[QUOTE]the vehicle is an interesting concept aimed for short-radius urban distribution. It is equipped with a massive 212 kWh battery pack, which can allow up to ~125 miles (200 km) of range with a capacity of 26 tonnes, according to the company.
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Daimler credits lower battery costs as an important factor making its electric truck technology possible. The company expects the cost of batteries to fall down to 200 Euro/kWh ($220 USD) by 2025. In comparison, Tesla sees a path for its battery cost to fall below $100/kWh by 2020, once its Gigafactory is completed.
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Damn that battery could power a house for a week or something.
A step in the right direction but I am wondering who would use it, since commercial truckers need the long range provided by massive diesel tanks.
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The article claims local distribution, but who hauls that much stuff over such a short distance? Intercity transport?
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50784437]A step in the right direction but I am wondering who would use it, since commercial truckers need the long range provided by massive diesel tanks.
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The article claims local distribution, but who hauls that much stuff over such a short distance? Intercity transport?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, local transport. I can see this being useful here in SF bay since a truck can pick something up at one of our many ports then move it to a shipping center. There's always construction going on in SF so one of these would be great for moving materials around the city.
It has the range to get a shipment at a port in Oakland or SF then move it to the large shipping center in Sunnyvale I usually get my packages in Fremont from.
There are a lot of restaurants in SF, one of these could make multiple deliveries of food in a single day
[QUOTE=Dr.C;50784500]Yeah, local transport. I can see this being useful here in SF bay since a truck can pick something up at one of our many ports then move it to a shipping center. There's always construction going on in SF so one of these would be great for moving materials around the city.
It has the range to get a shipment at a port in Oakland or SF then move it to a large shipping center in Sunnyvale I usually get my packages in Fremont from.
There are a lot of restaurants in SF, one of these could make multiple deliveries of food in a single day[/QUOTE]
I thought that the trucks in shipping were always in use and there wouldn't be time to charge. I guess having multiple trucks to use while the others charge would resolve this issue.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50784521]I thought that the trucks in shipping were always in use and there wouldn't be time to charge. I guess having multiple trucks to use while the others charge would resolve this issue.[/QUOTE]
I don't know how far an sf based truck travels while in SF but I assume that most of the time is spent loading and unloading(which uses minimal power since it's not moving) and crawling slowly through traffic so it'll just charge overnight
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50784521]I thought that the trucks in shipping were always in use and there wouldn't be time to charge. I guess having multiple trucks to use while the others charge would resolve this issue.[/QUOTE]
Delivery trucks used for that kind of thing (at least here in LA ) only leave to deliver stuff at early-as-shit-oclock in the morning and then they sit in the bays the rest of the day
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50784437]A step in the right direction but I am wondering who would use it, since commercial truckers need the long range provided by massive diesel tanks.
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The article claims local distribution, but who hauls that much stuff over such a short distance? Intercity transport?[/QUOTE]
I can also see them being used as "mules". They had what were basically bare-bones tractors designed to shuffle milk trailers around the yard where I used to work, so a mechanically simpler, electric-powered option might be better-suited for this role.
Why aren't people using trains instead? With one train you can take at least a hundred semi trucks off the road and free up congestion. Sure, you're gonna put some truckers out of work but who gives a shit, truckers are always late anyway.
Also what the fuck is with that paintjob, it looks like some skate shoe from 2008.
[QUOTE=gnampf;50784677]Why aren't people using trains instead? With one train you can take at least a hundred semi trucks off the road and free up congestion. Sure, you're gonna put some truckers out of work but who gives a shit, truckers are always late anyway.
Also what the fuck is with that paintjob, it looks like some skate shoe from 2008.[/QUOTE]
You know that trains are still used a well right
Companies have always and will always use the cheapest options available. If trains are being under-utilized, then for some reason they're too expensive in comparison to trucks.
Really primary train transport with these doing the haul from train to destination wouldn't be a bad use for them.
