• Refugees sue Pa. district, school not good enough
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[IMG]http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/us/2016/08/18/refugees-sue-pa-district-charge-school-not-good-enough/_jcr_content/par/featured-media/media-0.img.jpg/876/493/1471551812033.jpg?ve=1&tl=1[/IMG] [QUOTE]A group of refugees is suing a Central Pennsylvania school district, saying the academy they were put in after their arduous journey to America is not up to snuff. Represented by the Pennsylvania branch of the American Civil Liberties Union, the six refugees sued Lancaster schools in federal court, saying they were dumped in a disciplinary school and are being denied access to a quality education. The students range in age from 17 to 21, and hail from Somalia, Sudan, Democratic Republic of Congo and Burma.[/QUOTE] [Source: [URL="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/08/18/refugees-sue-pa-district-charge-school-not-good-enough.html/"]Source[/URL]]
Before someone says "why don't they be grateful they're getting education at all", take note that they were actually sent to an actual shitty school: [quote]The refugees hoped to enter McCaskey High School, known for its superior academic program, but instead were sent to Phoenix Academy, an alternative high school for “underachieving” students in the district. [B]Phoenix students are subject to pat-downs, banned from bringing personal belongings like watches and jewelry and forced to wear colored shirts that “correspond with behavior.”[/B] U.S. News and World Report's 2016 rankings show [B]Phoenix Academy has a graduation rate of 54 percent, and its 458 students perform substantially below the state average on standardized tests[/B]. More than 90 percent of the students come from poor families, and there are just 11 full-time teachers at the school, according to the magazine.[/quote]
[quote]Issa, who lived in a refugee camp from the age of 5 to 17, also said that she found the search procedure invasive while attending the school[/quote] jesus christ can you imagine living 12 years of your life in a refugee camp
the comments on it are exactly what i expect from fox news. the education system in general just sucks
I don't get it, did they purposefully get restricted from entering a school they qualified at just for being a refugee and are suing for that or did they get sent to a shitty school because they didn't qualify and are suing the school for being shit? Or are there no grade/qualification entry requirements in the US? Because then that's bullshit they got rejected just for being refugees.
[QUOTE=KillerLUA;50914226]I don't get it, did they purposefully get restricted from entering a school they qualified at just for being a refugee and are suing for that or did they get sent to a shitty school because they didn't qualify and are suing the school for being shit? Or are there no grade/qualification entry requirements in the US? Because then that's bullshit they got rejected just for being refugees.[/QUOTE] read [quote]Officials for the school district say the six students were sent to Phoenix for a special program geared towards their needs.[/quote] [quote]At Phoenix, the students receive various services including remedial services, English classes for Second Language Learners, after school programs, job and computer skills as well as mentoring services, Rau added.[/quote]
At least they are getting accustomed to American culture, lawsuits!
[QUOTE=Perrine;50914240]read[/QUOTE] I guess if you weren't born in the US you get sent to a 2nd tier school.
Yeah, this is bullshit. Remedial schools like this are used mostly for literal criminals and people who disrupt class by assaulting people. And people who got caught with drugs. They're borderline juvenile prisons where they fastlane you through a shit education to get you to graduate so they can boot you out of the schooling system. I know multiple people who got pushed to the "south campus" of my high school and all of them complained that it was disgustingly easy - and none of them were particularly smart, high-achieving people. It wasn't unheard of for high school seniors to be coloring in maps with crayons. Based on the article's text, her English seems fine, but it's obviously impossible to know. It looks like the school officials saw that she's a 17-year-old from a foreign country trying to enroll as a freshman and assumed she needed remedial classes - there's no mention of giving her basic English language testing to see if she needed to be in remedial classes at all.
[QUOTE=Perrine;50914240]read[/QUOTE] [quote]At Phoenix, the students receive various services including remedial services, English classes for Second Language Learners, after school programs, job and computer skills as well as mentoring services, Rau added.[/quote] So you mean all the same programs that any high school is going to have?
Imagine your schools being so shitty even refugees from Africa have to complain about them.
Thats a really shit school wtf america
[QUOTE=Maegord;50914350]So you mean all the same programs that any high school is going to have?[/QUOTE] Yeah except in the kind of abusive environment that they normally shuffle poor inner city kids with attitude problems off to and then forget about them
[QUOTE=.Isak.;50914328]Yeah, this is bullshit. Remedial schools like this are used mostly for literal criminals and people who disrupt class by assaulting people. And people who got caught with drugs. They're borderline juvenile prisons where they fastlane you through a shit education to get you to graduate so they can boot you out of the schooling system. I know multiple people who got pushed to the "south campus" of my high school and all of them complained that it was disgustingly easy - and none of them were particularly smart, high-achieving people. It wasn't unheard of for high school seniors to be coloring in maps with crayons. Based on the article's text, her English seems fine, but it's obviously impossible to know. It looks like the school officials saw that she's a 17-year-old from a foreign country trying to enroll as a freshman and assumed she needed remedial classes - there's no mention of giving her basic English language testing to see if she needed to be in remedial classes at all.[/QUOTE] It's pretty sad. People always complain about the lack of integration amongst refugees (a valid concern) but if they are getting put into schools like this, no wonder they didn't integrate.
