[url]http://esciencenews.com/articles/2010/11/30/legalizing.child.pornography.linked.lower.rates.child.sex.abuse[/url]
[QUOTE] Could making child pornography legal lead to lower rates of child sex abuse? It could well do, according to a new study by Milton Diamond, from the University of Hawaii, and colleagues. Results from the Czech Republic showed, as seen everywhere else studied (Canada, Croatia, Denmark, Germany, Finland, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Sweden, USA), that rape and other sex crimes have not increased following the legalization and wide availability of pornography. And most significantly, the incidence of child sex abuse has fallen considerably since 1989, when child pornography became readily accessible – a phenomenon also seen in Denmark and Japan. Their findings are published online today in Springer's journal Archives of Sexual Behavior.
The findings support the theory that potential sexual offenders use child pornography as a substitute for sex crimes against children. While the authors do not approve of the use of real children in the production or distribution of child pornography, they say that artificially produced materials might serve a purpose.
Diamond and team looked at what actually happened to sex-related crimes in the Czech Republic as it transitioned from having a strict ban on sexually explicit materials to a situation where the material was decriminalized. Pornography was strictly prohibited between 1948 and 1989. The ban was lifted with the country's transition to democracy and, by 1990, the availability and ownership of sexually explicit materials rose dramatically. Even the possession of child pornography was not a criminal offense.
The researchers monitored the number of sex-related crimes from Ministry of Interior records – rape, attempted rape, sexual assault, and child sex abuse in particular – for 15 years during the ban and 18 years after it was lifted.
Most significantly, they found that the number of reported cases of child sex abuse dropped markedly immediately after the ban on sexually explicit materials was lifted in 1989. In both Denmark and Japan, the situation is similar: Child sex abuse was much lower than it was when availability of child pornography was restricted.
Other results showed that, overall, there was no increase in reported sex-related crimes generally since the legalization of pornography. Interestingly, whereas the number of sex-related crimes fell significantly after 1989, the number of other societal crimes – murder, assault, and robbery – rose significantly. [/QUOTE]
Not surprising considering studies have shown similar results for regular porn.
[quote]child pornography became readily accessible – a phenomenon also seen in Denmark and [B]Japan[/B]. [/quote]
Should I even be suprised? :v:
Well no shit, it's like violent video games. They prevent these things, not cause them.
Just to make things clear, this isn't with real child porn. It's with "artificial" child porn, like lolicon.
[QUOTE=butters757;34666933]Just to make things clear, this isn't with real child porn. It's with "artificial" child porn, like lolicon.[/QUOTE]
"artificial" child porn, like lolicon, is already legal. Except in UK, afaik.
[quote]child pornography became readily accessible – a phenomenon also seen in Denmark and Japan.[/quote]
What, I always thought it was illegal here in Denmark. Or are they still talking about the 'artificial' thing? It's a bit vague.
Duh, that's like saying legalizing murder lowers violent crimes.
Unless they mean the drawn/artificial stuff, which is still a big 'duh'. If pedophiles have an outlet for their urges and it doesn't harm anyone, keep it legal.
EDIT: How is this dumb? As fucking weird as lolicon is in most people's eyes, it harms nobody.
If you disagree, please PM me. I'd like to hear you out.
EDIT: No, really. I want to hear where I'm apparently going wrong with my opinion.
EDIT:I've still yet to get a single message about the matter. Please, convince me why I'm wrong instead of just calling me an idiot. That's hardly a way to change someone.
But...but...this is still just so [I]wrong.[/I] :tizzy:
[QUOTE=Tacosheller;34667148]Duh, that's like saying legalizing murder lowers violent crimes.[/QUOTE]
It's nothing like that.
But not sure if i would support this, it's still wrong.
[QUOTE=Str4fe;34667036]"artificial" child porn, like lolicon, is already legal. Except in UK, afaik.[/QUOTE]
If the art in question is based on nearby children I think it is considered illegal.
If legalizing real child porn reduces the number of times children are abused, how is that not a good thing?
Hell, if we can work toward only having soft porn of children, and still satisfy all the pedos out there, that would be great if you ask me. Banning something only creates a desire, so i am for regulating.
You obviously can argue that children will be forced to pose naked, but how does that even compare against children getting raped? It doesn't.
yeah my brother every wanted to watch some kids beig f*cked by others guys in movies and he still hope that will be real...my family is sick
That doesn't make any sense. Why would even the most twisted mind ever think, "Gee, I sure don't want to get risk getting caught looking at illegal porn, I guess I'll have to just molest someone instead." Why would anyone fucked up enough to go out and molest someone be bothered by child pornography laws?
[QUOTE=sami-pso;34667413]If legalizing real child porn reduces the number of times children are abused, how is that not a good thing?
Hell, if we can work toward only having soft porn of children, and still satisfy all the pedos out there, that would be great if you ask me. Banning something only creates a desire, so i am for regulating.
You obviously can argue that children will be forced to pose naked, but how does that even compare against children getting raped? It doesn't.[/QUOTE]
i don't think they're very willing to let the child pose for soft core porn.
