DNC whitewashes supporters at Clinton's Nomination Speech
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[quote]A tightly organized hierarchy of delegates, floor “whips,” floor captains, and regional coordinators honed a system unseen by viewers at home to counter hecklers in real-time and intercept rumored protests, aided in secret by allies in the ranks of agitated Bernie Sanders delegates.
The whip operation relied on the same strict preparation and careful execution that Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook has made his trademark, according to details provided by two operatives involved, including a state floor captain.
Each state’s floor captains briefed their delegates on what to do in the event of near every possible protest. Aides stashed banners under chairs across the arena in case Bernie-or-Bust delegates needed to be blocked and distributed signs repeatedly throughout the course of each night, overtaking anti-Clinton posters and t-shirts.
[B]“None of it was intimidation or muscular or silencing. It was all just preparation,” the floor captain said. “You’re gonna chant? We’re gonna chant louder. You’re gonna have a banner. We’re gonna have a bigger banner.” A lone heckler? “We had them surrounded.”[/B][/quote]
None of this is illegal but its still scummy as fuck.
Source:
[url]https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/why-america-couldnt-hear-or-see-bernie-protesters-during-hil?utm_term=.rakJoevz0#.vrJjgYJKy[/url]
So what...? How dare they not want a bunch of people to sabotage their convention, fucking DNC so evil
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50801960]So what...? How dare they not want a bunch of people to sabotage their convention, fucking DNC so evil[/QUOTE]
They are ignoring a substantial portion of their party, pretending they don't exist, it's no wonder they feel disenfranchised if they are covered up like this. They like to pretend that the will of all individuals of their party is unanimous, a party that wants to cover its ears and pretend nothings wrong even when its splitting apart.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50801960]So what...? How dare they not want a bunch of people to sabotage their convention, fucking DNC so evil[/QUOTE]
it means they know that people are upset at what is going on and that they are trying to hide it instead of actually solving it or even acknowledging it
[QUOTE=da space core;50801971]it means they know that people are upset at what is going on and that they are trying to hide it instead of actually solving it or even acknowledging it[/QUOTE]
How do you suggest they placate these 'Bernie or bust'ers. There is nothing they can say or do to make them happy. A waste of time and quite frankly embarrassing every time they opened their mouths because they have no concept of politics and winning and as such set out actively to sabotage the DNC in their tantrum, the worst of all being during the Gen. Allen speech.
It looks to me like two groups of people who really wanted to be heard took measures to make sure they were heard, it's just that unsurprisingly the majority won.
Why should Clinton supporters (whom were like 85% of the people at the DNC) unilaterally disarm?
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50802009]It looks to me like two groups of people who really wanted to be heard took measures to make sure they were heard, it's just that unsurprisingly the majority won.
Why should Clinton supporters (whom were like 85% of the people at the DNC) unilaterally disarm?[/QUOTE]
Because they already won the nomination, this might just be a petty jab at the loosing candidates supporter base, but the implications and precedents that these kind of tactics set, that its ok to do whatever you want as long as you can convince the populace that its a great idea through any means necessary, using social media and manipulation to convince the public that they are making the decision themselves instead of it already being a pre determined choice, its harrowing.
[QUOTE=shad0w440;50802063]Because they already won the nomination, this is just a petty jab at the loosing candidates supporter base.[/QUOTE]
At the candidates supporter base actively trying to sabotage their candidate and their convention
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50802068]At the candidates supporter base actively trying to sabotage their candidate and their convention[/QUOTE]
Where in the article did it say that protesters were actively trying to prevent the nomination from happening? Do you think that a bunch of Bernie supporters chanting would convince the DNC to go "well shit I guess we better nominate Bernie instead"?
Unless there was a group of people looking to storm the stage to prevent her from accepting the nomination (in which case its no longer a protest, its a riot) which no amount of cheering or big banners would prevent. I don't see how just holding signs and voicing discontent is "sabotage".
[QUOTE=shad0w440;50802113]Where in the article did it say that protesters were actively trying to prevent the nomination from happening? Do you think that a bunch of Bernie supporters chanting would convince the DNC to go "well shit I guess we better nominate Bernie instead"?
Unless there was a group of people looking to storm the stage to prevent her from accepting the nomination (in which case its no longer a protest, its a riot) which no amount of cheering or big banners would prevent. I don't see how just holding signs and voicing discontent is "sabotage".[/QUOTE]
The convention is more than the nomination.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50802123]The convention is more than the nomination.[/QUOTE]
I'm still confused on exactly what you mean by sabotage, unless the protesters are actively blocking and preventing shit from getting done in which case the police or secret service should intervene, its not a job for Hillary's campaign to deal with saboteurs, the DNC could just straight up kick them out.
[QUOTE=shad0w440;50801966]They are ignoring a substantial portion of their party, pretending they don't exist, it's no wonder they feel disenfranchised if they are covered up like this. They like to pretend that the will of all individuals of their party is unanimous, a party that wants to cover its ears and pretend nothings wrong even when its splitting apart.[/QUOTE]
bernie lost, so its either bernie or dont vote at that point
[QUOTE=Sableye;50802246]bernie lost, so its either bernie or dont vote at that point[/QUOTE]
"Well shit my candidate lost, guess there's no point in voting now."
Because refusing to vote is a great way to protest against things you don't like[sp]Brexit[/sp].
It's been said before, if you don't vote you have no right to complain about the outcome. I'm voting green, I don't care if its a "throwaway" vote, I voted for who I thought was best that's all that matters, if more people would look at what options are available and not just cling to the two that are "most likely" to win because the media is telling us they are even though the primaries haven't even started yet. We wouldn't be between a rock and a hard place right now.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50801960]So what...? How dare they not want a bunch of people to sabotage their convention, fucking DNC so evil[/QUOTE]
They literally stole the nomination and then worked aggressively to silence any objection or protest. Are you really incapable of seeing how this might be viewed negatively by some (read: any reasonable person)?
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50801960]So what...? How dare they not want a bunch of people to sabotage their convention, fucking DNC so evil[/QUOTE]
You must have missed all the outrage when the same thing happened to Code Pink protesters at the RNC a week and a half ago.
[QUOTE=shad0w440;50802063]Because they already won the nomination, this might just be a petty jab at the loosing candidates supporter base, but the implications and precedents that these kind of tactics set, that its ok to do whatever you want as long as you can convince the populace that its a great idea through any means necessary, using social media and manipulation to convince the public that they are making the decision themselves instead of it already being a pre determined choice, its harrowing.[/QUOTE]
The general election is just 3 months away but fuck party unity at this crucial time, right? Fueling the divisions in the party is good so at least they can lose the election with a clean conscious :downs:
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50801982]How do you suggest they placate these 'Bernie or bust'ers.[/QUOTE]
They could acknowledge that they rigged the primary and make amends, they could give them an opportunity to speak, hell, they could give Bernie a position on Hillary's ticket if they felt it necessary.
Like, they're not even [I]attempting[/I] to placate people who, rightly or wrongly, feel like they were betrayed by the party. Even if you think their expectations are unreasonable and the DNC did nothing wrong, they're not going to be placated by being told to shut up and just accept Hillary as their lord and savior. And responding to their protests by trying to silence them certainly isn't going to fix the problem.
I mean, if the DNC doesn't want to compromise in favor of actual party unity, and thinks they can win without those votes, then that's their prerogative. But I'm getting pretty sick of hearing 'if Trump wins it's your fault for not voting for the lesser evil' coming from the party that is making no attempt to actually [I]earn[/I] those votes and simply expects them as a default.
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