• Nokia Android Phone Was in the Works
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[URL]http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/13/behind-microsoft-deal-the-specter-of-a-nokia-android-phone/?_r=0[/URL] [quote]A team within Nokia had Android up and running on the company’s Lumia handsets well before Microsoft and Nokia began negotiating Microsoft’s $7.2 billion acquisition of Nokia’s mobile phone and services business, according to two people briefed on the effort who declined to be identified because the project was confidential. [B]Microsoft executives were aware of the existence of the project[/B], these people said. [B]Another person said the idea of Nokia using Android wasn’t a part of Microsoft’s discussions with the company about an acquisition, even though that was widely recognized as a possibility. [/B] [/quote]
It's sad how many Nokia projects were shelved after they began their cooperation with Microsoft...
Damn, a Lumia with android would have been awesome.
Honestly I'm glad they went with exclusivity to Windows Phone because in all likelihood without Nokia WP would be even more underdeveloped and very stagnant in adoption, instead of growing. I really like WP more than android an iOS as a phone, but it just had these niggling issues with it here and there that prevented it from really solid all around. Even since the beginning of this year, a ton of stuff was improved and added to the OS and I'm positive that without Nokia on board we'd still be with an OS that is more like WP7.5 in features, apps and adoption rates rather than what we have today with WP8. Especially since Nokia's support of the platform has been killer. Their mapping service is excellent, on a monthly/bi-monthly basis they constantly add new features to the OS like glance, and they really seem to be dedicated to providing the best hardware and innovation they possibly can to the smartphone market. There's still a ways to go (such as notification center [live tiles make not having one not a big deal, but it would still be better to have one], killing apps, etc) but if any of the leaks of the stuff Nokia/MS are working on are making headway we should see all of that and more updated to WP by the end of the year. Nokia was the best thing that happened to WP, and without it WP would have become Zune by this point.
Nokia could still port their apps to iOS and Android, I doubt Microsoft would try to stop that from happening seeing as you can get Hotmail, the late MSN and Skype on those platforms
Congratulations Elop.
Windows Phone is better than Android anyway. The only flaw WP has is that it has much less apps than Android and iOS
I find it funny how despite always having top notch hardware, Nokia couldn't ever supply it with a good software as well, and now it seems like something that will stay that way.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;42192626]I find it funny how despite always having top notch hardware, Nokia couldn't ever supply it with a good software as well, and now it seems like something that will stay that way.[/QUOTE] Windows is great software, I don't know what you're talking about. I prefer it greatly over android.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;42192626]I find it funny how despite always having top notch hardware, Nokia couldn't ever supply it with a good software as well, and now it seems like something that will stay that way.[/QUOTE] I don't know, Nokia's dumbphones were always great and Maemo 5 and Meego were both pretty good OSs. Symbian^3 wasn't ever that bad after belle, and it had stuff (like true multitasking) before Android and iOS. I think Nokia's biggest mistake with Symbian was going with a seriously underpowered SoC in the N8. Apple was launching about to launch the iPhone 4 and Nokia was selling a flagship phone with 3GS internals and a 12MP camera. [editline]14th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=redBadger;42193836]Windows is great software, I don't know what you're talking about. I prefer it greatly over android.[/QUOTE] Depends on the phone and what you want to do with it. The lower end of the spectrum is definitely a place where WP is absolutely the best choice, but in the high-end it really depends on whether you won't more or less control over your phone.
Oh man I wish they would... [img]http://i.cubeupload.com/34qGVe.jpg[/img] Damnit Nokia, you do realise I'd happily throw my 3 week old HTC One out the window and buy one of these ASAP.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;42192626]I find it funny how despite always having top notch hardware, Nokia couldn't ever supply it with a good software as well, and now it seems like something that will stay that way.[/QUOTE] I prefer WP massively over android to be honest. And WP made sense for Nokia as well, considering they were accustomed to using weaker, cheaper hardware and totally not ready for the android spec war.
I've yet to actually play around with a Windows phone, myself.
[QUOTE=Xyrec;42190972]Damn, a Lumia with android would have been awesome.[/QUOTE] Not really, having a well designed phone with a fast, lagless OS comparable to iOS and without android fragmentation was the entire idea behind Nokia teaming up with Microsoft. Nokia always has focused on quality.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;42197609]Not really, having a well designed phone with a fast, lagless OS comparable to iOS and without android fragmentation was the entire idea behind Nokia teaming up with Microsoft. Nokia always has focused on quality.[/QUOTE] If they used stock without adding junk to it it'd be lagless.
