Israeli bulldozers destroy 6 Palestinian Homes in east Jerusalem - Polidicks

[quote=Haaretz] Israel razed on Tuesday an inhabited Palestinian home in East Jerusalem for the first time in eight months, effectively ending an unofficial freeze of such internationally condemned demolitions. A Reuters photographer witnessed a Palestinian family removing its belongings from the house in East Jerusalem's Beit Hanina neighborhood before an Israeli excavator tore into the dwelling. "They can build hundreds of settlements but I'm not entitled to live in a shack?" asked Linda al-Rajabi outside the demolished dwelling she shared with her husband and their five children. Israel's Jerusalem municipality said the home was built without a city permit. The demolition seemed certain to draw a new wave of international criticism of Israeli policy toward Palestinians in East Jerusalem, an area captured in the 1967 Six-Day War [highlight]and annexed by Israel in a move that has not won international recognition.[/highlight] The dwelling was razed a week after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu held White House talks with U.S. President Barack Obama to patch up relations strained by Israeli settlement policy in East Jerusalem and the West Bank. Netanyahu promised Obama "concrete steps" - confidence-building measures - within weeks to try to coax the Palestinians back into direct peace negotiations. Washington has publicly urged Israel not to demolish Palestinian homes built without permits. Palestinians, who want East Jerusalem as the capital of a future state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, say it is impossible to obtain construction approval from Israeli authorities. "The United States has made clear that it disagrees with some Government of Israel actions in Jerusalem that affect Palestinians in areas such as housing, including home demolitions, and has urged all parties to avoid actions that could undermine trust," a U.S. official said in response to the demolition. "This underscores the need for a permanent status agreement that resolves all outstanding issues between the parties, including Jerusalem, and which results in a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict," the official said. Israel had refrained from implementing demolition orders since November in the politically sensitive Jerusalem area, after U.S. pressure not to take steps that could jeopardize peace talks with the Palestinians. Netanyahu intervened several months ago to postpone city plans to demolish about 20 homes in another part of East Jerusalem, where the Israeli municipality is planning a new housing project. Earlier on Tuesday, Israel razed two unfinished Palestinian homes and part of a factory in East Jerusalem. Dozens of armed border police guarded an excavator as it tore apart the foundations of the cement structures in the Issawiya section of East Jerusalem. There was no violence, a police spokesman said. Palestinian resident Basem Isawi, 48, an unemployed contractor, said one of the structures was his own unfinished home. He built it illegally, he said, spending about $25,000, because he knew the municipality would not give him a permit. He had been notified of the impending demolition but did not know when it was slated to happen, he said. [/quote] I am convinced Israel does not want peace at all. And don't post that "They didn't have a permit" crap. Israel has denied [highlight]94%[/highlight] [URL="http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/06/12/israel-stop-demolishing-palestinian-homes"]Palestinian home permits[/URL]. So, you're given no other option but to build a house without a permit, then Israel destroys it.

Ha, Holy war. :downswords:

[QUOTE=starpluck;23357221] So, you're given no other option but to build a house without a permit, then Israel destroys it.[/QUOTE] How is "build a house anyway" the only other option? Wouldn't the other option be "not be a house because it's going to be bulldozed"?

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;23357253]How is "build a house anyway" the only other option? Wouldn't the other option be "not be a house because it's going to be bulldozed"?[/QUOTE] People need shelter...

"There be no shelter here."

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;23357253]How is "build a house anyway" the only other option? Wouldn't the other option be "not be a house because it's going to be bulldozed"?[/QUOTE]In other words, go homeless.

What the fuck happened to the Peace talks.

[QUOTE=DesolateGrun;23357444]What the fuck happened to the Peace talks.[/QUOTE] Israel.

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:20bux: BurnMeDown joins in in the next 5-10 minutes.

He'll probably be arguing it's legal, even though the faults of that are obvious.

It's obvious Israel is doing this legally and I totally justify it. By the way I'm BurnEmDown. [editline]08:29PM[/editline] Also; MY ARM IS FUCKING PARALYZED BECAUSE IF ALL THE BLOOD GOES AWAY IT COULD BE PARALYZED BELIEVE ME I TOOK A CLASS IN ANATOMY

[QUOTE=starpluck;23357307]People need shelter...[/QUOTE] I'm not saying they don't, I'm just saying that "building a home anyway" isn't what you do as your final option. You either go homeless or go someplace else. If they build the house, they just tear it down anyway, and they know that, that's why it's not a final option. I'm not saying what Israel did is right, I'm just saying that what you said is wrong.

