[video=youtube;9NjM1Lax0cM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NjM1Lax0cM[/video]
Race is stupid and don't assume stuff about people because of their race. Being a liberal, doesn't give someone an excuse to defy that. Racism goes both ways.
Really awesome video, this is one of the biggest problems on the left and the behavior he describes should be identified more often as counter intuitive and racist when it is to discount opinions.
This kind of behaviour is very common among many different political groups and it's one of the reasons I don't think an arbitrary political spectrum can really encapsulate the range of human thought that exists. It's very easy for people to rationalize believing one thing and doing the opposite and sometimes when you get down into it you find out that a person actually doesn't believe in anything at all save for what makes them feel good about themselves.
The problem is that political views and morality in general are so subjective and flexible because they haven't been standardized to the same degree as scientific thought (and probably won't ever be, because they aren't based on things we can empirically identify in the world) that people can make up their own definitions for words and therefore argue that they are helping people when there are really hurting them because in their mind/reality they are helping.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51995814]Really awesome video, this is one of the biggest problems on the left and the behavior he describes should be identified more often as counter intuitive and racist when it is to discount opinions.[/QUOTE]
God damn it Tudd
This video is essentially meaningless because everyone can be fucking racist, regardless of where they are on the political spectrum.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51997160]This video is essentially meaningless because everyone can be fucking racist, regardless of where they are on the political spectrum.[/QUOTE]
I think that's the point, not just right-wingers can be racist.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51995814]Really awesome video, this is one of the biggest problems on the left and the behavior he describes should be identified more often as counter intuitive and racist when it is to discount opinions.[/QUOTE]
Are you sure you're not just hearing what you want to hear?
[QUOTE=chemo;51997175]I think that's the point, not just right-wingers can be racist.[/QUOTE]
not just fish can be wet
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51997160]This video is essentially meaningless because everyone can be fucking racist, regardless of where they are on the political spectrum.[/QUOTE]
It's also meaningless because if you ever critique anyone on this forum for saying something that sounds racist, they pull the "now you're just saying 'NUH UH UR RACIST'". And the discussion goes nowhere besides name-calling.
[QUOTE=Tetsmega;51997730]It's also meaningless because if you ever critique anyone on this forum for saying something that sounds racist, they pull the "now you're just saying 'NUH UH UR RACIST'". And the discussion goes nowhere besides name-calling.[/QUOTE]
More likely it seems when people percieve an imaginary threat and start defending themselves against a non existant poster calling them racist.
[QUOTE=Funion;51997398]not just fish can be wet[/QUOTE]
People who go around claiming to be anti-racists don't get immunity for being racists themselves. Sometimes, it's good to be reminded of that.
[QUOTE=Funion;51997398]not just fish can be wet[/QUOTE]
Every single right-wing person is racist? Wow, real brave
[QUOTE=Funion;51997398]not just fish can be wet[/QUOTE]
And the only fishes that aren't wet are the ones that are dead.
[QUOTE=Cabbage;51997858]Every single right-wing person is racist? Wow, real brave[/QUOTE]
not just dicks can get wet
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[QUOTE=Cabbage;51997858]Every single right-wing person is racist? Wow, real brave[/QUOTE]
The left-wing circle jerk is getting easier to feel on FP these days.
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51997888]The left-wing circle jerk is getting easier to feel on FP these days.[/QUOTE]
with handful of right-wingers who like to give each other vigorous blowjobs.
The problem that I have seen more often than not in recent years, is that for some people on the left, or 'progressives', or SJWs; in their efforts to fight bigotry, prejudice and racism, they become that which they fight against, but they see it as justified. For instance, if someone criticized Black Lives Matter for the destructive behavior of some of its attendants, they would get accused of being a racist or if the person criticizing happened to be black themselves, they were accused of being a 'coon' or 'house nigger' trying to impress 'massah' (by other blacks, that is). Some even go so far as to say they CAN'T be racist because of the RACE + POWER = RACISM narrative, which is absolutely false.
