NCA warns parents that kid coders could be cyber criminals
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[QUOTE]Even as the UK government pushes 'coding' into the national curriculum, the National Crime Agency is warning parents to be on the lookout for cyber crime warning signs including an interest in programming and an erratic sleep schedule.
Despite initiatives like the Year of Code, funding for cyber security education, and the official placement of coding - the hip new name for what was previously called programming - into the national curriculum, there are those in government and its associated security services who clearly still mistrust technology and those who use it.
This has been made clear by the publication of an advice document by the National Crime Agency, formerly known as the Serious and Organised Crime Agency, which gives parents, carers, and teachers a check-list of warning signs that a youth may be heading into a life of cyber crime.
The document offers a number of 'warning signs of cyber crime' which 'may indicate a young person is at risk of getting involved in cyber crime.' The list in full:
Is your child spending all of their time online?
Are they interested in coding? Do they have independent learning material on computing?
Do they have irregular sleeping patterns?
Do they get an income from their online activities, do you know why and how?
Are they resistant when asked what they do online?
Do they use the full data allowance on the home broadband?
Have they become more socially isolated?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.bit-tech.net/news/bits/2015/12/09/nca-cyber-crime-warning/1[/url]
[quote]and the official placement of coding - the hip new name for what was previously called programming - into the national curriculum[/quote]
no no NO. 'Coding' is as dumb as 'Scripting'. It's computer programming. You're a programmer who develops programs.
[QUOTE=Asgard;49280236]no no NO. 'Coding' is as dumb as 'Scripting'. It's computer programming. You're a programmer who develops programs.[/QUOTE]
it's a lot easier to say "coder" than "programmer"
like how it's easier to say "apps" instead of "applications" or "programs"
hell, even i use it sometimes. if "writer" means someone that writes, why can't "coder" mean someone that writes code?
[QUOTE=Octopod;49280284]it's a lot easier to say "coder" than "programmer"
like how it's easier to say "apps" instead of "applications" or "programs"
hell, even i use it sometimes. if "writer" means someone that writes, why can't "coder" mean someone that writes code?[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't that be an 'apper' according to your logic?
[editline]9th December 2015[/editline]
A 'texter' would be somebody that writes text.
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Is your child spending all of their time online?
Are they interested in coding? Do they have independent learning material on computing?
Do they have irregular sleeping patterns?
Do they get an income from their online activities, do you know why and how?
Are they resistant when asked what they do online?
Do they use the full data allowance on the home broadband?
Have they become more socially isolated?[/QUOTE]
These signs are so fucking loose it's not even funny. For what it's worth you could be branded a "cyber criminal" for making prototype games through the likes of the free GameMaker demo.
Shit, they caught me
[QUOTE=Asgard;49280297]Wouldn't that be an 'apper' according to your logic?
[editline]9th December 2015[/editline]
A 'texter' would be somebody that writes text.[/QUOTE]
well, whatever. i'm just saying it's a term that a lot of people use. when I see or say "coder", I'm assuming that's in place of " computer programmer". i was just trying to explain why it's "coder" for some stupid reason
also i'm sure "texter" is already a thing, if you mean phone SMS.
What next, every kid interested in chemistry is a potential bomb maker, every kid interested in the military, a potential gunman, every kid interested in biology a potential anthrax manufacturer
Next they're going to warn parents about chemestry. Is your son a terrorist? Find out now!
[quote]
Is your child spending all of their time online?
Are they interested in coding? Do they have independent learning material on computing?
Do they have irregular sleeping patterns?
Do they get an income from their online activities, do you know why and how?
Are they resistant when asked what they do online?
Do they use the full data allowance on the home broadband?
Have they become more socially isolated?
[/quote]
The only thing here which is even vaguely reasonable is the making money thing - which still can be explained in multiple ways
i thought this was parody at first
Yeah great, thanks NCA, as if it wasn't difficult enough yet to motivate students to get into Computer Science, now you have to brand those interested in it as criminals too.
[QUOTE=Sableye;49280328]What next, every kid interested in chemistry is a potential bomb maker, every kid interested in the military, a potential gunman, every kid interested in biology a potential anthrax manufacturer[/QUOTE]
The first is already kinda true
If you run a chemistry lab at home, you're under intense scrutiny as a potential bomb maker or a drug maker.
