Former Nazi death guard in Canada court win - Polidicks

We're seeing a lot of these news articles recently. [quote]A 92-year-old man who has admitted being a former Nazi death squad member has won a court victory in Canada, fending off the latest of several efforts to revoke his citizenship. Canada has revoked his citizenship three times since 1995 but each time it has been overturned on appeal, the latest ruling being made on Thursday. Helmut Oberlander says he was forced to act as a translator for the WWII squad. He says he did not participate in atrocities and was conscripted.[/quote] [quote]Oberlander was born in Ukraine and became a member of a Nazi death squad, the Ek 10a, which operated behind the German army's front line in occupied eastern European territory between 1941 to 1943. It was part of a force that killed more than two million people, many of them Jews, CTV News reported. [B]Oberlander insists that he was made to do translation work as a teenager and that he would have been executed if he refused to do so.[/B] His responsibilities included finding food and cleaning boots before he later became an infantryman in the German army. Oberlander emigrated to Canada in 1954, becoming a citizen in 1960 - but did not reveal his wartime record.[/quote] [quote]"It's been tiring and difficult and unnecessary and now the Supreme Court - the highest court - has told the government that's enough." Mr Poulton argues that while Oberlander concealed his wartime service, this should not result in him losing his citizenship after living for 50 years in Canada, especially as he had neither carried out nor been complicit in war crimes.[/quote] [url=http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36738564]**SOURCE**[/url] [quote]But Jewish groups say [url=http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a166/ballsandy/the_three_oy-veys.png][b]WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA![/b][/url]. They argue he should be "deported without further delay".[/quote] Of course you would say that. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitpost" - Swebonny))[/highlight] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("We dont need stupid streotypes in OPs" - Swebonny))[/highlight] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("We dont need stupid streotypes in OPs" - Swebonny))[/highlight]

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Pretty sure anyone that refused to work for Germany at that time would've been executed. Not much of a reason to make these old men's lives any more miserable since they're going to die within a few years anyways.

if where talking about en ex ss nazi of death then sure does'nt matter how long ago it was they should be charge but if they where the avarge joe just doing there job/doing it not to be shot them self then eh let it go

[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;50669046]if where talking about en ex ss nazi of death then sure does'nt matter how long ago it was they should be charge but if they where the avarge joe just doing there job/doing it not to be shot them self then eh let it go[/QUOTE] no, as stated in the last thread, that'd be a large waste of resources just to prosecute a likely about to die old man

[QUOTE=Scorpo;50669091]no, as stated in the last thread, that'd be a large waste of resources just to prosecute a likely about to die old man[/QUOTE] I was talking about someone so evil like the " Angle of Death " dude was pretty fucked

[QUOTE=pentium;50668915] [quote]But Jewish groups say [URL="http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a166/ballsandy/the_three_oy-veys.png"]WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA[/URL]!.[/quote] Of course you would say that.[/QUOTE] Is this really necessary.

[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;50669325]Is this really necessary.[/QUOTE] I'd say it is. A lot of Jewish news sources, especially those affiliated with Israel more than the others, kind of have a bloodlust for old Nazis.

[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;50669414]I'd say it is. A lot of Jewish news sources, especially those affiliated with Israel more than the others, kind of have a bloodlust for old Nazis.[/QUOTE] Real talk, a crude joke that plays on stereotypes is not an intelligent nor meaningful form of discussion. Is it funny? Kinda, but its hardly intelligent. Regardless I have no real say in this matter, the deed is done, those people are dead. If these men we hunt down show true remorse and have changed their ways, what good is it to bother

He should have gone to jail and been treated like other nazis, either hung or shot. If the courts, however, find him innocent, then I have no reason to debate with it.

[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;50669325]Is this really necessary.[/QUOTE] So long as these Jewish groups are going around with their "kill them all!" philosophy regarding anyone with the slightest form of affiliation with the Holocaust... Yes. Honestly, I cannot for the life of me understand why they are so persistent with hunting down old ex-Wehrmacht, and yet in the same note can even begin to support the State of Israel, which goes around toting the same racial purity shit as the Nazis. Not only did Israel have a program which forced giving African Jews [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gave-birth-control-to-ethiopian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html]birth control without their consent[/url], but they have several policies which forcefully remove people from their homes in the hopes of segregating the Palestinians with the Gaza Strip.

I thought the death squad shit was voluntary? Or is that just the concentration camp guards that were volunteers?

[QUOTE=Araknid;50669699]I thought the death squad shit was voluntary? Or is that just the concentration camp guards that were volunteers?[/QUOTE] Some "death squads" were volunteer. Rear line troops, in SS or Wehrmacht, could take extra pay to participate in mass executions. The Einsatzgruppen, who were dedicated to the mass executions and rounding up dissidents, were pretty much hand picked men that were fanatical about Nazi Ideals and what not. Concentration camp postings weren't really voluntary, your typical grunt didn't have a whole lot of control over that. The book "[URL="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007QPH5FK/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1#nav-subnav"]Soldiers: Fighting Killing and Dying[/URL]" has a lot of insight on this subject. Very heavy reading but very informative and non-biased book on the subject.

[QUOTE=Araknid;50669699]I thought the death squad shit was voluntary? Or is that just the concentration camp guards that were volunteers?[/QUOTE] Einsatsgruppen aka death squads, were primarily filled with volunteer SS soldiers, local police from the region and other volunteers. The Einstats kommando were essentially criminals given a free pass to murder and rape anything behind the front lines. However, as is always the case with Nazi Germany it's not that simple. The death squads operated behind the front lines and where 'senior' to the whermacht troops in the sectors they operated, as such when the death squads required it, they could take whermacht troops under their wing to bolster their numbers. This was a direct order and if you dissobeyed it you'd be in deep shit. So yes regular soldiers and conscripts did end up working as death squads but it was not permenant. This guy was a translator, it's very possible he was attached to the deathsquads without a say in the matter.

