"Fascism is a religion of the state. It assumes the organic unity of the body politic and longs for a national leader attuned to the will of the people. It is totalitarian in that it views everything as political and holds that any action by the state is justified to achieve the common good. It takes responsibility for all aspects of life, including our health and well-being, and seeks to impose uniformity of thought and action, whether by force or through regulation and social pressure. Everything, including economy and religion, must be aligned with its objectives. Any rival identity is part of the 'problem' and therefore defined as the enemy." -Jonah Goldberg
We are all familiar with the term fascist being thrown around to refer to cops or bad politicians, and often enough we immediately think of Japan, Mussolini, or Hitler during the War. But what is fascism, really? It's complicated, but I'll try to provide to you here all the information you need to know to understand fascist theory in basic.
[B]What is Fascism?[/B]
Fascism is an ideology that encompasses political, social, economic, and spiritual aspects. While the fascist spectrum is complex and confused by mis-identification of non-fascist states as fascist, fascism in general believes in these founding tenets:
An all-powerful state
Unity of state and nation
The nation-state as the central focus of society/state worship
Ideological purity of nation, state, and society
Nationalization of resources
Socialization of social programs
Syndicalization of the economy
War as national invigoration
Class unity
Historical revisionism/historical negation
Organic nationalism
Essentially, fascism is a totalitarian dictatorship that unifies the nation and the state, and places it at the focus of society. All that is done is done for the state, by the state, and because of the state. In fascism, the economy will be set up to be neither socialist nor capitalist, as fascism is a corporate state: a state in which the government controls all resources and the economy by partitioning off sectors into “corporate entities”. These sectors are guided and controlled in part by their workers and managers, but ultimately by the state. The state, in return for the undying worship by the nation, places a high priority on providing social services and protections to all people, regardless of class. In fascism, class conflict would be destroyed, as the classes would be benefitted in their own positions. It would be in their benefit to work proudly for the state, setting aside class differences, and accepting and working in their place. Fascism is an odd mix of leftist and right-wing concepts, but overall lands on the right side of the spectrum because of the ultimate ideological goal.
[B]What is National Socialism?[/B]
"National socialism is the determination to create a new man. There will no longer exist any individual arbitrary will, nor realms in which the individual belongs to himself. The time of happiness as a private matter is over." -Adolf Hitler
National Socialism is famous for the application by the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, or the Nazis. National Socialism is a sub-type of fascism, but deviates in multiple ways. National Socialism itself also has deviations within- national socialism, strangely, has left-wing forms as well as the more well-known right-wing forms. The primary right-wing application of national socialism differs from fascism in these ways:
Ethnic nationalism and purity as a higher focus over the nation
National founding myths and national historical revisionism
A focus on the nation as the basis of the state, rather than the economy
A focus on action rather than unity
A focus on the individual leader over the vanguard party
Philosophically speaking, national socialism and traditional fascism are different in many ways. Fascism focuses on the supremacy of the state, national socialism on the supremacy of the people (nation). Fascism focuses on economics and class, national socialism focuses on society and race. These distinctions show why there were clear distinctions in the way the government treated society in Italy and Germany: in Italy, there was little talk of national, ethnic, religious, or racial purity, yet also less focus on social programs and education, than in Germany. In Germany, the people-centered focus creates racism, social purity, religious unity, and ethnic nationalism. In short: fascism is a focus on the material- economy, state, and class; and national socialism focuses on the immaterial- people, race, religion, and nation. The differences have led some researchers, as well as some fascists, to distinguish fascism and national socialism, classifying them as separate ideologies entirely.
[B]What is Strasserism?[/B]
Strasserism is a form of fascism and national socialism (depending on who you ask) that focuses on working class support. While fascism promotes a vanguard party (a party that will guide, lead, and control the revolution and the future state), Strasserism promotes a class medium to the revolution. Like socialism and communism, Strasserism seeks to have the working class revolt and take control, placing its own vanguard into power in its wake. Strasserism, like fascism, was an economic and class-based ideology, and saw socialism as the prominent focus of the economy, above the people aspect of national socialism. Strasserism is today most prominent in neo-nazi working class movements, like skinheads and fascist unions. Strasserism is often cited as an example of left-wing national socialism.
