Paris ban on Muslim street prayers comes into effect - Polidicks

Source: [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14945467[/url] [quote]Interior Minister Claude Gueant has offered believers the use of a disused fire brigade barracks instead. The phenomenon of street prayers, which see Muslims spreading mats on footpaths, became a political issue after far right protests. France is home to the biggest Muslim minority in Western Europe. By some estimates, as many as six million French people, or just under 10% of the population, are Muslims, with origins in France's former North African colonies. Their integration has been a source of political debate in recent years, and earlier this year France became the first EU state to ban the wearing of the Islamic veil in public. The new ban came into force at midnight (22:00 GMT) on Thursday, in time for traditional Muslim Friday prayers. Mohamed Salah Hamza inside the former barracks to be used a Paris prayer hall, 15 September Mohamed Salah Hamza is concerned the new space is not ready Speaking earlier this week to Le Figaro, Mr Gueant said about 1,000 people were using two streets in the capital's multi-ethnic Goutte d'Or district for prayers. He said an agreement had been reached with two local mosques for the state to rent out the disused barracks on Boulevard Ney with floorspace of 2,000 sq m (yds) for three years. To encourage believers to use the new space, prayers would not be held inside the existing mosques for the first few weeks. He said he did not believe force would have to be used to impose the ban because dialogue was "bearing fruit". The minister said similar problems with street prayers existed in two other cities, Marseille and Nice. Responding to Mr Gueant's plan, Mohamed Salah Hamza, an imam in the Goutte d'Or, said preparations at the barracks were behind schedule, and he feared a "climate of anarchy". "We are not cattle," he was quoted as saying by France's TF1 News. Far right protests at the "Islamisation" of the Goutte d'Or district began last year and in December the leader of the French National Front, Marine Le Pen, accused Muslim fundamentalists of using prayers for political ends. She controversially compared the practice to the Nazi wartime occupation of France.[/quote] I kind of agree with this. Tons of Muslims praying in the street in a western country, not a good idea. They banned it for the safety of the Muslims.

Not to mention it probably piss a lot of people off.

[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;32317999]Not to mention it probably piss a lot of people off.[/QUOTE]Yeah, probably does.

This will probably cause a complete shit-storm in the political world, but if this is a long-standing thing I can see if being used in a lot of arguments both for and against religious extremists.

[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;32317999]Not to mention it probably piss a lot of people off.[/QUOTE] Better to piss off less people than more people.

Can someone explain to me why they can't pray at home?

[QUOTE=Cone;32318010]This will probably cause a complete shit-storm in the political world, but if this is a long-standing thing I can see if being used in a lot of arguments both for and against religious extremists.[/QUOTE]Extremists will obviously have a problem, since they bitch about everything. They won't understand that this is for their own safety.

Only in France

I can see why they would do this, but I won't be surprised if/when some people get a little pissed. It's good, though, that they gave a designated space, so that could be good.

It's not really about the safety of the muslims - most of the time, they are doing these prayers by groups of twenty, thirty, or more. It was banned because it wasn't manageable anymore to have an entire street blocked for quite a long time one day per week. Even if it's one guy praying in the street, it's still one guy in the middle of the walk starting to block the way. Thankfully it's just a matter of space, the fact it's being done either inside or outside isn't important, which would normally avoid certain troubles executing the law correctly. Though it's quite inevitable a few will call racism and yell at everyone because they will have to walk a few dozen meters more for their prayer.

[QUOTE=madjawa;32318014]Can someone explain to me why they can't pray at home?[/QUOTE] sure they can,but it's better to pray together along with other muslims(it s called Salah jama'ah,but since There's no mosque in paris,They decide to Pray on street,Because the goal of it is To increase Bond beetwen muslims. if there's a Mosque in Paris or france.This thing wont be happened

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32318025]It's not really about the safety of the muslims - most of the time, they are doing these prayers by groups of twenty, thirty, or more. It was banned because it wasn't manageable anymore to have an entire street blocked for quite a long time one day per week. Even if it's one guy praying in the street, it's still one guy in the middle of the walk starting to block the way. Thankfully it's just a matter of space, the fact it's being done either inside or outside isn't important, which would normally avoid certain troubles executing the law correctly. Though it's quite inevitable a few will call racism and yell at everyone because they will have to walk a few dozen meters more for their prayer.[/QUOTE]That too. But I honestly think their safety was being taken into account as well. Most of the world hates Muslims because they see them as terrorists. Forbidding them to pray to Allah in the streets is one less target painted on their backs.

[QUOTE=madjawa;32318014]Can someone explain to me why they can't pray at home?[/QUOTE] The goal of these prayers is to form medium to big groups of people who pray together under the direction of one man. Until now they lacked room for that. They also pray at home but Islam has some very precise rules about praying - it has to be done at certain hours and certain days, no matter what. This is why some professors had trouble as well trying to interrupt Muslim students starting to pray in the middle of class because they didn't know what they were doing.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32318012]Better to piss off less people than more people.[/QUOTE] This was kinda and accident waiting to happen. Maybe someone - an idiot, to be sure - gets angry at them during their prayers, thinking they're all extremists. If that happened, a [I]lot[/I] of people would have gotten angry.

It's nice that they're being offered an alternative rather than just going 'go solve this shit yourself'.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;32318059]It's nice that they're being offered an alternative rather than just going 'go solve this shit yourself'.[/QUOTE] build a mid-sized mosque somewhere,so they could pray.