[QUOTE=gnampf;50784677]Also what the fuck is with that paintjob, it looks like some skate shoe from 2008.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://gizmodo.com/how-automakers-use-a-wwi-era-camo-technique-to-disguise-1647618861]Dazzle camouflage for prototypes.[/url]
[QUOTE=gnampf;50784677]Why aren't people using trains instead? With one train you can take at least a hundred semi trucks off the road and free up congestion. Sure, you're gonna put some truckers out of work but who gives a shit, truckers are always late anyway.
Also what the fuck is with that paintjob, it looks like some skate shoe from 2008.[/QUOTE]
You can't build a rail network in an already established urban area(like SF). These trucks can already use existing roads.
Also if these trucks got some bonus like they're exempt from parking tickets(no space to park in SF so trucks just put on their hazards and unload in the middle of the street and take the ticket) they'll be adopted instantly
Damn, I was hoping for an electric pickup. I want an electric pickup.
[QUOTE=Dr.C;50784821]You can't build a rail network in an already established urban area(like SF). These trucks can already use existing roads.[/QUOTE]
I thought the article was talking about like actual semi trucks that haul shit from city to city like what the picture implied. I've never really seen any semi trucks lug their way down the middle of any cities I've lived in like DC or Orlando.
I can see smaller electric trucks working in an urban area like that, but if you're gonna move some stuff from Los Angeles to Chicago, just use a train. Then when the train gets to a switchyard, just move the product to a truck and get it to it's specific destination. There's no logical need for one truck to deliver one trailer to a city when you can put that same trailer and at least a hundred others on a single train going the same way.
[QUOTE=gnampf;50784677]Why aren't people using trains instead? With one train you can take at least a hundred semi trucks off the road and free up congestion. Sure, you're gonna put some truckers out of work but who gives a shit, truckers are always late anyway.
Also what the fuck is with that paintjob, it looks like some skate shoe from 2008.[/QUOTE]
and how, pray tell, do you think the freight gets from the train to the store? Do you think the store stocking crews drive down to the trainyard in their personal cars? Does it get there by teleportation? The Force? Do we just build train tracks to every single store so freight trains can make their deliveries?
Think for a second before spewing ignorant, uneducated, ill-informed bullshit. Trucks are [b]necessary[/b]. If anything we are in their way with our single-occupant sedans and such. You can't simply 'durr delete hundred trucks with one train', because there's no other way to get the goods to and from the train itself.
Currently, a coast-to-coast freight shipment goes:
China --> Port of LA --> Truck --> Trainyard in LA somewhere --> major trainyard in destination state --> truck --> final destination.
[QUOTE=TestECull;50784879]China --> Port of LA --> Truck --> Trainyard in LA somewhere --> major trainyard in destination state --> truck --> final destination.[/QUOTE]
You're 100% correct, but the Port of Long Beach has a train depot on site. :eng101:
(though those little robotic trucks that move containers from ship to train still count as electric trucks, I guess)
[img]http://i.imgur.com/qGBOZkv.png[/img]
All that white space can only be serviced by trucks.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50784521]I thought that the trucks in shipping were always in use and there wouldn't be time to charge. I guess having multiple trucks to use while the others charge would resolve this issue.[/QUOTE]
thats really only long haul companies, there are plenty of short and medium haul loads that the trucks are only in use 12 hours a day, plus this kind of system could be adapted to tons of other types of trucks like panel trucks that are only used half the day
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[QUOTE=OvB;50784921]You're 100% correct, but the Port of Long Beach has a train depot on site. :eng101:
(though those little robotic trucks that move containers from ship to train still count as electric trucks, I guess)
[img]http://i.imgur.com/qGBOZkv.png[/img]
All that white space can only be serviced by trucks.[/QUOTE]
a lot of that white space in the west is empty land anyways.
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[QUOTE=phygon;50784687]You know that trains are still used a well right
Companies have always and will always use the cheapest options available. If trains are being under-utilized, then for some reason they're too expensive in comparison to trucks.[/QUOTE]
a lot of large companies and retail chains (amazon, walmart, ect) will use trucks for their distribution system because its infeasable to ship between major hubs by train. The train network is basically the highway system, inflexible, regulated and very high capacity, but not practical for corporate logistics
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50784437]A step in the right direction but I am wondering who would use it, since commercial truckers need the long range provided by massive diesel tanks.
