Dutch youth under 25 will have to work until they're 71.5 - Polidicks

[quote][I]Google Translate+modifications[/I] The retirement age will not stay 67, but go up sharply in the coming years. Pensions, however, will go down significantly. According to a letter from Secretary Weekers to the House. According to the letter, people who are 25 years of age, will have to work until they are 71.5 years old. At the same time the level of pensions will be significantly affected by new measures. Those will retire on their 71th, must take into account a significant drop in income. According pension expert Rajish Sagoeni, former president of the Royal Society of Actuaries, keeping retirees in this case possible only 50% of their last earned salary. According to the expert's pension Secretary Weekers of overly optimistic scenarios in its calculation. "Weekers gives the case far too optimistic again." The government wants to link the state pension age to life expectancy. Weekers will now assume that people who are 25 years of age, receive AOW [pension] when they are 71.5 years. The retirement age is now linked to that age. This is more likely to make stopping with working practically impossible. But whoever does stop at 68 years, will receive a very low pension. [/quote] [url=http://www.eenvandaag.nl/politiek/46109/pensioenen_rekening_naar_de_jongeren]Dutch Source[/url] Well fuck. Can all old people die so we have a drop in life expectancy? It's all about statistics anyway, apparently. Well fuck.

[QUOTE]But who stops for example 68 years, or will receive a very low pension. [/QUOTE] I'm sure this is going to create a powerful socialist movement in the Netherlands.

why 71.5? I feel like that'll be really annoying having to wait those last 6 months.

Many people won't even live long enough to see those pensions.

That doesn't really sound sustainable?

Considering the state of their healthcare system, I don't see 71.5 being that unrealistic. Considering the advancements in health science we'll have in the 50+ years until they reach that age, they'll most likely still have 20 to 30 years of retirement. I'd work to 71.5 for free healthcare and education. I'll probably work to that age just to pay off my healthcare and education costs anyways.

71.5...if you are a smoker there is a good chance you will be dead by then. i think my life expectancy has dropped to ~68 years from smoking.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40944634]71.5...if you are a smoker there is a good chance you will be dead by then. i think my life expectancy has dropped to ~68 years from smoking.[/QUOTE] Well...stop.

Half the people I see that are 70 years old anymore are borderline senile or mostly immobile. What a sham and a shame that we can't provide enough to give everyone at least 10 years of proper fucking freedom to do what they want and just enjoy life without the burden of labor and this and that above them.

[QUOTE=Banned?;40944658]Well...stop.[/QUOTE] Smoking won't really kill you as long as its in moderation. If you smoke a pack a day of cigarettes, yeah, you'll get some problems. If you smoke a cigar once a month for special occasions, or visit a hookah bar with some friends now and then, no big deal, you're probably inhaling equally as much unhealthy pollution in a month if you live near a city. Daily use/dependency is a killer, not so much casual smoking. Alcoholism kills people, a beer with a football game doesn't.

[QUOTE=Banned?;40944658]Well...stop.[/QUOTE] yea because it's so easy to just completely drop an addiction. i'v "just stopped" at least 5 times.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40944760]yea because it's so easy to just completely drop an addiction. i'v "just stopped" at least 5 times.[/QUOTE] I've always heard it's best to replace one addiction with a healthier one. People told me to quit smoking and start excercising, because endorphins are addicting. Instead I quit for codeine - my lungs will thank me! Once I get epilepsy I'll probably switch to alcohol, and once that fucks up my liver I'll move on to crack until my teeth rot, then maybe heroin. It's great advice! /s

[QUOTE=.Isak.;40944829]I've always heard it's best to replace one addiction with a healthier one. People told me to quit smoking and start excercising, because endorphins are addicting. Instead I quit for codeine - my lungs will thank me! Once I get epilepsy I'll probably switch to alcohol, and once that fucks up my liver I'll move on to crack until my teeth rot, then maybe heroin. It's great advice! /s[/QUOTE] i tried that now i'm addicted to cocaine AND heroin! :(

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40944760]yea because it's so easy to just completely drop an addiction. i'v "just stopped" at least 5 times.[/QUOTE] Switch to smokeless tobacco, it's much less damaging than cigarettes.

