Michelle Obama: "America lacks hope" - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Her husband repeatedly used messages of hope in his presidential campaigns and during his time in office. But US First Lady Michelle Obama has struck a much less upbeat tone in her last TV interview before the family leaves the White House. Speaking to talk show host Oprah Winfrey, Mrs Obama said America's outlook had changed since Donald Trump won November's election. "Now we're feeling what not having hope feels like," she said. Mrs Obama played an unusually prominent role in the 2016 election cycle, throwing her support behind Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton and trading barbs with Mr Trump. She called on women to rise up against him over his groping comments and denounced his campaign's "hateful language". In turn, the Republican accused her of spending too much time campaigning for Mrs Clinton.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38345516[/url] [SP]Can't wait for the Trump supporters to show up in here.[/SP] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Spoiler tag misuse AND trying to shitstorm own thread" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=MissZoey;51538873][SP]Can't wait for the Trump supporters to show up in here.[/SP][/QUOTE] What was the point of saying this?

Well, to be fair, she's not wrong :>

I am now a Trump supporter just for the sake of screw your toxic "us vs them" attitude.

A whole lot of hopeful people voted for Trump

[QUOTE=IFawDown;51538894]What was the point of saying this?[/QUOTE] Because Trump supporters have this habit of not going into threads where Trump has blatantly done something wrong with full evidence, but they go into threads like this where someone is calling him out on something and they ritually denounce whoever is calling Trump out.

[QUOTE=MissZoey;51538911]Because Trump supporters have this habit of not going into threads where Trump has blatantly done something wrong with full evidence, but they go into threads like this where someone is calling him out on something and they ritually denounce whoever is calling Trump out.[/QUOTE] By the power invested in me as a Trump Supporter (TM), I ritually denounce you.

[QUOTE=MissZoey;51538911]Because Trump supporters have this habit of not going into threads where Trump has blatantly done something wrong with full evidence, but they go into threads like this where someone is calling him out on something and they ritually denounce whoever is calling Trump out.[/QUOTE] So don't needlessly call people out?

[QUOTE=MissZoey;51538911]Because Trump supporters have this habit of not going into threads where Trump has blatantly done something wrong with full evidence, but they go into threads like this where someone is calling him out on something and they ritually denounce whoever is calling Trump out.[/QUOTE] If anything isn't this more damning of her husband? After 8 years of the man who campaigned on "Hope and Change", the country has lost hope.

[QUOTE=IFawDown;51538894]What was the point of saying this?[/QUOTE] Because American politics stopped being about issues and became purely about blindly hating the other side about 1-2 years ago. The presidential debates was just mindless name calling for a reason - because that's all this election was.

[QUOTE=Zombinie;51538906]I am now a Trump supporter just for the sake of screw your toxic "us vs them" attitude.[/QUOTE] ya but his entire cabinet and congress is shaping up to be exactly that, with the freedom caucus just boldly declaring they want the prez to tear up all them liberal orders such as clean air and water or rand paul saying point blank that it doesnt matter what democrats think because they dont need'em or trumps extremely right wing cabinet who oddly all seem to think their appointed agency shouldnt exist [editline]16th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=IFawDown;51538923]If anything isn't this more damning of her husband? After 8 years of the man who campaigned on "Hope and Change", the country has lost hope.[/QUOTE] obama went out of his way to appeal to republicans and work with them when he could, they on the otherhand spent the entire 8 years voting hard against him, look at the proceedings for the ACA for example where they won quite a few concessions and had considerable input then voted 100% against it

We have plenty of hope, ma'am. We also have enough anger over the stagnation and the corruption and the lies that we are willing to accept [i]anything that isnt more of the same[/i], even if that change is in a terribad direction.

[QUOTE=MissZoey;51538873] [SP]Can't wait for the Trump supporters to show up in here.[/SP][/QUOTE] yeah, FUCK all trump supporters for voting for a candidate that [I]I[/I] don't like. there is no legitimate reason for voting trump, all of the people who voted for him are ignorant and misinformed. /s fucking hell man, this us versus them attitude is exactly why trump got elected. Trump represents the last chance that regular Americans are willing to give the republican party because they see that with the normal system, nothing is being done for them.

[QUOTE=Sableye;51538932]obama went out of his way to appeal to republicans and work with them when he could, they on the otherhand spent the entire 8 years voting hard against him, look at the proceedings for the ACA for example where they won quite a few concessions and had considerable input then voted 100% against it[/QUOTE] I don't know the intricacies of how the ACA was passed but isn't it possible to be against the big picture, even if minor details are changed in ways that appeal to you?

[QUOTE=MissZoey;51538911]Because Trump supporters have this habit of not going into threads where Trump has blatantly done something wrong with full evidence, but they go into threads like this where someone is calling him out on something and they ritually denounce whoever is calling Trump out.[/QUOTE] But this thread isn't even about Trump; it's about Michelle Obama.

[QUOTE=MissZoey;51538873]Can't wait for the Trump supporters to show up in here.[/QUOTE] When did posting stuff like this stop being called baiting/sniping?

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51539025]When did posting stuff like this stop being called baiting/sniping?[/QUOTE] It definitely should be again. I'm a damn strong Anti-Trump person but it being shoehorned into every thread is annoying as fuck. Even more annoying is the derail that follows it.

Well considering the situation for the voters (especially the Rust belt workers) that flipped to Trump were that they saw him as their only hope, I think that speaks volumes about the other side and history that got us here. [editline]16th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=MissZoey;51538873] [SP]Can't wait for the Trump supporters to show up in here.[/SP][/QUOTE] I was truly destroyed when I read what Michelle had to say.

