customers properly, give out real demos and information about the game as well as design it properly then piracy would be minimal. But I'm just acting on my own morality that I'd never torrent a game from a developer that I respect, and for the most part I simply don't play games at all from devs I don't respect since I can already tell they're shit.
[QUOTE=Adbor;39198095]Thinking of piracy as harmless to the business and not calling is theft is insane.
Sure, you're not taking anything away from the companies (physically) but [b]through buying digital goods you're not doing that either[/b]. All digital business is based on buying copies of things that can be duplicated indefinitely.
What some people fail to observe is that piracy is not a solution for the poor. Few idealist consumers would choose paying for a product instead of getting it for free with practically no repercussions at all.
Imagine this - you run a bakery. One day, a long-haired guy walks in and buys a loaf of bread. That guy turns out to be Jesus Christ - he walks out of your shop and starts multiplying the bread with his godly powers and giving it to everyone around him, including your potential customers. Does he steal your bread physically? No. Does he destroy your business?
Hell yes.
Piracy is a crime.[/QUOTE]
Fuck the bread, Jesus has returned and it's judgement day.
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