I thought about this some years ago, I don't know why but I somehow concluded that everyone actually do see the same color, since our eyes are mostly constructed the same way.
[QUOTE=G-Strogg;39630183]I thought about this some years ago, I don't know why but I somehow concluded that everyone actually do see the same color, since our eyes are mostly constructed the same way.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but colors are handled by the brain, not the eyes.
My God, I thought I was the only one who ever thought about this.
Well, not the ONLY one but one of a very small few...
I hope we find the answer to this in my lifetime. It's bugged me since I was a kid.
This was always a good highdea discussion.
Let's say scientists eventually completely reverse-engineer the brain. Couldn't they see how stimuli like chocolate or colors stimulate one individuals brain, then stimulate the same centers responsible for perception in the same way in someone elses?
Obviously way out there but that makes sense, right?
Why does Vsauce always use the same music?
[QUOTE=Coffee;39630542]Why does Vsauce always use the same music?[/QUOTE]
Because it's great.
I have been baffled by this for God knows how long. Always tried to have discussions with people about it but they always said I had too much time on my hands.
I remember learning about qualia in a psychology course I took at my uni last year, and I found the topics surrounding them to be absolutely fascinating. To think that something so basic as seeing color is effectively different for everyone is quite incredible in my eyes. That, combined with the fact that scientists haven't yet found a way to fully explain the intricacies of qualia, just blows my mind.
I had always thought that we all experienced the same colors. It wouldn't make sense otherwise.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;39631884]I had always thought that we all experienced the same colors. It wouldn't make sense otherwise.[/QUOTE]
Why not?
[QUOTE=Talishmar;39633350]Why not?[/QUOTE]
A better question is why? There is no reason for us to see different colors. It's near impossible to tell what other people actually see so it's hard to prove either way, but unless you're colorblind in any way, shape or form, there's no reason for each individual to perceive colors differently, at least in the "your red is my green" example Vsauce used.
I love this guys videos. I've been watching them for months
Think about it - how likely is it that our brains have interpreted the same wavelength of light to look exactly the same? Doesn't seem likely to me, based on the strange nature of the brain (think about dreams and how weird they are)
[QUOTE=Protocol7;39633390]A better question is why? There is no reason for us to see different colors. [b]It's near impossible to tell what other people actually see so it's hard to prove either way[/b], but unless you're colorblind in any way, shape or form, there's no reason for each individual to perceive colors differently, at least in the "your red is my green" example Vsauce used.[/QUOTE]
Did you actually watch the video? That's basically a direct quote, and if you had watched the video then you'd know it's not so much about suggesting we [b]do[/b] see colours differently, just that some day we may be able to test for it.
[QUOTE=Trumple;39633415]Think about it - how likely is it that our brains have interpreted the same wavelength of light to look exactly the same? Doesn't seem likely to me, based on the strange nature of the brain (think about dreams and how weird they are)[/QUOTE]
Exactly the same? No. But I find it to be highly unlikely that someone perceives red to be someone else's green under normal circumstances.
Maybe yellow is a little greenish for people or more reddish for other people, but I can't reasonably accept anything else as possible.
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[QUOTE=Eyeball95;39633454]Did you actually watch the video? You're basically stating things directly from it[/QUOTE]
I did. Is restating things a bad thing suddenly?
[QUOTE=Protocol7;39633463]Exactly the same? No. But I find it to be highly unlikely that someone perceives red to be someone else's green under normal circumstances.
Maybe yellow is a little greenish for people or more reddish for other people, but I can't reasonably accept anything else as possible.
[/QUOTE]
all light is is EM waves, your retina absorbs them and relays stimulus back to your brain with varying intensity depending on the energy/wavelength of the light, what makes you think everyone's brains will interpret that anywhere near the same? I could see colours you can't even imagine
Why would it make sense that people would see different colors aside from colorblindness?
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I mean, okay, I get that each person is different in their own way, but that idea of randomness doesn't ring as a reason to see completely different colors to me. It's still a mystery, but, yeah.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;39633463]Exactly the same? No. But I find it to be highly unlikely that someone perceives red to be someone else's green under normal circumstances.
Maybe yellow is a little greenish for people or more reddish for other people, but I can't reasonably accept anything else as possible.
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I did. Is restating things a bad thing suddenly?[/QUOTE]
I think your taking the thumbnail a little too seriously
[QUOTE=Bathtub;39633911]I think your taking the thumbnail a little too seriously[/QUOTE]
I don't think [I]you[/I] watched the video either, because of course it's not about how we can potentially see colors differently, it's about how it's damn near impossible to know what other people are seeing, or tasting, or feeling. And this is why these discussions are formed, because people have opinions.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;39633974]I don't think [I]you[/I] watched the video either, because of course it's not about how we can potentially see colors differently, it's about how it's damn near impossible to know what other people are seeing, or tasting, or feeling. And this is why these discussions are formed, because people have opinions.[/QUOTE]
That's what the video said, it's damn near impossible to tell but its likely that we don't see colors differently.
Discussions aren't just opinions, they need to be backed up by facts.
[QUOTE=Bathtub;39633984]That's what the video said, it's damn near impossible to tell but its likely that we don't see colors differently.
Discussions aren't just opinions, they need to be backed up by facts.[/QUOTE]
And that's the thing, there are no facts in this discussion other than people perceive color, and some people perceive color differently.
*WARNING, Shitty English ahead*
If you're really interested in colors, do yourself a favor and [URL="http://www.radiolab.org/2012/may/21/"]listen to this Radiolab podcast about colors[/URL]
In one of the segments they talk about a group of monkeys that were born without red cones and therefore can't see red, and a guy called Jay Neitz found a way to inject the human gene for red cones into the monkey's eyes.
So in theory, we can take genes from animals that can see a wider spectrum and widen ours.
[QUOTE=Awesom-o;39635482]*WARNING, Shitty English ahead*
If you're really interested in colors, do yourself a favor and [URL="http://www.radiolab.org/2012/may/21/"]listen to this Radiolab podcast about colors[/URL]
In one of the segments they talk about a group of monkeys that were born without red cones and therefore can't see red, and a guy called Jay Neitz found a way to inject the human gene for red cones into the monkey's eyes.
So in theory, we can take genes from animals that can see a wider spectrum and widen ours.[/QUOTE]
I want to see like a BEE
Looks like Michael lost some weight! :D
[QUOTE=wallyroberto_2;39635666]I want to see like a BEE[/QUOTE]
The difference between humans and bees is not that big:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/VCmv6DS.jpg[/IMG]
In the podcast I just posted they talk about this fucker:
[IMG]http://media.wnyc.org/media/photologue/photos/mantis_shrimp.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/TGRLUME.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://panstudio.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Mantis-shrimp-vision.jpg[/IMG]
Fun fact: red is actually everyone's favorite color. If someone says their favorite color isn't red, that's just because their colors are shifted.
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