[B]What is the Third Position?[/B]
Third Positionism is a fascist and corporatist ideology that advocates opposition to both capitalism and socialism/communism, but is not concerned with race nor as much with economics. The Third Position is described as rejecting “both Marxism and liberalism for an ultranationalism that seeks to achieve a national rebirth by establishing a confederation of ethnically and racially homogeneous communities where ownership of productive property is distributed among all members.”
[B]What is a corporate state?[/B]
A corporate state is a state often confused for being fascist. Included in this is the Falange of Spain, the Estado Novo of Portugal, and the Empire of Japan before 1945. Corporate states are authoritarian in nature, often totalitarian, and focus on leadership by a small group or an individual. Corporatist states share an economic system with fascism, but often are not as nationalist or racist. Unlike fascism, corporate states often do not have nation-state worship as the focus- instead, it merely has a cult of personality of the leader(s). While fascism sees itself as a spiritual, class-unified, ethno-centric, nationalist and statist ideology, corporate states are not spiritual in the same regard, often care little for class unity (and infact more often than not create further class divisions), and usually are only concerned with nationalism so far as benefitting their nation- that is, they are not supremacists, merely self-interested. The confusion over the authoritarian nature of corporate states and its similarities with fascism has caused mis-identification, and even further mis-identification when the majority of states commonly defined as fascist are actually merely authoritarian corporatist states. Hence, in the popular mind, fascism has been watered down to mean only that which is authoritarian.
[U]Further reading:[/U]
[url=http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/reading/germany/mussolini.htm]The Doctrine of Fascism[/url]
[url=http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/1708-ps.asp]The 25-Point Program of the National Socialist German Workers' Party[/url]
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Theses]The 12 Theses[/url]
[url=http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/mussolini-fascism.asp]What is Fascism?[/url]
[url=http://aryanism.net/politics/national-socialism-and-fascism/]National Socialism and Fascism[/url]
[U]For more information on fascism, contact these fascist FP members:[/U]
[url=http://www.facepunch.com/members/image.php?u=489118]KriegsMar1ne[/url]
[url=http://facepunch.com/member.php?u=305657]Professer Trall[/url]
[url=http://facepunch.com/member.php?u=383161]Soleeedus[/url]
[url=http://www.facepunch.com/member.php?u=443408]foxconn[/url]
[url=http://facepunch.com/member.php?u=427147]thelurker1234[/url]
[highlight]Notice: This is purely an informative thread and is not intended to promote or sympathize with fascism. This is the intended first entry in a series of similar threads about various political ideologies by me. If anyone here recognizes me, you will know that I am a committed leftist and am opposed to fascism and authoritarianism. I chose to do this thread in a mostly unbiased manner so as to give fascism the same respect I would give my own ideology, from an objective standpoint, and allow users to see it bare and without the usual spin or immediate reaction. Supporting fascism and nazism is a bannable offense, and posters should take this into account.[/highlight]
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The funny thing about Fascism is extremely similar to Communism but Communism accuses non of the Stigma and is somewhat worse depending on your point of view
[QUOTE]An all-powerful state
Unity of state and nationNationalization of resources
Socialization of social programs
Syndicalization of the economyClass unity
Historical revisionism/historical negation[/QUOTE]
Are pretty much all common ground.
-s
[QUOTE=eurocracy;40881067]Like pure communism, it's a very distonct opposite end of the political spectrum. Ironically we seem to use "fascist" as an insult despite it being a workable system. The connotation with Hitler like communism with Stalin and North Korea is quite silly really.
Though as it is extreme, it mostly serves as a model to examine, like communism, when it comes to modern socio-economic systems. Not that it doesn't work however, like communism it will work perfectly in executed correctly.[/QUOTE]
saying 'it will work perfectly if executed correctly' is a bit redundant. you could say that about any system. 'it would work if it worked'
fascism is a bit useless as a political ideology and has, and never will serve to benefit humanity
hey seed-eater this is pretty good
what other ideologies do you have planned?
[QUOTE=eurocracy;40881067]Like pure communism, it's a very distonct opposite end of the political spectrum. Ironically we seem to use "fascist" as an insult despite it being a workable system. The connotation with Hitler like communism with Stalin and North Korea is quite silly really.
Though as it is extreme, it mostly serves as a model to examine, like communism, when it comes to modern socio-economic systems. Not that it doesn't work however, like communism it will work perfectly in executed correctly.[/QUOTE]
If "working correctly" leaves no room for dissent or change, and relies on war, the threat of war, or a common enemy as a unifying force, then count me out.