Herp de fucking derp Israel just keep pushing everyone the results will be magnificent.

I think we (the united states) should threaten to cut off all support for Israel.

If a stupid law is hurting you don't cross it and then complain, complain until it's changed and then do what you want. I agree that it's wrong how Israel won't allow many permits in east Jerusalem, it's a right-wing policy by a right-wing mayor and many left-wingers such as myself oppose it, but just doing whatever you want even though the rules say otherwise is even stupider, than those stupid rules.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;23358114]I think we (the united states) should threaten to cut off all support for Israel.[/QUOTE] Not going to happen anytime soon. The US apparently enjoys having Israels dick so far up its ass.

[QUOTE=Sickle;23357863]It's obvious Israel is doing this legally and I totally justify it. By the way I'm BurnEmDown. [editline]08:29PM[/editline] Also; MY ARM IS FUCKING PARALYZED BECAUSE IF ALL THE BLOOD GOES AWAY IT COULD BE PARALYZED BELIEVE ME I TOOK A CLASS IN ANATOMY[/QUOTE] lol, you really have something personal against me don't you?

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23358670]lol, you really have something personal against me don't you?[/QUOTE] No shit.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23358392][B]If a stupid law is hurting you don't cross it and then complain, complain until it's changed and then do what you want.[/B] I agree that it's wrong how Israel won't allow many permits in east Jerusalem, it's a right-wing policy by a right-wing mayor and many left-wingers such as myself oppose it, but just doing whatever you want even though the rules say otherwise is even stupider, than those stupid rules.[/QUOTE] Yeah imagine bitching about how your house just got bulldozed, the fucking nerve nerve of those Palestinians is fucking amazing, first they have the fucking gall to build a home without a permit, and then bitch when they have no where to sleep, serves em right the bastards.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23358392]If a stupid law is hurting you don't cross it and then complain, complain until it's changed and then do what you want. I agree that it's wrong how Israel won't allow many permits in east Jerusalem, it's a right-wing policy by a right-wing mayor and many left-wingers such as myself oppose it, but just doing whatever you want even though the rules say otherwise is even stupider, than those stupid rules.[/QUOTE] Ah, so if government passes "stupid" and possibly corrupt/immoral rules it's only [i]stupider[/i] to fight back? Only [i]stupid[/i] people fight back against whats wrong, right.. sounds like you have no spine. Founding Fathers/Colonists were [i]stupid[/i], Solidarity movement was [i]stupid[/i] etc etc.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23358392]If a stupid law is hurting you don't cross it and then complain, complain until it's changed and then do what you want. I agree that it's wrong how Israel won't allow many permits in east Jerusalem, it's a right-wing policy by a right-wing mayor and many left-wingers such as myself oppose it, but just doing whatever you want even though the rules say otherwise is even stupider, than those stupid rules.[/QUOTE] typically if a law is stupid you /should/ fight it.

[QUOTE=Sporkfire;23359012]Ah, so if government passes "stupid" and possibly corrupt/immoral rules it's only [I]stupider[/I] to fight back? Only [I]stupid[/I] people fight back against whats wrong, right.. sounds like you have no spine. Founding Fathers/Colonists were [I]stupid[/I], Solidarity movement was [I]stupid[/I] etc etc.[/QUOTE] Nelson Mandela was an idiot.

Yeah they were stupid too, but it was a different time. Zionism had its fair share of stupid people too, like the ones who used terror and attacked the Arabs, they thought "the laws protecting the Arabs are stupid, let's just break them!" And so do a lot of people who are doing the most stupid things ever, like the settlers shooting at a 16 year old. The law is there for a reason, and if it's not a good reason, it will be changed and the people should change it by diplomatic means. I mean what if they built their homes on a place that was really important for Jerusalem's infrastructure, like a future train station or something, I donnu. If they really only cared about getting a house, and not that it's in east Jerusalem, they could ask for a permit in the West Bank or something which would have been probably approved.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23359134]Yeah they were stupid too, but it was a different time. [/QUOTE] Wait did you just call the Founding Fathers, Nelson Mandela, and the likes stupid? [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23359134]they thought "the laws protecting the Arabs are stupid, let's just break them!" [/QUOTE] Thats different because it protected people, this topic is about Palestinians not being able to build homes where they should be able to.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23358392]If a stupid law is hurting you don't cross it and then complain, complain until it's changed and then do what you want. I agree that it's wrong how Israel won't allow many permits in east Jerusalem, it's a right-wing policy by a right-wing mayor and many left-wingers such as myself oppose it, but just doing whatever you want even though the rules say otherwise is even stupider, than those stupid rules.[/QUOTE] You are left sided in politics ? What the fuck you, you act like you are a nationalist but you say you are left sided ?

