[Quote=The BBC]
[B]Wikileaks founder Julian Assange has lost his Supreme Court fight against extradition to Sweden to face accusations of sex offences.[/B]
The judgement was reached by a majority of five to two, the court's president, Lord Phillips, told the hearing.
Mr Assange's lawyers had asked the UK's highest court to block his removal, arguing that a European arrest warrant issued against him was "invalid".
But the court ruled the extradition request had been "lawfully made".
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[URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18260914[/URL]
Its breaking news so the article is pretty short but I worth posting anyway I guess.
The thing the BBC article lacks is the fact that his legal team have asked for the judgement to be stayed for 14 days. It seems they are going to ask for it to be reopened because it was decided on something (the Vienna convention) that neither side were given the chance to argue.
[url=http://www.supremecourt.gov.uk/docs/UKSC_2011_0264_Judgment.pdf]117 page judgement if anyone wants to read[/url]
I think Assange is a twat, but this whole rape charge thing sounds extremely fishy.
[QUOTE=Squeaken;36129448]I think Assange is a twat, but this whole rape charge thing sounds extremely fishy.[/QUOTE]
god i know what a twat revealing information hidden from the public regarding backroom deals, foreign policy and the deaths of civilians overseas fuck that dude
How dare he point out that bad things happen, my precious innocence is all gone now!
[QUOTE=Squeaken;36129448]I think Assange is a twat, but this whole rape charge thing sounds extremely fishy.[/QUOTE]
It's long been all but confirmed that the US Government pressured Sweden into convicting him on what's essentially grasping at straws.
now i'm completely for what Wikileaks is doing, and I totally don't agree with how the governments have treated this case...
BUT, why are we so quick to clear Assange of any wrong doing?
[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;36129579]It's long been all but confirmed that the US Government pressured Sweden into convicting him on what's essentially grasping at straws.[/QUOTE]
When has this been confirmed?
[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;36129579]It's long been all but confirmed that the US Government pressured Sweden into convicting him on what's essentially grasping at straws.[/QUOTE]
uh, no...
that's just what commentators have said.
there hasn't been an actual trial yet.
[QUOTE=thisispain;36129606]now i'm completely for what Wikileaks is doing, and I totally don't agree with how the governments have treated this case...
BUT, why are we so quick to clear Assange of any wrong doing?[/QUOTE]
As I recall, there was some assurance that, if extradited to Sweden, the Swedish government would certainly hand him over to the US for a less than legal proceeding, but I suppose in retrospect that was mostly just hearsay.
I'm more curious as to whether he will be convicted for the sexual assault charges against him, what exactly were they?
[QUOTE=Megafan;36129623]As I recall, there was some assurance that, if extradited to Sweden, the Swedish government would certainly hand him over to the US for a less than legal proceeding, but I suppose in retrospect that was mostly just hearsay.[/QUOTE]
I don't understand why Sweden would be happier to hand him over to the US, than Britain
[QUOTE=smurfy;36129746]I don't understand why Sweden would be happier to hand him over to the US, than Britain[/QUOTE]
This has been my problem with that theory since the start of all this, the UK is well known for having less than perfect extradition treaties with the US. If this had been the US requesting it he would have been in the US years ago.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;36129462]god i know what a twat revealing information hidden from the public regarding backroom deals, foreign policy and the deaths of civilians overseas fuck that dude[/QUOTE]
Well technically he provided a platform for other people to do that and has been known to be an asshole to the rest of the admin stuff for being a glory hoarder, which is why counter projects like OpenLeaks were initiated by people that left his team.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;36129678]I'm more curious as to whether he will be convicted for the sexual assault charges against him, what exactly were they?[/QUOTE]
Probably not, that case came around the same time as those 1000s of Iraq war cables leaked, very fishy timing for a suit against him to appear
[QUOTE=thisispain;36129606]now i'm completely for what Wikileaks is doing, and I totally don't agree with how the governments have treated this case...
BUT, why are we so quick to clear Assange of any wrong doing?[/QUOTE]The woman in question even dropped the charges and then US agents made her put them back up again.
[QUOTE=Lizzrd;36129803]The woman in question even dropped the charges and then US agents made her put them back up again.[/QUOTE]
you pulled that completely out of your ass.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Judicial_Authority_v_Julian_Assange[/url]
[QUOTE=Lizzrd;36129803]The woman in question even dropped the charges and then US agents made her put them back up again.[/QUOTE]
You appear to have confused a rumour / conspiracy theory with fact.