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Construction sites
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50784437]A step in the right direction but I am wondering who would use it, since commercial truckers need the long range provided by massive diesel tanks.
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The article claims local distribution, but who hauls that much stuff over such a short distance? Intercity transport?[/QUOTE]City distribution works very differently in Europe than in USA, here we have big trucks delivering the goods to terminals located around the cities, then the small trucks take over, both because of length & weigth restrictions in the inner city, but also because a lot of the cargo intakes in the cities are located in garages that require smaller trucks.
[QUOTE=gnampf;50784677]Why aren't people using trains instead? With one train you can take at least a hundred semi trucks off the road and free up congestion. Sure, you're gonna put some truckers out of work but who gives a shit, truckers are always late anyway.
[/QUOTE]Atleast here in Sweden, the cargo trains are running at full capacity already, they load the same trailers the trucks are pulling on traincarts or they use solutions like shipping containers, but a lot of the cargo gets put on the road anyway because the trains are usually late and sensetive cargo, like food is better to keep rolling.
Not really seeing the practicality of this outside of shipping yards. Hybrid systems on stuff like garbage trucks make a lot of sense since they do ridiculous amounts of stop and go, but the range on something like this is still too limited for that.
It's nowhere near effective enough yet for any sort of OTR trucking.
Also, Scania has a truck running on electric wires, like trains and trolleys do, in Sweden, I think this will be the more common solution to longer hauls, or you drive by the electric highway, then exit it to make a stop to deliver some goods and switch to a combustion engine or run on batteries, and then back to the electric highway to recharge.
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[QUOTE=gnampf;50784677]Why aren't people using trains instead? With one train you can take at least a hundred semi trucks off the road and free up congestion. Sure, you're gonna put some truckers out of work but who gives a shit, truckers are always late anyway.
Also what the fuck is with that paintjob, it looks like some skate shoe from 2008.[/QUOTE]
The paint job is basically dazzle-camouflage. Car/truck manufacturers always use those patterns on their prototypes. It makes it hard to distinguish the shape of the vehicle.
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is this the electric vehicles big break?
My question is how long will it take to charge. I mean this is cool but I feel like if charge time is long then you'll have a small fleet of trucks that just sit there unused charging. Unless they have something like the battery swap like the tesla does then it could be a small bottleneck.
[QUOTE=Skusty;50785740]Also, Scania has a truck running on electric wires, like trains and trolleys do, in Sweden, I think this will be the more common solution to longer hauls, or you drive by the electric highway, then exit it to make a stop to deliver some goods and switch to a combustion engine or run on batteries, and then back to the electric highway to recharge.
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This sort of tech relies on major infrastructure changes. Very high costs to install, let alone maintain, and the vehicles aren't on a track like trains/trolleys.
There's a reason why you never see it outside of tech demos, despite several companies having working proof of concepts built.
[QUOTE=PN_Redux;50787303]My question is how long will it take to charge. I mean this is cool but I feel like if charge time is long then you'll have a small fleet of trucks that just sit there unused charging. Unless they have something like the battery swap like the tesla does then it could be a small bottleneck.[/QUOTE]
These only have 100kW CCS, so take in less power than Tesla's sedans.
I feel like a box truck [thumb]http://littlestreamrentals.com/img/white_box_truck.jpeg[/thumb] would benefit more from EV technology.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50784437]A step in the right direction but I am wondering who would use it, since commercial truckers need the long range provided by massive diesel tanks.
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bond villain.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;50787415]This sort of tech relies on major infrastructure changes. Very high costs to install, let alone maintain, and the vehicles aren't on a track like trains/trolleys.
There's a reason why you never see it outside of tech demos, despite several companies having working proof of concepts built.[/QUOTE]
There are [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolleybus]trolleybusses[/url] in a lot of european cities that work similair to this, also you got to start somewhere to try new ideas.
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