Another Shot on Target: Long Gun Registry Shot Down 159-130 - Polidicks

[url]http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/02/15/pol-gun-registry.html[/url] [quote=CBC]Two NDP MPs broke party ranks to vote with the government Wednesday night in the final House of Commons vote in favour of scrapping the long-gun registry. Bruce Hyer, MP for Thunder Bay-Superior North, and John Rafferty, MP for Thunder Bay-Rainy River, voted with the Conservative Party on a bill that will end the long-gun registration requirement. Bill C-19 passed 159 to 130 and now goes to the Senate for another round of votes and committee hearings. Rafferty and Hyer broke party ranks during a vote on the bill in November and were disciplined by interim leader Nycole Turmel at the time. Turmel said Wednesday following a caucus meeting that "there will be consequences" again for any MPs who don't vote with their party. She said the NDP has always been against abolishing the registry. She would not, however, commit to bringing it back if the NDP forms government in the next election. Turmel said the NDP will have a new leader after the March 24 convention. "This will be discussed with the new leader and then the decision will be made," Turmel said. She encouraged the Quebec government to "move fast" to do what it can to maintain the data in the registry. Quebec's government wants to maintain its own registry once the federally managed one is gone and has threatened legal action.[/quote] The article mainly focuses on the fact that 2 NDP MPs broke ranks and supported C-19, but this'll see no trouble from Senate and likely no trouble from the GG, this'll be law by mid-March. Another nail in the coffin of the wasteful and ineffective gun registry.

[quote]She said the NDP has always been against abolishing the registry. She would not, however, commit to bringing it back if the NDP forms government in the next election.[/quote] They also let their MPs vote however they wished, shows a lot of integrity on the part of the NDP in my opinion. I'm surprised Niki Ashton wasn't one of the NDP members voting for abolishing it, I live just outside of her riding and she has always mentioned concerns about it. It's still incredibly hypocritical that the Conservatives feel this is a violation of our privacy rights but are entirely willing to throw out the Charter when it comes to the internet

[QUOTE=Zeke129;34717059] It's still incredibly hypocritical that the Conservatives feel this is a violation of our privacy rights but are entirely willing to throw out the Charter when it comes to the internet[/QUOTE] People on Canadian gun forums actually think the same way, funny enough, and they're some of the Tories' largest supporters, if anyone can make them see reason, it's their largest supporters. [QUOTE=Zeke129;34717059]They also let their MPs vote however they wished, shows a lot of integrity on the part of the NDP in my opinion. I'm surprised Niki Ashton wasn't one of the NDP members voting for abolishing it, I live just outside of her riding and she has always mentioned concerns about it.[/quote] That, and if you read, [quote]Turmel said Wednesday following a caucus meeting that "there will be consequences" again for any MPs who don't vote with their party.[/quote] Apparently they don't for this issue. I wonder what's going to happen to those 2.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;34717136] Apparently they don't for this issue. I wonder what's going to happen to those 2.[/QUOTE] Since Turmel is only an interim leader can she even make calls like that?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;34717379]Since Turmel is only an interim leader can she even make calls like that?[/QUOTE] I think that's why she noted; [quote]"This will be discussed with the new leader and then the decision will be made,"[/quote] But I'm not sure. She may, she may not, I'm not sure if an "interim" leader has the same powers in that respect as a "true" leader.

Oh no, Canada's going to turn into Somalia now.

Gun registries are useless. If someone wants something that badly they are going to get it anyway one way or another.

A gun registry would only work if it was instituted before the invention of guns and then continually maintained but you can't make a registry functional when the country is already full of them. The RCMP couldn't come up with any reason to keep a broken registry so there's no use in keeping it. Something like 98% of gun crime was committed with unregistered weapons. The RCMP also can't come up with any reason for the new crime bill so let's get some consistency in your party okay Harper

[QUOTE=Zeke129;34718753]A gun registry would only work if it was instituted before the invention of guns and then continually maintained[/quote] I disagree because [QUOTE=Zeke129;34718753]Something like 98% of gun crime was committed with unregistered weapons.[/QUOTE] a gigantic percentage of them were stolen, once guns are stolen and circulated on the black market it is no longer tracked by a registry.

[QUOTE=s0beit;34728305]I disagree because a gigantic percentage of them were stolen, once guns are stolen and circulated on the black market it is no longer tracked by a registry.[/QUOTE] I doubt a "gigantic" percentage were stolen, if I remember it's something like 20-30% at the most, most are committed with guns that have never been registered in the country, likely being smuggled in from the US, which is also not tracked by a registry.