[QUOTE=Maegord;50914350]So you mean all the same programs that any high school is going to have?[/QUOTE] Are you really defending sending refugee kids to a school which sounds like it was meant to be primarily for criminals for no reason but their background? [editline]19th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Smooth Jazz;50914442]It's pretty sad. People always complain about the lack of integration amongst refugees (a valid concern) but if they are getting put into schools like this, no wonder they didn't integrate.[/QUOTE] Refugees generally are the only form of immigrant (there are some exceptions to this, though, like Jewish refugees) who are a drain and not a gain to the country in economic terms. Stuff like this which purposefully handicaps the education of refugees doesn't help the already bad situation.
[QUOTE=Jelman;50914409]Thats a really shit school wtf america[/QUOTE] Our education is shit. These schools are barely schools - they're for juveniles who have arrest records and are on probation. They're like a crossover between a juvenile prison and a middle school - except for teenagers. I had a close friend get shoved into a remedial school after he was arrested for weed possession when he was 16. He graduated in a year, when it would've taken him two years if he remained in the normal high school, because they try to shove people out the doors as quickly as possible. He never had to read a book for his English class. He got his Algebra credits in two hours doing a test on basic math. And this was a C student in regular high school. And we all know the best way to prevent young teenagers from turning to a life of crime is to give them the worst education possible and funnel them along the school-to-prison pipeline. These refugees were basically shoved into a juvenile prison with education fit for 12-year-olds because they were 3 years older than the normal high school freshman and didn't speak perfect English.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;50914467]Our education is shit. These schools are barely schools - they're for juveniles who have arrest records and are on probation. They're like a crossover between a juvenile prison and a middle school - except for teenagers. I had a close friend get shoved into a remedial school after he was arrested for weed possession when he was 16. He graduated in a year, when it would've taken him two years if he remained in the normal high school, because they try to shove people out the doors as quickly as possible. He never had to read a book for his English class. He got his Algebra credits in two hours doing a test on basic math. And this was a C student in regular high school. And we all know the best way to prevent young teenagers from turning to a life of crime is to give them the worst education possible and funnel them along the school-to-prison pipeline. These refugees were basically shoved into a juvenile prison with education fit for 12-year-olds because they were 3 years older than the normal high school freshman and didn't speak perfect English.[/QUOTE] remedial schools are honestly just a churning strategy for the administrators to cash in by doing minimal work while ensuring they get a constant supply of students to "fix" one of my friends got sent to a remedial school for arguing against his teacher because he felt like she was being discriminatory. he would have been a good kid, but the friends he made there really gave him a bleaker outlook on society; it also enforced him feeling like he'd been backstabbed. last i heard he was working fast food and slinging small-time crystal for a living.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50914445]Are you really defending sending refugee kids to a school which sounds like it was meant to be primarily for criminals for no reason but their background?[/QUOTE] I think he meant that they could've been sent to a normal high school and gotten the same programs.
[QUOTE=aznz888;50914531]remedial schools are honestly just a churning strategy for the administrators to cash in by doing minimal work while ensuring they get a constant supply of students to "fix" one of my friends got sent to a remedial school for arguing against his teacher because he felt like she was being discriminatory. he would have been a good kid, but the friends he made there really gave him a bleaker outlook on society; it also enforced him feeling like he'd been backstabbed. last i heard he was working fast food and slinging small-time crystal for a living.[/QUOTE] Its actually more like gerrymandering, in a convoluted way. The remedial schools exist so the higher priority schools in the district can kick out anybody who damages their statistics and preserve perfect demographics and scores while the kids who don't fit the criteria suffer for it. I know someone who was going through high school with a 3.2-3.5 GPA who got sent to a remedial school his senior year for being seventeen, due to turn eighteen the month before graduation. The reason given for his transfer was that the school he was attending did not award diplomas to students who were adults, as adults did not go graduate from that school. As a result of that, he was not accepted into State and attended community college before becoming disenfranchised due to the arbitrary restrictions placed on his life and moving out into the workforce. This was despite him receiving eleven of his twelve years of education at what are among the best schools in the district and participating in extra-curricular activities nearly every year.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50914201]Before someone says "why don't they be grateful they're getting education at all", take note that they were actually sent to an actual shitty school:[/QUOTE] Oooh they were sent to one of those gang infested schools. Yeah I can see being unhappy with that. I can also see why they were sent there, it's where we dump problems we don't care about. We're a great country :eng101s: [editline]19th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50914298]I guess if you weren't born in the US you get sent to a 2nd tier school.