Loopholes in the Laws of Physics: Can Time Crystals Actually Exist? Turns out yes, yes they can.
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IN BRIEF
First proposed as an idea in 2012, space-time crystals are believed to exist in ways that break a fundamental symmetry of physics. Researchers from the University of California, Santa Barbara may have found a way to put the theory into reality.
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A time crystal is, essentially, an object that appears to have movement while remaining at its lowest energy state (ground state). When theoretical physicist and Nobel laureate Frank Wilczek introduced the idea in 2012, most physicists believed that was impossible.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Their proposed solution was to build a simulation demonstrating how spontaneously broken time-translation symmetry was possible, through a quantum system called “Floquet-many-body-localize drive systems”.[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://arxiv.org/abs/1609.08684"]Paper on the Observation of a Discrete Time Crystal - Quantum Physics[/URL] Newest paper on the creation and observation of a time crystal.
But what does it all mean, bazzle?
If there's any thing they possibly could have named them to trigger the sensationalist news media, it's fucking "time crystals"
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;51193041]If there's any thing they possibly could have named them to trigger the sensationalist news media, it's fucking "time crystals"[/QUOTE]
"scientists prove existence of new form of meth: time crystals, more at 11"
also, stop making the world make no sense quantum physics!
[QUOTE=Sableye;51193071]"scientists prove existence of new form of meth: time crystals, more at 11"
also, stop making the world make no sense quantum physics![/QUOTE]
when you take them, will they slow time down or speed it up? or will they just make you become old and die or become a baby again? all this and much more needs to be answered
I read the article and I'm still pretty unsure what these things are.
:johnnymo1:
Also obligatory :johnnymo1:
Damn beaten to it
I tried to read it and all I could decipher is that they got the ions to change without have more energy? .....
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We've said His name thrice already. He'll come.
[QUOTE=EuSKalduna;51193103]We've said His name thrice already. He'll come.[/QUOTE]
The quantum ritual has been complete. Now we wait.
Dr.Cortex was right all along.
[QUOTE]A time crystal is, essentially, an object that appears to [B]have movement while remaining at its lowest energy state (ground state)[/B]. [/QUOTE]
So, Stargate's Zero Point Modules?
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As I'm understanding it they have a collection of ions super cooled and they were able to form a symmetric structure rather than an asymmetric one. At a ground state they would be expected to not have this symmetry. Summaries I've seen go way more in depth.
There is no loophole, their research proves that it should work under the laws of physics.
hopefully this research helps facilitate the development of timesplitters 2: remastered
Can I charge them by JO'ing with a bro
:johnnymo1:
Speaking strictly as a layman, can we use them to power time machines
Ok so can we get some inspiration for Time Splitters 4
[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;51193116]As I'm understanding it they have a collection of ions super cooled and they were able to form a symmetric structure rather than an asymmetric one. At a ground state they would be expected to not have this symmetry. Summaries I've seen go way more in depth.[/QUOTE]
That..almost sounds like some sort of Bose-Einstein Condensate?
Like where atoms are cooled to a point where they are at ground state, and since a large volume of them are in the ground state, quantum effects become apparent at the macro scale.
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;51193041]If there's any thing they possibly could have named them to trigger the sensationalist news media, it's fucking "time crystals"[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]A prime example is the breaking of spatial translation symmetry, which underlies the formation of crystals and the phase transition from liquid to solid. Analogous to crystals in space, the breaking of translation symmetry in time and the emergence of a "time crystal" was recently proposed, but later shown to be forbidden in thermal equilibrium. [/QUOTE]
The name wasn't chosen at random however.
[QUOTE=Popularvote;51193193]Speaking strictly as a layman, can we use them to power time machines[/QUOTE]
I don't really get them myself but from what I do understand of them it sounds like they have absolutely nothing to do with traveling through time. It kinda sounds more like they're something that would always be moving while not expending energy to do so, though I'm pretty sure that would violate some of the laws of physics.
It's time to split!
ArXiv is for pre-print journals which means generally that the journal hasn't been published, nor that it has had scrutinous peer review.
Take anything this somewhat sensationalist article is espousing with a side of salt.
I'll just refresh this thread every half hour until JohnnyMo1 replies
[QUOTE=Bradyns;51193250]ArXiv is for pre-print journals which means generally that the journal hasn't been published, nor that it has had scrutinous peer review.
Take anything this somewhat sensationalist article is espousing with a side of salt.[/QUOTE]
[B]-snip, was fixed-[/B]
[QUOTE=Map in a box;51193118]There is no loophole, their research proves that it should work under the laws of physics.[/QUOTE]
Indeed, it's just that we didn't understand the laws fully. Nothing violates the laws of physics, we just don't understand physics well enough to see exactly how it all works.
[QUOTE=Bradyns;51193250]ArXiv is for pre-print journals which means generally that the journal hasn't been published, nor that it has had scrutinous peer review.
Take anything this somewhat sensationalist article is espousing with a side of salt.[/QUOTE]
Is this likely to get peer reviewed at some point like it's on a waiting list, or is this the final stop for this type of article?
Real TimeSplitters when? We'll need Terry Crews to be our Cortez.
For everyone not understanding what this means / wants to get past the sensationalist name (which actually isn't that sensationalist):
short:
[quote] The difference between an ordinary crystal and a time-crystal is that when an ordinary crystal is brought to it's ground state, its atomic structure becomes asymmetrical, but when a time-crystal is brought to its ground-state, its atomic structure stays symmetrical (from the atoms moving) even though there is absolutely no energy present.
The atoms still move over a repeating period of time rather than a repeating period of space. Put even more simply, the atoms of a time-crystal are influenced (moved) by time, the atoms of an ordinary crystal are influenced (moved) by physical energy.[/quote]
Long:
[quote]Time crystals are a series of atoms (Ytterbium atoms, specifically) arranged in a circle. These atoms are held in place by a magnetic field, and are kept at very cold temperatures to make sure nothing interferes with them.
The atoms are all negatively charged, meaning they all have one extra electron than they normally would like to have.
To fully understand time crystals, you must know a bit about electrons. Electrons have a property called "spin". Spin just describes how an electron likes to orbit around the nucleus of an atom. A fundamental understanding would be thinking about this like how earth orbits the sun, but also rotates on it's axis at the same time. So, in the way the earth orbits the sun so do electrons orbit the nucleus of an atom. The way that they "rotate" on their axis is their spin. There are two types of spin: up and down.
**(This is of course not exactly how spin works, but is good for a fundamental understanding)
Now, remember that we have a circle of atoms in a nice, stable environment, all given an extra electron. A laser is then used to make the extra electron of each atom spin either up or down. The researchers "spun" the atoms in alternating order, with the idea that this would create a never-ending cycle of spin oscillations. One atom would cause the next to change direction of it's spin, and so on and so on forever.
What was discovered was that the rate of spin oscillation (flipping from up to down) took twice as long as expected. This is considered the proof that the crystal was affected by time.
Practical benefits to humanity are pretty much for computing. We can use these up/down spins instead of transistors (on/ off electrical charges) in modern microprocessors. Could be a pretty significant boost to performance.[/quote]
[editline]12th October 2016[/editline]
And no, this doesn't break thermodynamics.
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