Truthfully I had plenty of hope for the future until this election The last administration was mediocrity with hope that change could come with continued effort, the coming administration fills me with dread. Some of what he may intend to do scares me deeply. Fiddling with gay rights, rolling back right to an abortion, setting back environmentalist efforts for years, snuffing out the internet as a bastion of unbridled free speech... If Donald Trump got into power off of a fluke and got stonewalled for his presidency by a non-majority congress that'd be one thing, but he has a terrifying amount of power.

When I see her say "America" I feel like she is referring to the section of America that agrees with her. As for Trump supporters, the conventional wisdom is that all of the hope energy flowed to them, but I'm not even sure about that. The day after the elections when I went work most of the Trump supporters (ie the vast majority of my coworkers) were more anxious than anything, not sure what had just occurred and not sure what comes next. It certainly isn't the same level of hope we saw after the last populist victory in 2008. Unless Democrats run another shithouse candidate again, Trump is going to have to inspire a whole lot more people than he did this time.

As long as there's an opportunity to do the right thing, whatever it may be, there'll always be hope for America. I feel like Michelle's just worrying about how the cards are going to fall before the dealers even at the table, which is a good thing to do, given her position, but we all just need to relax and see how this whole ride winds up going. Michelle may say America lacks hope, but I don't lack hope for America, especially under the leadership of Mr. Donald J. Trump. [img]https://fi.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/emot-911.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=Simplemac3;51539080]Truthfully I had plenty of hope for the future until this election The last administration was mediocrity with hope that change could come with continued effort, the coming administration fills me with dread. Some of what he may intend to do scares me deeply. Fiddling with gay rights, rolling back right to an abortion, setting back environmentalist efforts for years, snuffing out the internet as a bastion of unbridled free speech... [B] If Donald Trump got into power off of a fluke and got stonewalled for his presidency by a non-majority congress that'd be one thing, but he has a terrifying amount of power[/B].[/QUOTE] The impression I'm getting is that the "Pence is actually calling the shots" trope is real and we are getting another 8 years of Bush style neoconservatism. The campaign is over and I have no for bashing the president elect so I keep trying to stay optimistic about his presidency but he has done very, very little to convince me otherwise. If he does manage to push his yuge infrastructure bill through a Republican congress that would be one step forward but so far I remain unconvinced.

The most incredible thing to me about this election is that essentially, everybody has lost. Democrats obviously lost hard, republicans have the oncoming political nightmare because of Trump's back-stabbing of his supporters. Everyone's going to get fucked over by the likely to pass policies and bills because of the GOP majority. There must be a [I]massive[/I] amount of cognitive dissonance among a lot of people right now, part of me at this point wants to honestly pity them for it.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;51538956]fucking hell man, this us versus them attitude is exactly why trump got elected[/QUOTE] No, it isn't. But it sure is fun to put your blinders on and blame liberals for 'being mean'. Actual reason is a lot of people find Hillary incredibly unlikable.

Why would anyone be hopeful for a presidency that has made it abuntantly clear that its primary purpose would be to dismantle as much policy set by its predecessors as possible, regardless of whether the policy is beneficial to the nation or not Why would anyone have hope when the candidate they believed would shake things up is instead stacking his cabinet with the same oil barons and bank executives and career politicians that have run the game for the last 100 years Why would anyone have hope when entire demographics of the population, with tens of millions of members, are considered non-citizens and everything short of subhuman by the people that are now in power What is there to be hopeful for? The looming recession? The ensuing restrictions to free speech? The thousands of jobs opening in coal and oil that will make a quick buck for some engineers at the expense of the wellbeing of literally everyone in the world? How about myself not being able to find a good and affordable health care plan once ACA is gutted with no replacement? How about the potential for my retirement age being raised and any massive cuts to welfare that I may need if I am injured? There is nothing good that can possibly come from this presidency. Nothing. The only thing I can hope for is that everyone realizes that they don't matter to the ones in charge. Maybe then we can elect a real human being to office instead of rich sociopaths that have never held a conversation with the people they claim to work for.

[QUOTE=Zombinie;51538906]I am now a Trump supporter just for the sake of screw your toxic "us vs them" attitude.[/QUOTE] I don't support Trump but I despise the attitude you're talking about. And it does in fact make me root for Trump sometimes, on facepunch anyway.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;51538956]yeah, FUCK all trump supporters for voting for a candidate that [I]I[/I] don't like. there is no legitimate reason for voting trump, all of the people who voted for him are ignorant and misinformed. /s [B]fucking hell man, this us versus them attitude is exactly why trump got elected.[/B] Trump represents the last chance that regular Americans are willing to give the republican party because they see that with the normal system, nothing is being done for them.[/QUOTE] Wow this narrative is still clinging to life. Regular Americans overwhelmingly went with the Democratic candidate too.

[QUOTE=Super Muffin;51539164]No, it isn't. But it sure is fun to put your blinders on and blame liberals for 'being mean'. Actual reason is a lot of people find Hillary incredibly unlikable.[/QUOTE] Both sides have this problem, not just the liberals. Go to /r/the_donald to see the same thing. People found clinton unlikable but that doesn't explain how Trump got the nomination in the first place.

The reason Trump got elected is not because of us vs them, it is in-spite of it actually. It was because Clinton ran a terrible campaign. Nobody moved from one side to the other. People just didn't go out and vote.

[QUOTE=Cureless;51539104]As long as there's an opportunity to do the right thing, whatever it may be, there'll always be hope for America. I feel like Michelle's just worrying about how the cards are going to fall before the dealers even at the table, which is a good thing to do, given her position, but we all just need to relax and see how this whole ride winds up going. Michelle may say America lacks hope, but I don't lack hope for America, especially under the leadership of Mr. Donald J. Trump. [img]https://fi.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/emot-911.gif[/img][/QUOTE] The dealer might not be at the table, but I saw the short bus he came in on.