[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;50669325]Is this really necessary.[/QUOTE] pentium hates Jews, so it's kinda expected.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;50670128]pentium hates Jews, so it's kinda expected.[/QUOTE] Typical Nazi nothing new here.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50669634]He should have gone to jail and been treated like other nazis, either hung or shot. If the courts, however, find him innocent, then I have no reason to debate with it.[/QUOTE] Is this for real? You would advocate for the hanging of an elderly person on the verge of death?

[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;50671964]Is this for real? You would advocate for the hanging of an elderly person on the verge of death?[/QUOTE] I think he meant back in the days, not that it makes it any better.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;50669775]Some "death squads" were volunteer. Rear line troops, in SS or Wehrmacht, could take extra pay to participate in mass executions. The Einsatzgruppen, who were dedicated to the mass executions and rounding up dissidents, were pretty much hand picked men that were fanatical about Nazi Ideals and what not. Concentration camp postings weren't really voluntary, your typical grunt didn't have a whole lot of control over that. The book "[URL="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007QPH5FK/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1#nav-subnav"]Soldiers: Fighting Killing and Dying[/URL]" has a lot of insight on this subject. Very heavy reading but very informative and non-biased book on the subject.[/QUOTE] Even late war a soldier could be asked to be transferred if on guard duty in a concentration camp but usually that meant being shipped to the eastern front...

[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;50672417]Honestly when given the choice who would choose to go fight in a front over staying behind in a camp.[/QUOTE] Many people imo. It's extremely mentally challenging to knowingly participating to a genocide, even Himmler himself got sick when watching an execution by an Einsatzgruppe. There's a reason why the SS were looking for brutal and/or emotionless soldiers for their firing squads. I'd rather shoot innocent people who are trying to kill me than participating in some way to the extermination of innocent people who can't even fight back. Plus there are many testimonies stating that soldiers would rather be at the front with their comrades rather than going back home, All Quiet on the Western Front comes to mind. [editline].[/editline] But a simple translator shouldn't get shit just for being part of the german army

Einsatzgruppen squads were hand picked Voluntary members of the SS that showed the most fanaticism towards 'The cause'. Even in the SS it was hard for commanders to order their troops to commit atrocities. A lot of SS members were professional soldiers who just wanted to be soldiers and got sucked up in to the giant mess the war became. On the other hand there were plenty of fanatics that were more than happy to be allowed to let loose their sick behavior on to others.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50669634]He should have gone to jail and been treated like other nazis, either hung or shot. If the courts, however, find him innocent, then I have no reason to debate with it.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry but that's really dumb, throwing people under the bus by guilty of association would send a lot of innocent people to jail.

[QUOTE=Hauptmann;50672461]Many people imo. It's extremely mentally challenging to knowingly participating to a genocide, even Himmler himself got sick when watching an execution by an Einsatzgruppe. There's a reason why the SS were looking for brutal and/or emotionless soldiers for their firing squads. I'd rather shoot innocent people who are trying to kill me than participating in some way to the extermination of innocent people who can't even fight back. [b]Plus there are many testimonies stating that soldiers would rather be at the front with their comrades rather than going back home, All Quiet on the Western Front comes to mind.[/b] [editline].[/editline] But a simple translator shouldn't get shit just for being part of the german army[/QUOTE] It depends on the person really. If a soldier was going to be shipped to the Western Front where medics weren't being shot on sight and POW's weren't being mutilated, then most men would have jumped at the chance to get out of a death camp. But I doubt many would choose to be sent to the Eastern Front no matter how mentally scarred they were pulling guard duty in a concentration camp. The Eastern Front was a completely different war. It was a war of extermination for each side and both were committing some of the most violent atrocities ever seen in warfare. A lot of men were desperate to get away from that, comrades be damned. The 9th and 12th army break out at the end of the war is kind of evidence to this. The book "Soldiers: Fighting, Killing, and Dying" has a lot of insight on this subject, especially about the mental toll mass executions and concentration camps put on soldiers and the German militaries' philosophy on it. [editline]8th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50669634][b]He should have gone to jail and been treated like other nazis, either hung or shot.[/b] If the courts, however, find him innocent, then I have no reason to debate with it.[/QUOTE] This philosophy is why hundreds of thousands of Germans were practically murdered by the Soviets after the war. Guilty by association is fucking stupid.

It's idiotic why everyone's trying to detain former Nazi's, it's been 70 years. Sure, it's looking back at history we hated, but if we prosecute them then we are no better at it than what Hitler did. Just be the better society, judge people for who they are now rather than what they did in the past.

They made the right decision.

[QUOTE=Tools;50676779] Sure, it's looking back at history we hated, but if we prosecute them then we are no better at it than what Hitler did. [/QUOTE] Have you thought this through logically? Hitler put people in concentration camps and killed them simply because of who they were. These people are being prosecuted according to balanced laws (between evidence and justification) because of their participation in such events. To compare the two is terrible.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50669634]He should have gone to jail and been treated like other nazis, either hung or shot. If the courts, however, find him innocent, then I have no reason to debate with it.[/QUOTE] It's good to know you view being forced into being a translator by the Nazi Army in the same way as gassing Jews, regarding pretty much everyone else as degenerates, and basically being a horrible person.