Pope Francis says ‘Arab invasion’ is social fact ... and a good thing - Polidicks

[quote]Europe is facing an ‘Arab invasion’, Pope Francis mused while addressing a French Christian group, adding that the trend is actually a positive one. “We can speak today of Arab invasion. It is a social fact,” the pontiff said, according to extracts from his address earlier this week which were published by the Vatican newspaper L’Osservatore Romano on Thursday. He then added: “How many invasions has Europe experienced in the course of its history! But it’s always been able to overcome them and move forward, finding itself complimented and improved by the cultural exchange they brought about.” The Pontiff also reflected on the history of migration into Europe and the positive impact it has had on European culture as we now know it. The Pope also declared that Europe is “the only continent that can bring some unity to the world”. He then added, that in order to fulfill its “universal role”, Europe must “rediscover its cultural roots”.[/quote] [url]https://www.rt.com/news/334590-pope-francis-arab-invasion/[/url] [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476959/The-Pope-says-social-fact-Europe-seeing-Arab-invasion.html[/url] [url]http://www.dw.com/en/pope-we-can-speak-of-an-arab-invasion-of-europe/a-19095285[/url] Not many stories on this, it's no news about the pope supporting and advocating for islamic refugees flooding europe, what the pope is saying is that the islamic jihad from 620ad onwards, subjucation and destruction against europe\christianity made us better people due to culture exchanges, that's similar to a white person telling africans slavery was good for their people because you got educated and adopted western culture

A South American saying that Europe is the only continent which can unite the world? [sp]Okay, admittedly he's coming from a continent which primarily speaks two European languages, but still...[/sp]

Glad to see the modern day Catholic Church welcoming fellow Muslims into Europe when contrasted to the bloody times of the Crusades.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;49871771]Glad to see the modern day Catholic Church welcoming fellow Muslims into Europe when contrasted to the bloody times of the Crusades.[/QUOTE] As opposed to the Ottoman Invasions?

[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;49871753][url]https://www.rt.com/news/334590-pope-francis-arab-invasion/[/url] [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476959/The-Pope-says-social-fact-Europe-seeing-Arab-invasion.html[/url] [url]http://www.dw.com/en/pope-we-can-speak-of-an-arab-invasion-of-europe/a-19095285[/url] Not many stories on this, it's no news about the pope supporting and advocating for islamic refugees flooding europe, what the pope is saying is that the islamic jihad from 620ad onwards, subjucation and destruction against europe\christianity made us better people due to culture exchanges, that's similar to a white person telling africans slavery was good for their people because you got educated and adopted western culture[/QUOTE] I get you it's quite weird for pope to say but dailymail and rt? Those two aren't reliable you know. [editline]5th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Tarver;49871775]As opposed to the Ottoman Invasions?[/QUOTE] People tend to forget that Crusades were just an reaction to Muslim invasions.

who could have imagined the supposedly man appointed by god on earth is a delusional dumbfuck the best cultural exchange of them all would be to move the pope to the middle east

[QUOTE=Kentz;49871821]who could have imagined the supposedly man appointed by god on earth is a delusional dumbfuck the best cultural exchange of them all would be to move the pope to the middle east[/QUOTE] I don't blame you for sounding retarded. Your tiny perspective is understandable. Just imagine a more unified world 100 years from now, and hope for the best. People have been invading people since humanity began and culture has been constantly changing. And I'm sure they've bitched through every second or it, this is just another one of those times. Get loud when things get violent, and so far the violence between culture has been very much one sided.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;49871771]Glad to see the modern day Catholic Church welcoming fellow Muslims into Europe when contrasted to the bloody times of the Crusades.[/QUOTE] The Crusades were a defensive response to the Islamic jihad offensive in Europe\holy sites, hardly the same comparison when the Islamic jihad was the instigator for the crusades to take place. [editline]5th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Faunze;49871861]I don't blame you for sounding retarded. Your tiny perspective is understandable. Just imagine a more unified world 100 years from now, and hope for the best. People have been invading people since humanity began and culture has been constantly changing. And I'm sure they've bitched through every second or it, this is just another one of those times. Get loud when things get violent, and so far the violence between culture has been very much one sided.[/QUOTE] The west has been moving away from religion for humanist ideas, The world being Unified under judo-religions is a step backwards for humanity, especially from a religion such as islam which is completely opposed to said humanist concepts of atheism e.g. liberty, equal rights etc.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;49871905]DW is valid afaik. BTW crusades were mainly a conquest ambition, since they targeted the Holy Land which was conquered like 400 years ago. Quite a late reaction tbh. I mean, they kinda skipped through Anatolia just for the sake of it, if aim was re-conquest theyd first retake anatolia.[/QUOTE] Here's a video to help educate yourself of Jihad vs Crusades. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo[/media]