[QUOTE=faze;32318037]That too. But I honestly think their safety was being taken into account as well. Most of the world hates Muslims because they see them as terrorists. Forbidding them to pray to Allah in the streets is one less target painted on their backs.[/QUOTE] France has a lot of Muslims, mainly because of the colonies we held for quite a long time. Anti-muslims are rather scarce even though they're still being shown a lot in the media (hence regular tomb profanation reports and other house burnings, though they have been really rare in the past year), and are basically concentrated in the south of france and the north, in Alsace and Lorraine. It's notable though that people who actually are against Muslims are pretty much against any form of exterior culture, which is quite dumb when you know French culture is an assemblage of a lot of other various ones. [editline]16th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=n00b_modders;32318067]build a mid-sized mosque somewhere,so they could pray.[/QUOTE] They will do this, but for now the government's giving them unused buildings such as fire stations until proper mosques are built. Technically this is breaking the law and state separation law, but at least it's made for a greater good. Sadly this also gives extremists some arguments (that "marine le-pen" quoted in the article is really good at finding tiny bits like that and make them huge scandals, her father was even worse)

I'm a Muslim and I support this. This is what mosques are for, public street prayers aren't hurting anyone but in France they're blocking roads and causing a disturbance, and it's not exactly Islamic to force your ideology on a country that doesn't share it, but just make it tolerable for you both. Non-radical, normal, and true Islam, anyway.

[QUOTE=n00b_modders;32318035]sure they can,but it's better to pray together along with other muslims(it s called Salah jama'ah,but since There's no mosque in paris,They decide to Pray on street,Because the goal of it is To increase Bond beetwen muslims. if there's a Mosque in Paris or france.This thing wont be happened[/QUOTE] There's a lot of Mosques in France, they are just not big enough for the sudden increase in Muslims there was these last years.

[QUOTE=madjawa;32318014]Can someone explain to me why they can't pray at home?[/QUOTE] Friday prayers are held in congregation, its like mass but obligatory.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;32318133]Non-radical, normal, and true Islam, anyway.[/QUOTE] Radical "Muslims" are nothing but power hungry obscurantists that want to dumb down people to run their own little country while pretending it's God who told them to. They are many things, but Muslim isn't one of them.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;32318133]I'm a Muslim and I support this. This is what mosques are for, public street prayers aren't hurting anyone but in France they're blocking roads and causing a disturbance, and it's not exactly Islamic to force your ideology on a country that doesn't share it, but just make it tolerable for you both. Non-radical, normal, and true Islam, anyway.[/QUOTE] Same here,But It's An unfortunate that the hijab is banned in France,

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32318148]Radical "Muslims" are nothing but power hungry obscurantists that want to dumb down people to run their own little country while pretending it's God who told them to. They are many things, but Muslim isn't one of them.[/QUOTE] I wish this view was shared by the majority.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;32318173]I wish this view was shared by the majority.[/QUOTE]Sadly enough Muslim extremism is becoming more common.

[QUOTE=n00b_modders;32318159]Same here,But It's An unfortunate that the hijab is banned in France,[/QUOTE] Which hijab are you talking about ? The one that only covers the hair or the one that covers the full body ? Because the first one is allowed, just not in primary and high schools to avoid problems. They are allowed in colleges and later on though. The complete one is forbidden for many reasons. The official bullshit reason is that it goes against women's rights, which I partially agree with, but banning it on the street won't stop abusive Muslim husbands to keep their wife at home. One of the real reasons is that these things can be used to hide someone for, say, a crime, like robbery, thief during manifestations of some sort, or fraud. Knowing the rule applies to every piece of cloth that hides one's face in public places, it also kills two birds with one stones because it also prevents people from running around face hidden in crowds to steal shit (it happened a lot before).

I'm french and from a muslim family and i agree with this, we have a secular state and it needs to stay like this. Again nice from our government to give them a place, Mosquee in Paris are to small. Also for the muslim cloth ban, it's because people can hide with it, so it's a question of security, But the simple one (the one covering only hair), is allowed.

[QUOTE=faze;32318183]Sadly enough Muslim extremism is becoming more common.[/QUOTE] What amazes me is that the western world don't understand that these people don't just want to make the west Muslim, they want the Muslim world to follow THEIR interpretation of Muslim. Qatar, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Bahrain, Kuwait, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates; they are all equally as in danger and equally 'at war' with the terrorists despite all having muslim majorities on the grounds just because we don't want to follow their lunatic idea of Islam. You're talking about a few hundred people that are representing the 1.3 billion muslims on earth. It is not becoming more common whatsoever, when these people are found in the 'normal' Muslim countries, they are detained and arrested just as anywhere else.

[QUOTE=faze;32318183]Sadly enough Muslim extremism is becoming more common.[/QUOTE] It's because Many of them are provoked by extremists..who says jihad is waging war on non-believers rather than struggle fighting against your own carnality.

[QUOTE=madjawa;32318014]Can someone explain to me why they can't pray at home?[/QUOTE] Muslims have to stop what they're doing and pray five times a day, regardless of where they are or what they're doing.

[QUOTE=faze;32318183]Sadly enough Muslim extremism is becoming more common.[/QUOTE] Assuming Muslim extremism is part of Islam (which I don't agree with), it's still a very small part of it. By the way, did you know extremists are using porn sites to pass ads in order to gather new troops ? Kinda ironic when you know porn is forbidden to Muslims :v: