• California Council of Churches announces its support of Prop 19
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[url]http://yeson19.com/node/141[/url] [release](Sacramento, California) — Today, the California Council of Churches IMPACT, which represents 21 different denominations and over 1.5 million members within the mainstream and progressive Protestant communities of faith, endorsed Proposition 19, the initiative to control and tax cannabis in California. “Proposition 19 is the moral choice for California,” said Rev. Dr. Rick Schlosser, Executive Director of the California Council of Churches IMPACT. “The prohibition of marijuana has failed. It’s created a culture of criminality around a substance that is less harmful than both alcohol and tobacco, which are both legal, controlled, and taxed. Let’s control marijuana like alcohol by passing Proposition 19 in November.” The initiative has also gained support from law enforcement, doctors, Latino community leaders, labor, business leaders, elected officials, political parties, and more. Click here for a full list of endorsements. Since 1913 the California Council of Churches (CCC) and California Church IMPACT (CCI) have labored to create a world that cares for all of its citizens regardless of economic class, ages, gender, race and ethnicity, religious belief, or sexual orientation. Together CCC and CCI operate a Sacramento-based public policy office representing 21 different denominations and over 1.5 million members within the mainstream and progressive Protestant communities of faith. Similar to current alcohol and tobacco laws, Proposition 19 will give state and local governments the ability to control and tax the sale of small amounts of cannabis to adults age 21 and older. As the California Legislative Analyst’s Office (LAO), which provides non-partisan fiscal and policy advice, confirms, Prop 19 includes significant safeguards and controls: It maintains strict criminal penalties for driving under the influence of marijuana, increases the penalty for providing marijuana to a minor, expressly prohibits the consumption of marijuana in public, forbids smoking marijuana while minors are present, and bans possession on school grounds. [1][2] California’s tax collector, the Board of Equalization (BOE), which currently collects alcohol and tobacco taxes, estimates that marijuana taxes could generate $1.4 billion in revenue each year, available to fund law enforcement, healthcare, and other critical needs. The California Legislative Analyst’s Office (LAO) also says Prop 19 would enable California to put our police priorities where they belong, in that it “could result in savings to the state and local governments by reducing the number of marijuana offenders incarcerated in state prisons and county jails, as well as the number placed under county probation or state parole supervision. These savings could reach several tens of millions of dollars annually. The county jail savings would be offset to the extent that jail beds no longer needed for marijuana offenders were used for other criminals who are now being released early because of a lack of jail space."[/release] Even the churches are behind this now. So who's against it now? Growers and prison guards?
OHHH FUCK YEAH. When churches support something you know it'll pass...Like Prop 8
It's a step in the right direction, but I'm still rather upset that the penalty for growing it without a license will go UP.
isn't this worse than gay marriage the topic i mean why don't they support that what the fuck
[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;24578726]isn't this worse than gay marriage the topic i mean why don't they support that what the fuck[/QUOTE] no [quote]“The prohibition of marijuana has failed. It’s created a culture of criminality around a substance that is less harmful than both alcohol and tobacco, which are both legal, controlled, and taxed. Let’s control marijuana like alcohol by passing Proposition 19 in November.”[/quote]
I've always felt that it didn't make sense to make marijuana illegal. I support the legalization of it and I've never even tried it. There's definitely more good to come from it than bad. Unfortunately, on a federal level it would still be illegal, so the feds would be in their rights to bust you for it in California anyways.
[QUOTE=siberpredaht;24578772]no[/QUOTE] i know that marijuana does extremely little harm, but gay marriage has absolutely no affect on the body
[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;24578726]isn't this worse than gay marriage the topic i mean why don't they support that what the fuck[/QUOTE] Because the bible says that a man who lies with another man as he would with a woman shall be put to death. That's exactly why the church doesn't support gay marriage, the bible says it's wrong. Marijuana isn't exactly condemned in the bible. [editline]07:14PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Meatpuppet;24578823]i know that marijuana does extremely little harm, but gay marriage has absolutely no affect on the body[/QUOTE] We're talking about a church though, Christians still follow the word of it, so it's unlikely gay marriage will garner any support from the churches.
[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;24578823]i know that marijuana does extremely little harm, but gay marriage has absolutely no affect on the body[/QUOTE]There is actually debate on whether or not Cannabis is mentioned in the bible, whereas the bible explicitly says that being homosexual is an abomination. It's really that simple: the guys who thought up Christianity said no homos, not no dope.