Abbas and Netanyahu are placed into a small room with a suitcase containing $100,000 of cash. The owner of the suitcase offers them the following: "I'll give you all the money in the suitcase, but only on the condition that you negotiate and reach an amicable agreement on its division. That’s the only way I will give you the money. " Abbas, who is a rational person, appreciates the golden opportunity presented to him and turns to Netanyahu with the obvious suggestion: "Come, you take half the amount, I'll take the other half, and each of us will go away with $50,000." To his surprise, Netanyahu with a serious look on his face and a determined voice says: "Listen, I do not know what your intentions are with the money, but I'm not leaving this room with less than $90,000. Take it or leave it. I’m fully prepared to go home with nothing." Abbas can not believe his ears. What happened to Netanyahu? he thinks to himself. Why should he get 90%, and I only 10%? He decides to try to talk to Netanyahu. "Come, be reasonable," he pleads. "We're both in this together, and we both want the money. Come let’s share the amount equally and we’ll both come out ahead.” But the reasoned explanation of his friend does not seem to register on Netanyahu. He listens attentively to Abbas words, but then declares even more emphatically, "There is nothing to discuss. 90-10 or nothing, that's my final offer!" Abbas face turns red with anger. He wants to smack Netanyahu across his face, but soon reconsiders. He realizes that Netanyahu is determined to leave with the majority of the money, and that the only way for him to leave the room with any money is to surrender to Netanyahu blackmail. He straightens his clothes, pulls out a wad of bills from the suitcase in the amount of $10,000, shakes hands with Netanyahu and leaves the room looking forlorn. This case in Game Theory is called the “Blackmailer Paradox." The paradox emerging from this case is that the rational Abbas is eventually forced to act clearly irrationally, in order to gain the maximum available to him. The logic behind this bizarre result is that Netanyahu broadcast total faith and confidence in his excessive demands, and he is able to convince Abbas to yield to his blackmail in order for him to receive the minimum benefit.

The whole Israeli–Palestinian conflict is fucking stupid they kill their civilians, they kill theirs. what the hell is the point

[QUOTE=Sporkfire;23359179]Wait did you just call the Founding Fathers, Nelson Mandela, and the likes stupid? Thats different because it protected people, this topic is about Palestinians not being able to build homes where they should be able to.[/QUOTE] Many people say that the founding fathers of the US should have tried a more diplomatic approach that wouldn't have started a war. I think a famous (American) professor wrote a book about "the 3 American holy wars" or something like that, talking about the American war of independence, and the two world wars, and America's mistakes in them. Can't remember the professor's name though, but I do remember that he's really, really old. [QUOTE=Zarfa;23359202]You are left sided in politics ? What the fuck you, you act like you are a nationalist but you say you are left sided ?[/QUOTE] I don't act like a nationalist and I'm not really one, people here brand me as one because I defend what I think is true. I mean I'm probably going to move to Europe or north America as soon as I can, would a nationalist move from his homeland like that? I don't think so. [QUOTE=starpluck;23359493]*game theory*[/QUOTE] Cool, I'm reading the book too, didn't get far though. Anyway this short story would be truer to life if the names were opposite, considering how Netanyahu wants to start direct peace talks and Abbas refuses.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23359134] The law is there for a reason, and if it's not a good reason, it will be changed and the people should change it by diplomatic means. I mean what if they built their homes on a place that was really important for Jerusalem's infrastructure, like a future train station or something, I donnu. If they really only cared about getting a house, and not that it's in east Jerusalem, they could ask for a permit in the West Bank or something which would have been probably approved.[/QUOTE] It's their house, why should it be destroyed for Israel