Koch Brothers want to rewrite the constitution, they may succeed.
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[URL="http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/koch-brothers-want-new-constitution-theyre-closer-you-think-2552039"]http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/koch-brothers-want-new-constitution-theyre-closer-you-think-2552039[/URL]
[Quote]The Wisconsin Assembly votes Wednesday on whether to call for a convention to change the U.S. Constitution. While that in itself is surprising — the American people have never exercised their legally enshrined right to convene a new Constitutional convention — what’s more surprising is that pro-business groups with ties to the Koch brothers have pushed for similar legislation in more than 30 states, and they’ve been remarkably successful: A dozen states have passed bills calling for a convention that would produce an altered Constitution that would likely limit federal spending and power.
According to Article V of the Constitution, just two thirds (34) of the 50 state legislatures need to call for a convention for the purposes of “proposing constitutional amendments” (no governor’s signature is required). Those amendments would then need to be ratified by three quarters of the states, currently 38, to become law. But beyond those very basic requirements, nobody knows what the rules for a convention would be, since one hasn’t occurred since the original in 1787. That single instance, Constitutional law experts warn, provides a harrowing precedent: Delegates tore up the Articles of Confederation they had convened to improve, and produced a whole new governing document.
The Wisconsin legislation, which is supported by Gov. Scott Walker, was introduced by Republican Sen. Chris Kapenga, who introduced similar legislation in January 2014 as a member of the Assembly. His bill would call a convention to pass constitutional amendments that would require the federal government to balance the budget, something that Congress will simply never do on its own, Kapenga told International Business Times.
“For the country to continue spending at this rate, where revenues are exceeding expenditures consistently, is not sustainable,” Kapenga said. “Whether it’s Democrats or Republicans in charge in Washington, it’s not getting fixed, and no solutions are being proposed to deal with it...I think this is the only option left.”[/Quote]
I think we should change the constitution
[QUOTE=proboardslol;52371247]I think we should change the constitution[/QUOTE]
Explain please?
So these amendments wouldn't be in favour of the people, but the megacorporations and their pet politicians who already treat the American people like so much cattle. Nice.
So what is this, exactly? Make America Russia Again?
Literally the corporatist nightmare I've been expecting since I was a kid
[QUOTE=archangel125;52371274]So these amendments wouldn't be in favour of the people, but the megacorporations and their pet politicians who already treat the American people like so much cattle. Nice.[/QUOTE]
And if they succeed, then they must be executed as an example to the others. Tear them to shreds like they would do to the constitution.
[QUOTE]A dozen states have passed bills calling for a convention that would produce an altered Constitution that would likely limit federal spending and power.[/QUOTE]
No. Fuck off. Seriously, get the fuck out with your bullshit.
The US already has deep problems with politicians being bought and effectively owned by megacorporations. If this passes into law, then America would truly, by all definitions, become an oligarchy - even a plutocracy, depending on the exact circumstances.
Yeeeeeah this sounds like a real bad idea disguised as a "good" idea to anyone who isn't gonna read very far into it.
Spooky stuff.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52371277]Literally the corporatist nightmare I've been expecting since I was a kid[/QUOTE]
Cyberpunk dystopia here we come
What a time we live in when corporations have the power to try and rewrite the constitution.
I bet they will try and slip "only Republicans can hold office" somewhere in there.
I like the constitution just the way it is now, thank you very much.
And I will defend it if necessary. Screw this proposal.
I'd love to see them old fucks try. If they even TRY to touch the Bill of Rights or the balance of powers they will feel the full force of the American people's fury.
[QUOTE=Judas;52371310]Cyberpunk dystopia here we come[/QUOTE]
It's like shadowrun minus the cool shit.
Gee, that doesn't sound like a recipe for a corporate dystopia or anything
Totally doesn't sound like it could be used to give corporate interests even [I]more[/I] power in the United States government and I'm sure even if it did they would [I]never[/I] abuse that power
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[quote] Koch Brothers want to rewrite the constitution, they may succeed. [/quote]
such a bait title. it's virtually impossible for them to actually do so.
If the Koch brothers aren't careful, they're going to find out what happens when you push an angry mob of a few hundred million people to their limits.
When people have nothing to eat, they'll eat the rich.
Can't these old coots just die already?
[QUOTE=Pascall;52371305]Yeeeeeah this sounds like a real bad idea disguised as a "good" idea to anyone who isn't gonna read very far into it.
Spooky stuff.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pascall;52371305]a "good" idea to anyone who isn't gonna read very far into it.[/QUOTE]
so the vast majority of the voting population
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52371390]such a bait title. it's virtually impossible for them to actually do so.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't seem to be so. The title may be "bait", but the parts about what's required for it certainly aren't and it's really not that farfetched.
I wouldn't trust Raw Story as far as I can throw them.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52371390]such a bait title. it's virtually impossible for them to actually do so.[/QUOTE]
why do you think so?
[editline]17th June 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;52371417]I wouldn't trust Raw Story as far as I can throw them.[/QUOTE]
This was posted initially in the IBtimes.
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i would take this with a pinch of salt and find a better source
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i would take this with a pinch of salt and find a better source[/QUOTE]
It's a sad time when we have to check the leanings of every source, imo.
We really do live in a era of info wars.
[QUOTE=benzinxrm;52371371]It's like shadowrun minus the cool shit.[/QUOTE]
I was supposed to suddenly transform as magic floods the world, becoming a sickass troll or other mutant creature.
[QUOTE=ironman17;52371279]And if they succeed, then they must be executed as an example to the others. Tear them to shreds like they would do to the constitution.[/QUOTE]
I love the 2nd amendment.
The united states and most of the world is experiencing late stage capitalism and this kind of thing is inevitable.
[QUOTE=Judas;52371310]Cyberpunk dystopia here we come[/QUOTE]
Problem is, It's already happened twice realistically in the 1990s and 2000s, without realizing it.
I do think this time will be blends of (Post)Cyberpunk semi-dystopia with Biopunk and Solarpunk elements.
And I was aware of it because I read this from Pre-trash The Verge article months ago.
[URL="https://www.theverge.com/2017/2/3/14488200/donald-trump-cyberpunk-future-backlash"]https://www.theverge.com/2017/2/3/14488200/donald-trump-cyberpunk-future-backlash[/URL]
[QUOTE=mcharest;52371270]Explain please?[/QUOTE]
So that sovereign citizens can stop referring to it. :eng101s:
[QUOTE=joshuadim;52371355]I'd love to see them old fucks try. If they even TRY to touch the Bill of Rights or the balance of powers they will feel the full force of the American people's fury.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52371401]If the Koch brothers aren't careful, they're going to find out what happens when you push an angry mob of a few hundred million people to their limits.
When people have nothing to eat, they'll eat the rich.[/QUOTE]
Will they really? We've set up all of the circumstances for this to happen, and haven't really made a dent in any of it. I've been to half a dozen protests since the election, and while I won't be cynical and say we should stop trying, it's clear that listening to the 99% is (and has always been) a [i]courtesy[/i], one that isn't being given anymore. Whether it's by the government or corporations, we can write millions of angry emails and smash their windows, but as long as we rely on them, there's not much we can do. Short of violent conflict at least, which is something we'd lose. Americans might talk about guns and numbers, but power is something else.
On the bright side, I doubt these changes to the constitution would immediately mean we'd be losing liberties and rights. For now, I'm guessing it's solely about making them more money. The problem comes when corporations have a firm enough grasp on law that they can start changing anything they want. All it takes is one amendment for that snowball to start.
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