Good news to everyone!
[QUOTE=TailsPrower;24578868]There is actually debate on whether or not Cannabis is mentioned in the bible, whereas the bible explicitly says that being homosexual is an abomination. It's really that simple: the guys who thought up Christianity said no homos, not no dope.[/QUOTE] [img]http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l82xfzR0Dt1qaoacbo1_500.jpg[/img] pick and choose, pick and choose
Ironic how they support granting the right to smoke weed to everybody, yet also support denying civil rights to gay people. But, if selling out to the churchies is what it takes to get legalization passed, so be it.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs[/media]
The problem is that the bill is A: Federally illegal, and B: Has no guidelines for taxing cannabis.
[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;24578726]isn't this worse than gay marriage the topic i mean why don't they support that what the fuck[/QUOTE] No silly hahaha, neither harm anyone.
I was against this prop before because i am planning on growing later on, but then its going to happen anyway and hopefully other states start doing this.
Does prop 19 keep growing outlawed? What's the logic behind that?
[QUOTE=CivilProtection;24582764]Does prop 19 keep growing outlawed? What's the logic behind that?[/QUOTE] It doesn't. I'm quite doubtful about whether it will pass in november, but in 2012 it definitely will in some states.
[QUOTE=TailsPrower;24578868] It's really that simple: the guys who thought up Christianity said no homos, not no dope.[/QUOTE] Some of the bible says no booze/drugs, some of it says booze/drugs are fine. Same with homosexuality. This is just another case of Christians picking and choosing which parts of their book they want to follow.
420 420 christ every day smoke a j God damn it I hate stoners.
[QUOTE=TailsPrower;24578667]It's a step in the right direction, but I'm still rather upset that the penalty for growing it without a license will go UP.[/QUOTE] You have to protect the tobacco industry :rolleye:
Still fail to see why America chooses 21 as an age, it seems pretty arbitrary and your body is practically fully developed at 18.
[QUOTE=lemongrapes;24613229]Still fail to see why America chooses 21 as an age, it seems pretty arbitrary and your body is practically fully developed at 18.[/QUOTE] Soccer moms chose it, not everyone.
[QUOTE=]“The prohibition of marijuana has failed. It’s created a culture of criminality around a substance that is less harmful than both alcohol and tobacco, which are both legal, controlled, and taxed. Let’s control marijuana like alcohol by passing Proposition 19 in November.”[/QUOTE] My god. Someone actually being able to say the truth. High five, Rev. Dr. Rick Schlosser.
I consider my self Christian, and I think cannabis should be legalized. It causes more harm, crime, and trouble illegal, than it would legal.
I have total respect for that reverend.
[QUOTE=TailsPrower;24578667]It's a step in the right direction, but I'm still rather upset that the penalty for growing it without a license will go UP.[/QUOTE] its probably there so people without licenses will buy from a dispensary, but when they catch somebody growing it without a license, they will be fined or whatever. so either way the state will make money. i doubt it is that hard will it be to get a license?
I think this is a really positive sign. If even Churches are getting behind weed, there's going to be like no resistance. [QUOTE=Lambeth;24578939][IMG]http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l82xfzR0Dt1qaoacbo1_500.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE] I call bullshit on that infographic: [quote=Matthew 8:5-13] 5And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him, 6And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented. 7And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him. 8The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed. 9For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it. 10When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. 11And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 13And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour.[/quote] No affirmation of a gay couple there.
[QUOTE=Splurgy_A;24626672]I think this is a really positive sign. If even Churches are getting behind weed, there's going to be like no resistance. I call bullshit on that infographic: No affirmation of a gay couple there.[/QUOTE] That's what I was thinking. None of those seem to correlate with that image.
[QUOTE=Splurgy_A;24626672]I think this is a really positive sign. If even Churches are getting behind weed, there's going to be like no resistance. I call bullshit on that infographic: No affirmation of a gay couple there.[/QUOTE] Yeah I was curious and checked the verses. It didn't say anything about affirming a gay couple. The Jesus saying people are born gay is there though. Atleast, I think that's what the verse means. I get confused reading scripture, I guess I'm dumb. [editline]06:50AM[/editline] Matthew 19:10-12 (New International Version) 10) The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry." 11) Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12) For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."
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