[QUOTE=smurfy;36129746]I don't understand why Sweden would be happier to hand him over to the US, than Britain[/QUOTE]
Because Sweden likes bending over to the U.S.
[QUOTE=Jsm;36129762]This has been my problem with that theory since the start of all this, the UK is well known for having less than perfect extradition treaties with the US. If this had been the US requesting it he would have been in the US years ago.[/QUOTE]
There needs to be a guarantee that the sentence would be on par with what you'd get in the UK though, afaik. And I do believe it's more likely for the rape case to be treated the same in sweden and the UK, rather than whateverthefuck the US would charge him with and how that would be in the UK.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;36129863]It's pretty much the perfect accusation.
You dont have to even be proven guilty to have your entire reputation destroyed. I dont know whether or not they're true, though.[/QUOTE]
considering there's one article considering the accusation for every 100 articles denouncing them as illegitimate i would have to ask where you pulled that from.
maybe Lizzrd's rectal cavity is getting a lot of work today
Currently there are no formal criminal charges against Assange in the U.S. They have not requested his extradition. In order to to extradite Assange under an agreement, the U.S must prosecute him for a crime that will at the very least give two years of imprisonment under both countries laws. There must also be evidence that makes Assange a 'very likely suspect' of the crime, which is the highest degree of suspicion in Sweden.
The crime can not be a military or political offense. U.S Department of Justice is considering prosecuting Assange for espionage but it is difficult to determine whether there is a prosecution point that satisfies all the requirements. In addition, the Swedish Government can decide not to disclose Assange, even if he qualifies. The reverse is not, meaning the government can not decide whether to extradite someone who does not meet the legislative requirements.
There is a further obstacle to extradite him to a third country from Sweden. If he comes here, he is handed over from Britain, and then Sweden can not extradite him further unless Britain agrees.
As far as I know there are no formal charges against him in Sweden either.
Everything I've heard from the Swedish side points to that he won't be sent to the US.
Besides, he's not as many have said even charged with a crime yet. He's just a high suspect of rape related crimes on two women. It's entirely possible that once he gets here and they don't find enough evidence for him to be charged he would be released in a week.
The biggest problem people have with this (or so I've heard) is that in most countries it requires a court decision to put an European wide arrest order on someone. While here in sweden even just a prosecutor can do it. Which also was what happened here.
the only thing getting leaked out of the european justice system is stupidity now
[QUOTE=Bobie;36131882]the only thing getting leaked out of the european justice system is stupidity now[/QUOTE]
Lol, that's funny
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;36129889]There needs to be a guarantee that the sentence would be on par with what you'd get in the UK though, afaik. And I do believe it's more likely for the rape case to be treated the same in sweden and the UK, rather than whateverthefuck the US would charge him with and how that would be in the UK.[/QUOTE]
The US-UK extradition treaty is hugely in favour of the US though. IRC the US only needs to suspect them of a crime, without any evidence, to be able to extradite him. It wouldn't make sense for the US to arrange for him to go to Sweden first.
[QUOTE=Camundongo;36132133]The US-UK extradition treaty is hugely in favour of the US though. IRC the US only needs to suspect them of a crime, without any evidence, to be able to extradite him. It wouldn't make sense for the US to arrange for him to go to Sweden first.[/QUOTE]
I thought the crime would for one be seen as a crime in the UK as well, and the minimum and maximum prison sentences had to be more or less on par, guess I was wrong then.
What if he's actually guilty of rape?
Its a what if question.
I like Wikileaks, but Assange is a paranoid man with his head up his ass. I never liked how he was somehow the figure head of wikileaks. Much scarier as a faceless organization with no way to stop.
[QUOTE=VengfulSoldier;36132215]What if he's actually guilty of rape?
Its a what if question.
I like Wikileaks, but Assange is a paranoid man with his head up his ass. I never liked how he was somehow the figure head of wikileaks. Much scarier as a faceless organization with no way to stop.[/QUOTE]
pls explain how he 'has his head up his ass'
[QUOTE=Bobie;36132228]pls explain how he 'has his head up his ass'[/QUOTE]
Its the way he presents himself, I've seen him on several interviews and the only feeling I get is that he's got his head stuck up his ass. Its a very nice, ethically and morally correct ass, but still stuck up his ass.
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