[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;49871862]The Crusades were a defensive response to the Islamic jihad offensive in Europe\holy sites, hardly the same comparison when the Islamic jihad was the instigator for the crusades to take place. [editline]5th March 2016[/editline] The west has been moving away from religion for humanist ideas, The world being Unified under judo-religions is a step backwards for humanity, especially from a religion such as islam which is completely opposed to said humanist concepts of atheism e.g. liberty, equal rights etc.[/QUOTE] So are you saying only atheism supports liberty and civil rights? Or are you refering to secularism? Because simply implying that religion is against civil rights and liberty is dead wrong [editline]5th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Trebgarta;49871905]DW is valid afaik. BTW crusades were mainly a conquest ambition, since they targeted the Holy Land which was conquered like 400 years ago. Quite a late reaction tbh. I mean, they kinda skipped through Anatolia just for the sake of it, if aim was re-conquest theyd first retake anatolia.[/QUOTE] They did first retake parts of anatolia. See 1st Crusade

[quote]He then added: “How many invasions has Europe experienced in the course of its history! But it’s always been able to overcome them and move forward, finding itself complimented and improved by the cultural exchange they brought about.”[/quote] I really don't see anything controversial about this statement.

[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;49871753][url]https://www.rt.com/news/334590-pope-francis-arab-invasion/[/url] [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476959/The-Pope-says-social-fact-Europe-seeing-Arab-invasion.html[/url] [url]http://www.dw.com/en/pope-we-can-speak-of-an-arab-invasion-of-europe/a-19095285[/url] Not many stories on this, it's no news about the pope supporting and advocating for islamic refugees flooding europe, what the pope is saying is that the islamic jihad from 620ad onwards, subjucation and destruction against europe\christianity made us better people due to culture exchanges, that's similar to a white person telling africans slavery was good for their people because you got educated and adopted western culture[/QUOTE] Arabs =/= Muslims Talk of natural ethnic migration and shared cultural development over centuries upon centuries =/= Condoning historical Muslim Jihad Perhaps before telling people to educate themselves on history you should educate yourself on how to read and interpret simple texts and words

All you guys talking about Jihad, the literal meaning of that word is the preservation of Islam, not its expansion. That's a misdefinition that I guess came from Islamic terrorists talking about jihad on the west, but even then it was only because they felt that Islam was under threat. The Islamic Empire (which was as much about what Islam is today as the Roman Catholic empire was about what Christianity is today) was an expansionist medieval empire. [editline]5th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Dr.Critic;49872075]Arabs =/= Muslims Talk of natural ethnic migration and shared cultural development over centuries upon centuries =/= Condoning historical Muslim Jihad Perhaps before telling people to educate themselves on history you should educate yourself on how to read and interpret simple texts and words[/QUOTE] Also, the expansionist Medieval Islamic Empire =/= Islam

[QUOTE=Faunze;49871861]I don't blame you for sounding retarded. Your tiny perspective is understandable. Just imagine a more unified world 100 years from now, and hope for the best. People have been invading people since humanity began and culture has been constantly changing. And I'm sure they've bitched through every second or it, this is just another one of those times. Get loud when things get violent, and so far the violence between culture has been very much one sided.[/QUOTE] I hope you realize how "hollier than thou" you sound right now lmao

[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;49871862]The west has been moving away from religion for humanist ideas, The world being Unified under judo-religions is a step backwards for humanity, especially from a religion such as islam which is completely opposed to said humanist concepts of atheism e.g. liberty, equal rights etc.[/QUOTE] That's a very strange thing to say considering that western civilization wouldn't have existed without the Catholic Church. Even if you are an atheist and hate it, you have to recognize that Europe as the form in which everybody recognises it, wouldn't have come into existence.

a thread about islam on facepunch sure this wont be a shit show