Yeah but the CP has to be made somehow, and all CP is basically child molestation so it's just a vicious circle.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;34667489]That doesn't make any sense. Why would even the most twisted mined ever think, "Gee, I sure don't want to get risk getting caught looking at illegal porn, I guess I'll have to just molest someone instead." Why would anyone fucked up enough to go out and molest someone be bothered by child pornography laws?[/QUOTE]
Not every pedophile is a computer magician who can find child porn. They're regular people.
[QUOTE=NorthernFall;34667518]Yeah but the CP has to be made somehow, and all CP is basically child molestation so it's just a vicious circle.[/QUOTE]
As long as child molestation is illegal, producing child porn is illegal. Owning material that has already been produced doesn't harm anyone.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;34667489]That doesn't make any sense. Why would even the most twisted mined ever think, "Gee, I sure don't want to get risk getting caught looking at illegal porn, I guess I'll have to just molest someone instead." Why would anyone fucked up enough to go out and molest someone be bothered by child pornography laws?[/QUOTE]
Are you daft? You think that the pedo who abducts and molests a child is thinking straight by that time? The people who get that far aren't controlling themselves by then. They don't [I]choose[/I] between having a wank and banging a child. They hold themselves back and end up snapping, going for the child.
If you let them legally and shamelessly get their hands on something that works as good relief, at least a percentage of them will never get to the stage of desperation to go for a child.
eughh
[QUOTE=butters757;34666933]Just to make things clear, this isn't with real child porn. It's with "artificial" child porn, like lolicon.[/QUOTE]
Well, I think the effect is the same whether we talk about actual child porn or "artificial" child porn, it's just that the artificial kind might be preferable to use rather than the real thing.
I think both should be legal to possess, but the real thing should definitely not be legal to produce, as it involves child molestation.
And I don't think this whole thing is news at all, it was published in 2010 and I think it is based on this: [url]http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/1961to1999/1999-effects-of-pornography.html[/url]
If I'm reading the article correctly, they're talking about the hentai stuff with little kids in them, not actual child porn.
The really daft thing would be to arrest people for looking at drawn images.
lolicon is still weird and unpleasent
[QUOTE=Rankxerox;34667747]lolicon is still weird and unpleasent[/QUOTE]
Less fucked up than guro, if you ask me.
I came here hoping for cp
I am disappointed
[sp]jk[/sp]
[editline]12th February 2012[/editline]
I came here hoping for cp
I am disappointed
[sp]jk[/sp]
[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;34667319]But...but...this is still just so [I]wrong.[/I] :tizzy:[/QUOTE]
[I][B]Why?[/B][/I]
Just because kids are involved in the production of CP doesn't mean they're being molested or anything. If someone can't sign a consent form with full knowledge of the possible implications of their actions simply they're younger than everyone else - something that is literally physically impossible to change, mind you - I have to wonder how we ever got past having discrimatory governments.
[QUOTE=davethestoner;34667504]i don't think they're very willing to let the child pose for soft core porn.[/QUOTE]
Obviously yes.
There's no "right" way to do it. Even if the child is willing, it's because it's parents corrupted it's mind. In short it's fucked up to expect children to pose willingly.
But that doesn't mean it's not better for the situation we are in now.
Say they make and regulate soft porn and parents force their children to pose naked, it's hell of a lot better than people raping children for hardcore child porn or even just at random somewhere in a park.
Our western standards don't allow us to find a solution. Our morals prevent it. So instead of not dealing with it, i'd rather have some countries experiment with scenarios that could improve the situation.
[QUOTE=comiceater;34667467]yeah my brother every wanted to watch some kids beig f*cked by others guys in movies and he still hope that will be real...my family is sick[/QUOTE]
Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
want to know what else reduces the abuse of children, locking away teh scum forever behind bars
[QUOTE=sami-pso;34667834]Obviously yes.
There's no "right" way to do it. Even if the child is willing, it's because it's parents corrupted it's mind. In short it's fucked up to expect children to pose willingly.
But that doesn't mean it's not better for the situation we are in now.
Say they make and regulate soft porn and parents force their children to pose naked, it's hell of a lot better than people raping children for hardcore child porn or even just at random somewhere in a park.
Our western standards don't allow us to find a solution. Our morals prevent it. So instead of not dealing with it, i'd rather have some countries experiment with scenarios that could improve the situation.[/QUOTE]
It would probably be a situation like those parents that want their kid to be the next child star/superstar/model and hire their little "angels" out to some modeling firm. Then the agent says you gotta do what you gotta do to make it big and suddenly your kid is a child porn star.
[editline]12th February 2012[/editline]
Except they would call it "modeling" since I doubt actual child PORN would ever be legal.
[QUOTE=sami-pso;34667834]
Say they make and regulate soft porn and parents force their children to pose naked, it's hell of a lot better than people raping children for hardcore child porn or even just at random somewhere in a park.[/QUOTE]what the fuck? it's nowhere near better, they're both fucking awful things that should never happen, of course they do happen but making one of these terrible things legal is horrible.
they're not alternative to each other, people who look at child porn can still molest kids, people who molest kids can still look at child pornagraphy. why would anyone want to proliferate the ability to look at that shit?
seriously? i thought all this pedo defending was only on reddit but it's here now too?
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