Scientists confirm that the Paleo diet is nonsense. - Polidicks

[QUOTE]The theory behind the very trendy high-protein/low-carb Paleo diet is that we should mimic the diets of our Paleolithic ancestors, eating mainly meat, fish, and a restricted list of pre-agricultural vegetables and fruit. [I](There is some debate within the Paleo community about which starchy vegetables and how much of them are Paleo-approved, but most recommend limiting them if not barring them entirely.)[/I] But according to a new study in The Quarterly Review of Biology, the low-carb interpretation of the paleolithic menu is probably all wrong. The researchers posit that our cavemen and cavewoman ancestors loved—and needed—carbs as much as we do, even if they gathered them instead of cultivated them. Based on a review of archaeological, genetic and physiological evidence, the researchers found that “plant carbohydrates and meat were bothnecessary and complementary dietary components” in the evolution of humans. Examination of 3-million-year-old teeth and the plant-life in the regions where our ancestors lived also signal that they were eating tubers and other starchy vegetables. Journal: [url]http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/682587[/url] Source: [url]http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/08/15/scientists-confirm-paleo-diet-nonsense[/url][/QUOTE]

That's okay cause I adhere to the Mesozoic diet anyways. Nothing but meat.

Considering we are omnivores to begin with, the idea that we didn't eat almost any grains or vegetables at all is laughable

I still wonder how the fuck people survived before we invented anything. There's not much wild food growing wild and some of it is lethal poison. But I live in the American Northeast, there's probably just not a lot of wild food here to begin with.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48460597]I still wonder how the fuck people survived before we invented anything. There's not much wild food growing wild and some of it is lethal poison. But I live in the American Northeast, there's probably just not a lot of wild food here to begin with.[/QUOTE] Trial and error, Once they found out what was good to eat and what was bad they most likely recorded it somehow. They most likely did invent things as well it would just be very low tech.

[QUOTE=Moustacheman;48460583]That's okay cause I adhere to the Mesozoic diet anyways. Nothing but meat.[/QUOTE] I'm a level 5 Neolithic. I only eat things grown and prepared with stone tools.

For some reason this reminds me that I did the narration for a guy's presentation on the paleo diet. I don't know how to feel about this.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48460597]I still wonder how the fuck people survived before we invented anything. There's not much wild food growing wild and some of it is lethal poison. But I live in the American Northeast, there's probably just not a lot of wild food here to begin with.[/QUOTE] There's plenty of food in the wild, you just need to know what to look for. Hell you can eat poison ivy if you boil off the oils first.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;48460759]There's plenty of food in the wild, you just need to know what to look for. Hell you can eat poison ivy if you boil off the oils first.[/QUOTE] There are still people living in the amazon jungle and on isolated islands untouched by civilization. Its without a doubt possible.

Who needs diet when you got pizza.

My cousin tried to do this diet once, glad he didn't continue with it.

Does that mean other low-carb diets like Atkin's are bullshit too? My mother is on Atkins and it's not really doing much for her.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48460597]I still wonder how the fuck people survived before we invented anything. There's not much wild food growing wild and some of it is lethal poison. But I live in the American Northeast, there's probably just not a lot of wild food here to begin with.[/QUOTE] There's hundreds of "orphaned" plants that people collected instead of cultivated, even up to the 1800s people collected them but people stopped caring about them after farming just got too good in the 1900s There's also a bit of social Darwinism

I've been on a low-carb diet and it's been going pretty well for me.

[QUOTE=Lord Xenoyia;48461012]Does that mean other low-carb diets like Atkin's are bullshit too? My mother is on Atkins and it's not really doing much for her.[/QUOTE] Atkins is a bunch of hogwash.

Low carb diets are fine very short term for fat loss, but people think they can do it for the rest of their lives and end up fucking themselves over.

Paleo is nonsense and will die out in a few years. Though my girlfriend is gluten and dairy free (due to massive intolerances) so she kind of piggy backs on the popularity of paleo to increase food options.

Paleo is just a good go-to way to eat if you want to stay healthy. It's pretty much just boils down to not eating processed food. The paleo diet isn't bullshit, this is just one study saying that carbs aren't all that bad (based on the OP snippets). And they aren't. Especially complex carbs.

How to diet: Eat less calories than you burn (<2000) Exercise a couple hours a day

[QUOTE=Lord Xenoyia;48461012]Does that mean other low-carb diets like Atkin's are bullshit too? My mother is on Atkins and it's not really doing much for her.[/QUOTE] Yes. Most diets like this and Atkins are bullshit honestly, and they get attention because they're marketed and pushed as fads. There's big money in the weight loss/"health" industry. Always has been, always will be. If a normal person (normal as in they're not seriously ill) wants to lose weight and live healthy, all they need to do is eat reasonable portions of food and do physical work; don't eat when you're bored or not really hungry, study your body's signals that tell you when you need to eat and learn to distinguish those signals from boredom signals, etc. That will solve most of your problems right there, whether you're fat and want to lose weight or just want to improve yourself to feel better. As far as the whole "good foods/bad foods" spiel goes, it's also complete bullshit. Unless what you're eating is poisonous somehow or toxic, it's not "bad for you". Even "junk food" isn't bad for you; your body will use it somehow, depending on what its composition is. It's only going to be bad for you if you don't watch your fucking portions and consume it all the time, which any human being with common sense should already know not to do in the first place. Moderation should not be difficult. Beyond that, it's luck of the draw on genetics and general health (metabolism differences, stress and mental pressure differences, etc.). "Eat sensibly and be physical" is a very general answer, but it's true. You don't need snake oil supplements (although some do help do things like block fat absorption from foods), you don't need to follow a specific diet plan that supposedly is all natural and mimics our ancestors' habits, you don't need to "detox", etc. Honestly, it's scary that these notions are so widespread; most are just modern pseudoscience, as weird as bodily humors and magnet therapy.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;48461354]How to diet: Eat less calories than you burn (<2000) Exercise a couple hours a day[/QUOTE] Obviously differs based on body size, gender, and age. I'm 6'6", my maintenance calorie level is about ~2600. I'm on a diet at 1700 calories now, and its an extreme deficit for me. Losing about 2lbs per week. Meanwhile, my girlfriend is 4'9", and her maintenance level is crazy low. For her to lose only one pound per week, she has to eat 900cal per day. That ain't shit.