[QUOTE=Mac2468;40944868]Switch to smokeless tobacco, it's much less damaging than cigarettes.[/QUOTE] i actually weened myself of nicotine with white portion snus at one point. thinking about trying it again, but i fucking crave the feeling of tar and smoke in my lungs, as fucked up as that sounds. there's nothing like smoking a cigarette after eating...and drinking...and sleeping...and sex...and a movie...and shit, a cigarette goes great before all those activities too. fuck smoking.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;40944829]I've always heard it's best to replace one addiction with a healthier one. People told me to quit smoking and start excercising, because endorphins are addicting. Instead I quit for codeine - my lungs will thank me! Once I get epilepsy I'll probably switch to alcohol, and once that fucks up my liver I'll move on to crack until my teeth rot, then maybe heroin. It's great advice! /s[/QUOTE] Just running or jogging can relieve a lot of stress, as well as punching a speedbag/heavy bag, even if you don't do any martial arts.

[QUOTE=borisvdb;40945116]Just running or jogging can relieve a lot of stress, as well as punching a speedbag/heavy bag, even if you don't do any martial arts.[/QUOTE] T'was only a joke, I smoked for a few weeks and managed to quit. I've got a habitual personality but I'm strangely resilient to addiction, whether physical or mental. Able to limit my weed consumption and hookah smoking to pretty healthy levels, and I limit adderall use to desperate moments. I've never felt the need to take an addy or smoke a square, even when I had an adderall binge for a week or two, so I guess I'm just lucky in that regard

Many people at that age will have trouble finding/maintaining actual jobs with all those people from Poland taking all the jobs, working for much cheaper. The Netherlands is becoming a fucking joke with the current idiots running the show.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40944634]71.5...if you are a smoker there is a good chance you will be dead by then. i think my life expectancy has dropped to ~68 years from smoking.[/QUOTE] Well really that's a non issue, stop smoking and live longer.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;40945176]T'was only a joke, I smoked for a few weeks and managed to quit. I've got a habitual personality but I'm strangely resilient to addiction, whether physical or mental. Able to limit my weed consumption and hookah smoking to pretty healthy levels, and I limit adderall use to desperate moments. I've never felt the need to take an addy or smoke a square, even when I had an adderall binge for a week or two, so I guess I'm just lucky in that regard[/QUOTE] Me too actually. I have dabbled into some hard drugs at concerts and managed to not make it into a habit. I think addiction mainly affects people who like to party a lot though.

[QUOTE=borisvdb;40945294]Me too actually. I have dabbled into some hard drugs at concerts and managed to not make it into a habit. I think addiction mainly affects people who like to party a lot though.[/QUOTE] addiction mainly affects people who hate their bullshit lives and want to forget about it.

It's something fascinating to think about. Imagine what the world will be like in 50 years... Will retiring at 70 still feel like you're retiring late in your life? Maybe we'll have an extra 30 years of life, if we find enough new medicine. It's all speculation, and that's what makes it so interesting.

Haha I'm 25. Everyone younger can go suck it. But let's be serious, we grow older and we stay healthier, so it's only natural.

There's the expression "30 is the new 20." As we age longer and fend off health issues until later in life, I think that'll keep moving. People retiring at 50 isn't all that common anymore. Instead, 60 is. It's all moving upwards as we gain longevity.

These laws will no doubt change before anyone under 25 reaches that age. They'll probably change for the worse, but still.

A crisis like this is a really bad time for the privatized pension funds. They have little money and a grey wave of old people coming in without the money to pay for them. Tough the idea has been raised here to have everyone build up their own private but mandatory pension funds from now on. I really like this idea. It would give us more control about what we want, and not have other company's play around with our money and potentially screwing it up. like some funds have done.

[QUOTE=Nikita;40944463]Many people won't even live long enough to see those pensions.[/QUOTE]That's the idea, I suspect.

I'm 21. Fuck.

By the time they're seventy, won't it have raised even further to account for the youth of 2050/2060?

Well don't feel too sad about it, I'm expecting that I won't be able to retire until 75 anyway. Currently it's 68 years old for many people here but there's plenty of time between now and the year 2060 for them to fix it to a much higher age. Most people I work with are also young and don't have much in the way of savings/pension so it's going to probably just be pure luck of the lottery if we make it to retirement age whilst still being somewhat healthy.