[QUOTE=KorJax;42191106]Honestly I'm glad they went with exclusivity to Windows Phone because in all likelihood without Nokia WP would be even more underdeveloped and very stagnant in adoption, instead of growing. I really like WP more than android an iOS as a phone, but it just had these niggling issues with it here and there that prevented it from really solid all around. Even since the beginning of this year, a ton of stuff was improved and added to the OS and I'm positive that without Nokia on board we'd still be with an OS that is more like WP7.5 in features, apps and adoption rates rather than what we have today with WP8. Especially since Nokia's support of the platform has been killer. Their mapping service is excellent, on a monthly/bi-monthly basis they constantly add new features to the OS like glance, and they really seem to be dedicated to providing the best hardware and innovation they possibly can to the smartphone market. There's still a ways to go (such as notification center [live tiles make not having one not a big deal, but it would still be better to have one], killing apps, etc) but if any of the leaks of the stuff Nokia/MS are working on are making headway we should see all of that and more updated to WP by the end of the year. Nokia was the best thing that happened to WP, and without it WP would have become Zune by this point.[/QUOTE] Kind of how Android was god awful when it first came on the scene.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;42197954]If they used stock without adding junk to it it'd be lagless.[/QUOTE] Well that's the problem, you'd need to something extra to make it lag less. Carriers need to fuck off with their apps and branding on devices. OEMs need to make a simple smooth and less bloated version, then decide if people want the other shit they could get it via the manufacturer's own update/"improve" hub. If I were to buy a Galaxy S4, I wouldn't want maybe over 50% of the features.
Root+AOSP ROM [editline]14th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Acid_Burn;42193910]Oh man I wish they would... [img]http://i.cubeupload.com/34qGVe.jpg[/img] Damnit Nokia, you do realise I'd happily throw my 3 week old HTC One out the window and buy one of these ASAP.[/QUOTE] That thing is Gorgeous.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;42192626]I find it funny how despite always having top notch hardware, Nokia couldn't ever supply it with a good software as well, and now it seems like something that will stay that way.[/QUOTE] Well Nokia's apps and exclusive features they add to their phones is miles ahead of any other manufacturer's bullshit they tend to add to android. Also helps that WP8 requires manufactuerers to let people uninstall whatever they want so even if you don't want Smart Camera or HERE maps (why would you ever not want those though lol) you can get rid of em. Unless you just mean "apps in general" for WP8 TBH the "Windows Phone has no apps!" argument doesn't hold a lot of water anymore. Literally the only thing I can't get for my WP that I can get for android is small/obscure apps or stuff like banking apps for my specific bank. Which is still a downside don't get me wrong, and I like that under android I pretty much know I'll have access to anything that gets released, but for my day-to-day smartphone usage WP8 does perfectly fine in the app department, and even then there are still some obscure/tiny apps that make its way onto WP8 anyways.
[QUOTE=KorJax;42191106]Honestly I'm glad they went with exclusivity to Windows Phone because in all likelihood without Nokia WP would be even more underdeveloped and very stagnant in adoption, instead of growing. I really like WP more than android an iOS as a phone, but it just had these niggling issues with it here and there that prevented it from really solid all around. Even since the beginning of this year, a ton of stuff was improved and added to the OS and I'm positive that without Nokia on board we'd still be with an OS that is more like WP7.5 in features, apps and adoption rates rather than what we have today with WP8. Especially since Nokia's support of the platform has been killer. Their mapping service is excellent, on a monthly/bi-monthly basis they constantly add new features to the OS like glance, and they really seem to be dedicated to providing the best hardware and innovation they possibly can to the smartphone market. There's still a ways to go (such as notification center [live tiles make not having one not a big deal, but it would still be better to have one], killing apps, etc) but if any of the leaks of the stuff Nokia/MS are working on are making headway we should see all of that and more updated to WP by the end of the year. Nokia was the best thing that happened to WP, and without it WP would have become Zune by this point.[/QUOTE] I agree, WP gets good support from Nokia.
