29-year study of 100 billion animals being fed over a trillion meals seems to bring closure to GMO d - Polidicks

[quote=Forbes]Estimates of the numbers of meals consumed by feed animals since the introduction of GM crops 18 years ago would number well into the trillions. By common sense alone, if GE feed were causing unusual problems among livestock, farmers would have noticed. Dead and sick animals would literally litter farms around the world. Yet there are no anecdotal reports of such mass health problems. But we don’t need to depend on anecdotes to address these concerns. Writing in the [URL="http://www.journalofanimalscience.org/content/early/2014/08/27/jas.2014-8124"][I][U]Journal of Animal Science[/U][/I][/URL], in the most comprehensive study of GMOs and food ever conducted, University of California-Davis Department of Animal Science geneticist [URL="http://animalscience.ucdavis.edu/faculty/vaneenennaam/"][U]Alison Van Eenennaam[/U][/URL] and research assistant Amy E. Young reviewed 29 years of livestock productivity and health data from both before and after the introduction of genetically engineered animal feed. [[I]NOTE: article is behind a paywall until October 1.[/I]] The field data represented more than 100 billion animals covering a period before 1996 when animal feed was 100% non-GMO, and after its introduction when it jumped to 90% and more. The documentation included the records of animals examined pre and post mortem, as ill cattle cannot be approved for meat. What did they find? That GM feed is safe and nutritionally equivalent to non-GMO feed. There was no indication of any unusual trends in the health of animals since 1996 when GMO crops were first harvested. Considering the size of the dataset, it can reasonably be said that the debate over the impact of GE feed on animal health is closed: there is zero extraordinary impact. The Van Eenennaam study corresponds to other reviews of animal feeding data, some multi-generational and as long two years. [/quote] [url]http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonentine/2014/09/17/the-debate-about-gmo-safety-is-over-thanks-to-a-new-trillion-meal-study/[/url] note i say "seems"; i doubt this will stop anti-GMO activists at all

[QUOTE=TheHydra;46026475]i doubt this will stop anti-GMO activists at all[/QUOTE] Years of study results never stopped anti-vaccers either

in order to combat people being dumb about gmo foods i go out of my way to make sure everything i eat has been genetically modified in some way

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;46026604]in order to combat people being dumb about gmo foods i go out of my way to make sure everything i eat has been genetically modified in some way[/QUOTE] Reminds me of Maddox's thing. "I'll eat 3 animals for everyone one you don't."

At one of the public physics lectures my university holds every couple of weeks, a biophysicist was giving a pretty general overview of how physics is applied to cellular biology. When it came time for questions, probably about half were regarding GMO foods. Complete waste of everyone's time, I felt bad for the speaker since he didn't really get to answer any questions that had anything to do with his work.

Pretty clear cut to me. [IMG]http://files.recipetips.com/kitchen/images/refimages/pork/sliceham/cutsliceboneless.jpg[/IMG]

I prefer MY corn to be Non GMO personally. [t]http://www.life.illinois.edu/ib/363/image/PrimitiveCorn2.jpeg[/t]

I don't know what's my posture towards anti GMO people is, really. It's like some folks, sadly, put in the same baggage GMO and Monsanto. Notice "Monsanto", because, well, they DO REALLY have extremely shitty practices and they actually don't give a fuck about how contaminating or poisonous their pesticides/fertilizers are...some shaddy stuff has come up here in Argentina. Plus that "If your seeds have 0,1% of something ours then you have to pay us" is pure bollocks. But apart from that, GMO FTW.

[QUOTE=TheLolrus;46026503]Years of study results never stopped anti-vaccers either[/QUOTE] The difference being that there aren't entire European countries and large political parties against vaccines.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;46026894]I don't know what's my posture towards anti GMO people is, really. It's like some folks, sadly, put in the same baggage GMO and Monsanto. Notice "Monsanto", because, well, they DO REALLY have extremely shitty practices and they actually don't give a fuck about how contaminating or poisonous their pesticides/fertilizers are...some shaddy stuff has come up here in Argentina. Plus that "If your seeds have 0,1% of something ours then you have to pay us" is pure bollocks. But apart from that, GMO FTW.[/QUOTE] Yeah it bothers me that most of the people I know that are against Monsanto are against them for some Alex Jones conspiracy shit, not for the stuff they actually do

He was probably paid off by the illuminuti and Putin.