[/QUOTE] That or you were born in a poor and crime-ridden neighborhood. I don't think it's actually on purpose, something about schools being funded by property taxes, but property taxes being a terrible source in income in places with zero property value. [editline]19th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Maegord;50914350]So you mean all the same programs that any high school is going to have?[/QUOTE] Uh, "English classes for Second Language Learners" is not a common class. Maybe around the border regions where there's a lot of Spanish-only speakers. But not in Pennsylvania where the closest thing we've had to a second language was German before the world wars.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;50915072]Oooh they were sent to one of those gang infested schools. Yeah I can see being unhappy with that. I can also see why they were sent there, it's where we dump problems we don't care about. We're a great country :eng101s: [editline]19th August 2016[/editline] That or you were born in a poor and crime-ridden neighborhood. I don't think it's actually on purpose, something about schools being funded by property taxes, but property taxes being a terrible source in income in places with zero property value. [editline]19th August 2016[/editline] Uh, "English classes for Second Language Learners" is not a common class. Maybe around the border regions where there's a lot of Spanish-only speakers. But not in Pennsylvania where the closest thing we've had to a second language was German before the world wars.[/QUOTE] I live in North Carolina, I'm 25, I remember ESL students even back in elementary school, and for native English speakers there were Spanish classes at least since middle school. And I went to middle of the road schools. Not exceptionally poor but not nice. So it's normal in a lot of the country. There was also one of these schools. There is one or more in every town. Ours was called warlick and it was basically a juvenile detention center. The comparisons made to that here are not at all an exaggeration, nor do they even touch how bad it can really be. There is no reason for places like that to exist in a country where people actually want to improve the condition of the common man.
I've got to be honest, we have some not so great schools here but what's being described sounds like a literal prison. Guess they're getting the kids used to where they'll be spending a lot of their adult lives statistically speaking.
Shithole schools like this deserve to be burned to the ground. Being a refugee doesn't mean you should be denied a decebt education.
You have to wear a shirt that identifies your behavior? What the hell are they running? A school or a prison? What kind of shitty discplinary school is that. Most of the ones here try to actually take it down a notch since students react badly to overbearing authority
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;50915072]Oooh they were sent to one of those gang infested schools. Yeah I can see being unhappy with that. I can also see why they were sent there, it's where we dump problems we don't care about. We're a great country :eng101s: [editline]19th August 2016[/editline] That or you were born in a poor and crime-ridden neighborhood. I don't think it's actually on purpose, something about schools being funded by property taxes, but property taxes being a terrible source in income in places with zero property value. [editline]19th August 2016[/editline] Uh, "English classes for Second Language Learners" is not a common class. Maybe around the border regions where there's a lot of Spanish-only speakers. But not in Pennsylvania where the closest thing we've had to a second language was German before the world wars.[/QUOTE] We had it at ours in Missouri. Maybe not every highschool offers it, but seeing as how the United States has 41 million people who speak Spanish as their primary language, it's more common than you might think. [editline]21st August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Saxon;50923759]You have to wear a shirt that identifies your behavior? What the hell are they running? A school or a prison? What kind of shitty discplinary school is that. Most of the ones here try to actually take it down a notch since students react badly to overbearing authority[/QUOTE] Yeah, that's incredibly dehumanizing, and creates a self-fulling prophecy. If you take a child, put him in a red shirt, and tell all of his peers that "kids wearing red shirts are troublemakers," that's going set him up for failure. It's going to hurt his confidence, make his peers more distrustful of him, make teachers react to him as if he's a "bad kid" without even knowing him, etc. That's fucked.
the colored shirts were stupid but I can understand the personal effects policy. In areas with really high gang activity / students who are VERY resistant to learning, you want to remove as many identifiers as possible- not to mention the risk of a concealed weapon. 100% no reason why refugees should be put in a school system designed for delinquents, though.
[quote]You can't afford schools that are good enough so we're going to sue you so you REALLY can't afford schools that are good enough[/quote] Greedy fucks, this isn't going to solve the problem.
[QUOTE=phygon;50924935]Greedy fucks, this isn't going to solve the problem.[/QUOTE] Explain another route they can take then?
[QUOTE=phygon;50924935]Greedy fucks, this isn't going to solve the problem.[/QUOTE] How are they greedy for wanting an education that [I]isn't[/I] focused around criminal/mentally disturbed students?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50924945]Explain another route they can take then?[/QUOTE] Maybe deal with the issues that lead to the school having to act that way in the first place Maybe deal with the school's likely horrible under-funding Maybe approach this through pushed legislation or literally anything else other than taking away money from the obviously already-crippled school Suing a district that's already that poor isn't going to help anything
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