[url]http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html[/url]
Holy fuck, let's hinder progress and perfectly good hobbies! Yay Jesus and Freedom!
[QUOTE=NiandraLades;49280333]The only thing here which is even vaguely reasonable is the making money thing - which still can be explained in multiple ways[/QUOTE]
You could count getting random drops in Dota 2 or CS:GO as making an "income". Its fucking dumb.
NCA is retarded
[quote="the list"]Have they become more socially isolated?[/quote]
Go fuck yourself, NCA. Are you going to make it so that if you're an introvert, you get locked up in prison?
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With how stupid most are today I honestly would not blame someone for just saying "I want no part of that retarded shit".
[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;49280309][video=youtube;DjYrxzSe3DU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjYrxzSe3DU[/video]
fuck sake
[editline]9th December 2015[/editline]
fuck this shit country, I want out ASAP[/QUOTE]
if only WithdrawingMoney.com was real lmao
:snip: because automerge
That outta teach kids for being Computer Literate!
Obligatory stock image of "hackerz."
[IMG]http://thumb9.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/950590/175827542/stock-photo-little-child-hacker-typing-on-the-laptop-computer-isolated-on-white-175827542.jpg[/IMG]
The fucking country is computer illiterate enough as it is. Now they put this shit out to un-informed parents who don't know any better. Which will discourage people even more into actually learning to code.
Fucking morons.
I'm going to jump in here and defend the NCA, based on the link the article includes:
[url]http://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/crime-threats/cyber-crime/cyber-crime-preventing-young-people-from-getting-involved[/url]
-They list the behaviors as "warning signs", and recommend that the parent just have a talk with the kid, at least so they can figure out where private income is coming from.
-They list a number of resources for teens to build their cyber security skills without doing anything malicious(though they could include a few more)
-They very explicitly say what the "bad" terms are:
[QUOTE]-Hacking – this involves gaining access into someone’s computer network without their permission, and then taking control and/or taking information from other people’s computers. Examples may include accessing the secure area on the school’s computer network and looking for test paper answers or trying to change test scores.
-Making, supplying or obtaining malware (malicious software), viruses, spyware, botnets and Remote Access Trojans is illegal. These programmes allow criminals to get into other people’s computers to carry out illegal activities. ‘Pranking’, by remotely accessing a friends computer when they don't know you are doing it and messing around is still illegal.
-Carrying out a DDoS (Distributed Denial of Service) attack or 'booting' A DDoS is when a website is attacked by sending it lots of internet traffic. This means anyone who wants to visit that site won’t be able to access it. Booting someone offline whilst playing online games may seem like a harmless joke, but is still illegal.[/QUOTE]
-This:
[QUOTE]Many of these are just normal teenage behaviours and don't necessarily suggest a young person is at risk of getting involved in cyber crime. But if a young person is showing several of these signs, try and have a conversation with them about their online activities. This will allow you to assess their computer knowledge proficiency so you can understand what they are doing, explain the consequences of cyber crime and help them make the right choices.[/QUOTE]
The only real problem with this is that overzealous parents may ban electronics from the children without taking the time to read through the article, or after watching a video. But even with their first ad, they'll only recognize the two signs that are extremely indicative of malicious use: their kid saying they "DDOS"ed a server, and having money in the bank.
[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;49280434][url]http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html[/url]
Holy fuck, let's hinder progress and perfectly good hobbies! Yay Jesus and Freedom![/QUOTE]
It's funny how this was an obvious joke 15 years ago but if it was posted now you would never be able to tell.
[quote]Is your child spending all of their time online?
Are they interested in coding? Do they have independent learning material on computing?
Do they have irregular sleeping patterns?
Do they get an income from their online activities, do you know why and how?
Are they resistant when asked what they do online?
Do they use the full data allowance on the home broadband?
Have they become more socially isolated?[/quote]
that's me
So what about a son that spends all his time working almost obsessively with computer hardware?
Does that make him a Super Hacker?
[QUOTE=Asgard;49280236]no no NO. 'Coding' is as dumb as 'Scripting'. It's computer programming. You're a programmer who develops programs.[/QUOTE]
I've seen the term 'coder' used to refer to computer programmers in documents written before most Facepunchers' [i]parents[/i] were born. It originally comes from manual data entry systems including punch card programming. Why does the use of an established term offend you?
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