[QUOTE=lavacano;42197412]I've yet to actually play around with a Windows phone, myself.[/QUOTE] I had one for about a year and a half, and while it's definitely a nice phone, it's seriously lacking. Microsoft's completely abandoned WP7 and moved on to 8. And even before that, there was a serious shortage of apps that were common place on iPhone and Android. I couldn't find a halfway decent Steam Mobile app to save my fucking life. They're nice phones, but hardly anyone develops for them now, and I personally feel Android is more versatile.
I'm thinking honestly of switching to a Nokia windows phone. I'm getting really tired of Android being a bogged down slow piece of shit.
[QUOTE=BLOODGA$M;42204151]I'm thinking honestly of switching to a Nokia windows phone. I'm getting really tired of Android being a bogged down slow piece of shit.[/QUOTE] Even my 2 year old WP7.8 device is smoother than most Android devices, but personally I'd probably play the waiting game till the next-gen devices come around.
Most people see the title as Nokia testing if Android was possible for them. But for me, having lived the vast majority of my life next to a Nokia factory, the title reads more like "drowning man desperately gasps for air". That company died the moment Microsoft got their trojan horse in.
[QUOTE=nikomo;42204361]Most people see the title as Nokia testing if Android was possible for them. But for me, having lived the vast majority of my life next to a Nokia factory, the title reads more like "drowning man desperately gasps for air". That company died the moment Microsoft got their trojan horse in.[/QUOTE] It's like it got thrown a life raft with cinderblocks tied to it.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;42197954]If they used stock without adding junk to it it'd be lagless.[/QUOTE] no, both iOS and Windows Phone have console-like optimization that can't happen on Android. It's really low level stuff here
[QUOTE=The Baconator;42206715]no, both iOS and Windows Phone have console-like optimization that can't happen on Android. It's really low level stuff here[/QUOTE] It can you numbnut. Problem is that the manufacturers are lazy about it except on their topmodels. And then they still load up their manufacturer bloat. Hence why Nexus devices have gotten so popular, since it's neither bloated nor horribly unoptimized. But no sd-card slot :(
[QUOTE=BLOODGA$M;42204151]I'm thinking honestly of switching to a Nokia windows phone. I'm getting really tired of Android being a bogged down slow piece of shit.[/QUOTE] I'd wait until early next year at least when the next major OS update hits I mean its really good right now IMO, but it'll just be more polished on the next major update and have things that we've sorely been missing from the OS (rotation lock, independant volume for ringers/music/etc, a proper notification center instead of just relying on live tiles, etc). You could always get one now though since all current wp8 devices will get the update too.
Seeing you guys talking positive stuff about Android makes me wonder if I've been contemplated with a different OS because my phone fucking sucks
[QUOTE=Van-man;42206770]It can you numbnut. Problem is that the manufacturers are lazy about it except on their topmodels. And then they still load up their manufacturer bloat. Hence why Nexus devices have gotten so popular, since it's neither bloated nor horribly unoptimized. But no sd-card slot :([/QUOTE] Except no, you can't do those sort of optimizations even remotely as well as controlled ecosystems because of hardware variability making that sort of low level stuff impossible. As if low level is a term that should ever applied to an OS done in Java to begin with. And Nexus devices aren't popular. People in the tweaker/modder Android crowd are so out of touch with reality and the actual market, they actually think that Android phones outside of Samsung and to a much smaller extent HTC devices are doing well. The Nexus 4 sold around 3 million devices over its lifetime. Apple had 2 million iPhone 5 orders on launch day, and 5 million in 3 days. It was not popular overall, just with niche Android users who actually know what stock Android is. They sold around 7 million Nexus 7s over the course of its lifetime for the 2012 model. That's a lot better than the Nexus 4. But in contrast, Apple sold 10 million iPad Minis in just November and December of 2012. And well, I don't really need to mention the Nexus 10 which is an admitted failure even by Android users. But as of April it was sitting around 700K which is 1/4th the number of iPad 4s Apple sold in 2 days. These same comparisons can be made to Samsung Galaxy phones and tablets, Apple was just easiest to get sales numbers for, and HTC doesn't make tablets so they can only be compared to the N4. Nexus devices just aren't that popular and the idea that they are is just a falsehood invented by the niche Android community that thinks they're larger than they actually are. The only reason the sales of nexus devices in general have increased at all is because of price, and because they used to have one phone and now they have 2 tablets and a phone. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_7_(2012_version)]Citations[/url] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_4]for[/url] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPad_(4th_generation)]sales[/url] [url=http://ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2013/4/17/nexus-tablet-sales-not-many]figures.[/url]
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