I use the I eat what the fuck i want but also exercise alot Diet.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48460597]I still wonder how the fuck people survived before we invented anything. There's not much wild food growing wild and some of it is lethal poison. But I live in the American Northeast, there's probably just not a lot of wild food here to begin with.[/QUOTE] humans are excellent endurance runners thanks to being bipedal. People practiced endurance hunting which was basically just chasing an animal over huge distances until it collapses of complete exhaustion and can easily be killed. humans are fucking terrifying.

I love carbs, I probably eat too many a day

[QUOTE=proboardslol;48461354]How to diet: Eat less calories than you burn (<2000) Exercise a couple hours a day[/QUOTE] This makes sense in theory, but there's a lot more to eating and dieting healthy than just counting calories. I could eat 1700 calories in oreos and soda and then go work out for two hours. That's technically a deficit for me, so I'd be losing weight, but is it a healthy diet? No fucking way. There's a difference between dieting and having a healthy diet. Paleo promotes having a healthy diet - it's not necessarily a weight-loss plan. People will continue eating paleo even after they've lost weight because they feel better. If you're eating oreos and drinking Coke, you're not getting loads of other nutrients you need to be healthy, even if you are losing weight. When people say "paleo diet," they're talking about diet as in the types of food you eat, not as in running a calorie deficit to lose weight. There are vegetarians that don't eat on a caloric deficit - they're on a vegetarian diet. But they're not diet[i]ing[/i]. Paleo's the same thing - it's not specifically meant for losing weight any more than vegetarian or vegan diets are.

Title is a bit sensationalist, but yes it is true that the Paleolithic diet of our ancestors was not low-carb. It was still not heavy in grains or legumes, nor dairy. The diet is hardly "debunked," only some Paleo people follow low-carb anyways. I eat like 300g of carbs a day from fruit and potatoes. [media]https://vimeo.com/27570335[/media] No athlete has any business following a low-carb diet, carbs are neccessary for peak performance. It is a very healthy diet and helped me a lot with my IBS. [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3402009/[/url]

[QUOTE=Mattk50;48461501]humans are excellent endurance runners thanks to being bipedal. People practiced endurance hunting which was basically just chasing an animal over huge distances until it collapses of complete exhaustion and can easily be killed.[/QUOTE] I've heard of that, but it seems like it'd be horribly inefficient because you'd use up so much energy trying to get more energy.

[QUOTE=skynrdfan3;48461270]Paleo is just a good go-to way to eat if you want to stay healthy. It's pretty much just boils down to not eating processed food. The paleo diet isn't bullshit, this is just one study saying that carbs aren't all that bad (based on the OP snippets). And they aren't. Especially complex carbs.[/QUOTE] The paleo diet is bullshit as a lot of the logic behind it is not true. But that doesn't stop the end result of a lot of it being true. You're right, we should not be eating processed foods and we should not be eating dairy. The most perfect diet would be one where you don't consume processed foods, processed sugars, dairy, eat less meat, eat a lot more root based foods (veggies etc.), don't eat too many calories and follow recommended daily intakes (just my opinion based on research out there). And yes, a lot of these elements of diet are used in paleo, but it doesn't mean paleo isn't wrong. People who are anorexic also don't consume too many calories, and your diet is definitely not correct if you're anorexic. Paleo is just out there because it has a name for itself and celebrity endorsement. Everyone follows fad diets rather than changing their overall diet to something that's actually correct.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48461596]I've heard of that, but it seems like it'd be horribly inefficient because you'd use up so much energy trying to get more energy.[/QUOTE] The energy expended by jogging a few miles is almost nothing compared to the energy you gain in the form of something like an entire gazelle. Those things are good eating, especially if you're not picky about which parts you eat.

[QUOTE=Badballer;48461720]The paleo diet is bullshit as a lot of the logic behind it is not true. But that doesn't stop the end result of a lot of it being true. You're right, we should not be eating processed foods and we should not be eating dairy. The most perfect diet would be one where you don't consume processed foods, processed sugars, dairy, eat less meat, eat a lot more root based foods (veggies etc.), don't eat too many calories and follow recommended daily intakes (just my opinion based on research out there). And yes, a lot of these elements of diet are used in paleo, but it doesn't mean paleo isn't wrong. People who are anorexic also don't consume too many calories, and your diet is definitely not correct if you're anorexic. Paleo is just out there because it has a name for itself and celebrity endorsement. Everyone follows fad diets rather than changing their overall diet to something that's actually correct.[/QUOTE] Spot on (besides eating less meat). I like Paleo as a template but will eat corn, rice, and occasionally cheese. There is definitely nothing wrong with a diet filled with fruits, vegetables, and tubers. I eat a lot of carbs, just not from sugar or refined grains. The most important thing is avoiding processed, nutrient-devoid food filled with sugar and omega-6 fats Eating refined carbs makes my acid reflux and IBS flare up real quick.