These same people are often the ones who assume "YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY UNDERSTAND" because you're privileged by being male, heterosexual, or white. Whatever perspective on the matter you may offer is completely ignored based on their own prejudice (because according to them you're incapable of empathizing, or cannot possibly have had any encounter with some form of hatred or hardship). These arguments can be seen with just about everything these days: race, sexuality, immigration, religion, political affiliation. It really just comes down to what the guy said in the video: you can't invalidate someone's opinion. We have to be willing to look at the flaws in ourselves as well as others. We have to be able to look at what either side is doing right and what they are doing wrong. Communication, compromise, objectivity; these are the things that some people on both sides are lacking and often resort to knee-jerk emotional responses instead.
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51997888]The left-wing circle jerk is getting easier to feel on FP these days.[/QUOTE]
whatever you do don't address that it was a [sp]joke[/sp]
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51997888]The left-wing circle jerk is getting easier to feel on FP these days.[/QUOTE]
dang lets blow this left wing circlejerk and go to my right wing safe space
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;51998042]dang lets blow this left wing circlejerk and go to my right wing safe space[/QUOTE]
I'm not even right-wing. Defending a group doesn't make you that group.
Calling all right wingers racist is like calling all left wingers communists.
Hoooh yeah I'm wankin off to THIS!
The prejudice+power definition of racism and people who follow it tend to be racist, i find. Because they have a free pass to be racist to anyone they vaguely perceive as "with power", they usually target white people, men, any big groups they can generalize without any regard to individual lot in life. Some of individuals would scream at a white homeless druggie for "wasting" his white privilege and praise the black businessman who kicks some dirt in his direction and keeps on walking, and why wouldnt they, if your logic is based on a foundation of "racism is only prejudice plus power" the rest of that fucked up shit is a logical extension.
Also quite a few people on this forum follow that definition, though not to it's logical extremes.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;51998310]How about the right wing fixes this reputation by not being so tolerant of racism, and outright using racism as a means of getting things they want? Maybe then they can progress to not supporting policy that has racist effects and then those poor oppressed right wingers can find it in their battered achy breaky hearts to do the same for LGBT people, women and muslims etc and the fucking planet?[/QUOTE]
"the left should try and fix their reputation after all those decades of Marxist-Leninist dictatorships."
People are complex and nuanced and will never agree on everything, that being said a majority of people are close to the centre, or, not extreme.
I'm friends with some people on the right who have no issues with Muslims, gays or any other marginalized group of people and do not deny climate change among other things and are against the the far right or anything else too far off centre that preaches intolerance. It almost sounds as if you rarely have contact with a wide array of people with differing viewpoints.
How about we just make an effort to not identify on the left-right political spectrum but rather take our independent stances.
just keeps coming back to this battle of the extremes which seems to be fueled by the way both mainstream media and social media tend to act and report on these issues
yes, that loud mouthed idiot at the occupy wallstreet protest needs to realise they were being racist by discrediting white people's opinions, but that doesn't reflect on an entire group as a whole, just as not every right winger is an ultra conservative christian white nationalist
the only difference between the extreme right and extreme left however is that one of them is currently legitimised by a us president who shares or at least panders to their beliefs...
The difference between a right-wing racist and a left-wing racist is, the right-wing one when called a racist will shrug it off and tell you "yeah?" and the left-wing one will tell you "no I can't possibly be a racist, I'm not purely white, and racism is prejudice+power so fuck you and all white people".
And while the right-wing racism is more vile and sinister the left-wing racism is allowed in the media and public discourse in general it's also less obvious, and those things make it easier to spread.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;51999358]The difference between a right-wing racist and a left-wing racist is, the right-wing one when called a racist will shrug it off and tell you "yeah?" and the left-wing one will tell you "no I can't possibly be a racist, I'm not purely white, and racism is prejudice+power so fuck you and all white people".
And while the right-wing racism is more vile and sinister the left-wing racism is allowed in the media and public discourse in general it's also less obvious, and those things make it easier to spread.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't seem very representative of right-wing racism, most of the time they'll go the "I'm not racist but" or "can't be racist, have black friends" route.
He makes a very good point. However I don't respect him much after seeing his disingenuous 'swedish no go zone' video.
[QUOTE=Talishmar;52000160]He makes a very good point. However I don't respect him much after seeing his disingenuous 'swedish no go zone' video.[/QUOTE]
He wasn't being disingenuous, he basically proved that no go zones doesn't exist and that the American far-right overhyped it.
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