[QUOTE=sgman91;46026948]The difference being that there aren't entire European countries and large political parties against vaccines.[/QUOTE] There aren't entire European countries against GMOs. They're strictly regulated, but by no means are the countries against them.

[QUOTE=Dr.C;46026953]Yeah it bothers me that most of the people I know that are against Monsanto are against them for some Alex Jones conspiracy shit, not for the stuff they actually do[/QUOTE] the things monsanto do are crazy enough, we don't need to invent conspiracies.

I don't get why people find GMO's to be any different from selective breeding. Is it because people use "DNA from animals" as some sort of buzzword?

[QUOTE=TheLolrus;46026503]Years of study results never stopped anti-vaccers either[/QUOTE] What about the people who aren't against it, but then have a reaction to it, and it ruins their health? What do you say to them? Imagine having your whole life ahead of you, and then having it snatched away because of one vaccine.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46027346]I'd say the ends justify the means, and sorry that your situation is suddenly shit but that's no reason to doubt the safety for a vaccine that we give to THOUSANDS of people a day without incident. Vaccines, when pursued properly, actually have helped annihilate diseases from the face of the earth (smallpox anyone?), in a world of 7 billion people, a few thousand or even a few hundred thousand cases of "bad side effects" are still completely justifiable if it keeps the rest of the 7 billion safe.[/QUOTE] I didn't say anything about making it not available to everyone because maybe 1 in a few million people have a reaction to it.

My biology teacher was against GMO's because of how we slather our crops with pesticides like it's going out of style.

[QUOTE=TheLolrus;46026503]Years of study results never stopped anti-vaccers either[/QUOTE] Their brains don't work with logic, people with crazy beliefs will most likely keep crazy beliefs for the rest of their lives.

But of course, anti-GMO people will still be using the same old "it's full of toxins!"

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46027395]You asked what I'd say to them, that's exactly what I'd say. I further backed my statement with an argument for the effectiveness of vaccination.[/QUOTE] I see. Sorry for my misunderstanding. I just find it unfortunate that some people have their health diminished by it. But it certainly is a price to pay. I'm sure the average person wouldn't want a loved one to be hurt by a vaccine, but then again, many more people across the world are hurt by the diseases we are trying to prevent or eradicate.

From what I understand of Vaccines, by EVERY motherfucker who can receive the vaccine getting the vaccine, you reach the point of "Herd immunity" meaning those who are too sick or weak to receive the vaccine are still protected from the disease.

[QUOTE=GeeOhDee;46027447]I see. Sorry for my misunderstanding. I just find it unfortunate that some people have their health diminished by it. But it certainly is a price to pay. I'm sure the average person wouldn't want a loved one to be hurt by a vaccine, but then again, many more people across the world are hurt by the diseases we are trying to prevent or eradicate.[/QUOTE] People aren't calling for a ban on grain because of people who are allergic to gluten, and those who are allergic to vaccines have a reasonable excuse not to get them

people who don't like GMO foods tend to not know the difference between GMO-free and organic foods

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;46026604]in order to combat people being dumb about gmo foods i go out of my way to make sure everything i eat has been genetically modified in some way[/QUOTE] Well, that's not exactly hard is it?

I guarantee that this study will accomplish nothing with anti-GMO circles. I'm sure I'll hear about how bullshit and fake the study is from my mom the moment she finds out about it because in her eyes somehow properly done scientific studies are less reliable than conspiracy theorist trash.

[QUOTE=Del91;46026868]I prefer MY corn to be Non GMO personally. [t]http://www.life.illinois.edu/ib/363/image/PrimitiveCorn2.jpeg[/t][/QUOTE] You can enjoy it with pure, non-altered banana: [t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Inside_a_wild-type_banana.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=SgtTupelo;46031308]You can enjoy it with pure, non-altered banana: [t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Inside_a_wild-type_banana.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] Is that really how everything used to look?

[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;46028850]Well, that's not exactly hard is it?[/QUOTE] Sometimes it is actually. Loblaws the vain of groceries in Canada pushes "Organics" really hard. Some times in the day you wont be able find "Non Organics" (Because Iceberg Lettuce can be Inorganic?)

[QUOTE=GlebGuy;46033771]Is that really how everything used to look?[/QUOTE] Majority of bananas you see in supermarkets are Cavendish Bananas, which have been bred so the seeds are small or even non-existent but this leaves them open to diseases that ruin crops and with half of the banana production around the world being this type of banana it is a downside.

GMO is practically the same as selective breeding, but instead you just need one generation and you can get better results.