Fascism represents an utterly vile, violent revolutionary ideology which does nothing more than remove the rights of the people and enshrines inequality as morality.
People, do humanity a solid and fight them back
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BKN8C9taZg"]
[video=youtube;9BKN8C9taZg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BKN8C9taZg[/video] [/URL]
This is actually pretty informative. At least, more informative than the incredibly biased "Fascism is bad, that's all you need to know" take on it that my education system gave me. You did a good job keeping a neutral view.
it even fails at being a revolutionary ideology as well!
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;40881573]it even fails at being a revolutionary ideology as well![/QUOTE]
Its more of a counter-revolutionary ideology lead by business elites.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;40881573]it even fails at being a revolutionary ideology as well![/QUOTE]
I don't think it was ever meant to be a revolutionary ideology in the first place. It can't fail at something it wasn't made for.
It includes counter marxist-revolutionary tenets but still likes to think of itself as revolutionary against the current social order, in theory at least. Personally calling it revolutionary reactionism is probably the best you can get to describing it without explicitly saying 'fascism'.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40881138]hey seed-eater this is pretty good
what other ideologies do you have planned?[/QUOTE]
Socialism/Communism, Anarchism, Liberalism, Progressivism/Social Democracy, Conservatism, and Liberation Theory, at least. Not necessarily in that order.
neat thread brah looking forward to the other posts
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2jnX2y30DE[/media]
Can we do Communism next?
This actually doesn't sound so bad.
It doesn't sound too bad until you realise this system offers no adaptability and variety in it's system, even if the state is somehow incorruptible, it simply does not benefit the people and the nation with the flexibility of a multi party system.
I feel this system was only designed with the ruling party in mind.
All political systems are pretty neat in general, but the extreme ones are almost always run by power-crazy dickheads
[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;40882844]All political systems are pretty neat in general, but the extreme ones are almost always run by power-crazy dickheads[/QUOTE]
most political systems are run by power-crazy dickheads
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];40882163']Socialism/Communism, Anarchism, Liberalism, Progressivism/Social Democracy, Conservatism, and Liberation Theory, at least. Not necessarily in that order.[/QUOTE]
can you do reaction
[video=youtube;sq0aD10C6zg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq0aD10C6zg[/video]
always liked this video
Very informative
What would Golden Dawn be correctly classified as? I've seen their ideology been described in many different ways, including as fascist, neo-nazi and ultranationalist.
[QUOTE=UnknownDude;40890075]What would Golden Dawn be correctly classified as? I've seen their ideology been described in many different ways, including as fascist, neo-nazi and ultranationalist.[/QUOTE]
populist ethno-nationalism
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];40882163']Anarchism, Liberalism, Progressivism/Social Democracy, Conservatism, and Liberation Theory, at least. Not necessarily in that order.[/QUOTE]
I do hope that you go into detail on the differences between Anarchist-Syndicalists and the other variants such as An-Capitalists/Voluntarists and Paleo/Neo liberalism and conservatism. People often forget there are many variants of those definitions, this is why it is easier today to say that I would be a Libertarian than it would be to say I am a Classical Liberal.
[QUOTE=Novangel;40882809]It doesn't sound too bad until you realise this system offers no adaptability and variety in it's system, even if the state is somehow incorruptible, it simply does not benefit the people and the nation with the flexibility of a multi party system.
I feel this system was only designed with the ruling party in mind.[/QUOTE]
This is a good thing in a Fascist state, because these places everyone is on the same page and everyone agrees with each other. This would be a problem in societies with a diverse group (such as America) since there is so much differences that a one party system simply couldn't exist.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40881760]Its more of a counter-revolutionary ideology lead by business elites.[/QUOTE]
Not entirely, Corporatocracy is what you get when you get an ideology lead by business elites and although similar do have some notable differences. Fascism is actually very center in terms of swinging right or left, it however swings very upwards towards Authoritarianism in comparison to a Centrist.
Just please don't call libertarianism anarcho-capitalism if you ever make the thread
good thread
it's nice to see other people with strong political opinions, even if yours is inferior, dirty commie
i'd have tea with you but i'm afraid you'd have [I]no class[/I] (heh im sorry)
Ooo an actual fascist
[editline]4th June 2013[/editline]
Serious question, what attracts you to the fascist ideology?
I can't wait to see your thread about communism.
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